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[Nilfalasiel]

berelinde wrote...

Considering that rivaled Anders kills himself if you don't do it for him, I'm not terribly optimistic, but if the choice were there, I'd do it. That said, I would prefer to use a save game generator rather than submit myself to the torture of another rivaled Anders run.

Pretty much this. If it was the only way to safely separate them, I'd bite the bullet. That being said, I'm almost more optimistic on the chances of a friended Anders. He's more stable and has more moral support from Hawke, which means there would be a firmer foundation for him to revert to once Justice was out of his system. I'm not sure a rivalled Anders would still have the physical and psychological strength to maintain normalcy after the separation. Especially if everyone but Varric hates his guts.

When I did my rivalry run, the ending had just been repaired. Prior to that time, it was still broken, with rival Anders confronting Hawke in the Gallows no matter what the status of their relationship.I had allowed myself to be swayed by the opinion of players who said that rivaling Anders was the equivalent of encouraging him to "fight it," and found out the hard way that there is no fighting it. There is only madness, desperation, and ultimately death.

Gah...that must've been a rude awakening

Oddly enough, though, I only saw one Justice takeover in my rival playthrough, besides the scripted ones at the beginning, during "Dissent" and at the end. It was during the post-Karl convo where you can first flirt with him. And that was it. In retrospect, I found it rather surprising. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Hawke flat-out refused to help him sneak into the chantry during "Justice"? Does the takeover happen after that?

Also, Anders' pre-execution dialogue sounded very similar to his friended one. No hoping that Justice would rise from his corpse and so on. Again though, maybe that's due to him not being romanced.

All in all, it amounted to Anders seeming a lot more normal, despite being rivalled. Still, I'd rather not have to do it again.

Edit: Aw, come on. Two ToPs in a row? Well, have some Deep Roads Anders:

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 10 octobre 2012 - 10:31 .

[Alessa]

He's looking so sad....

[Alessa]

Those glittery, teary eyes....

Modifié par Alessa-00, 10 octobre 2012 - 11:19 .

[Nilfalasiel]

*huggles Anders*

Alessa-00 wrote...

He's looking so sad....

Heh, that's actually his serious face. About 5 seconds later, he looked like this:



(This is while explaining that Carver would have to become a Warden.)

[Gyrefalcon]

Good grief. Was Anders default look that of a kicked puppy whenever you turned around? Or was this the joy of being back in the Deep Roads and all the unhappy memories thereof?

[berelinde]

Nilfalasiel wrote...


Oddly enough, though, I only saw one Justice takeover in my rival playthrough, besides the scripted ones at the beginning, during "Dissent" and at the end. It was during the post-Karl convo where you can first flirt with him. And that was it. In retrospect, I found it rather surprising. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Hawke flat-out refused to help him sneak into the chantry during "Justice"? Does the takeover happen after that?

Also, Anders' pre-execution dialogue sounded very similar to his friended one. No hoping that Justice would rise from his corpse and so on. Again though, maybe that's due to him not being romanced.

All in all, it amounted to Anders seeming a lot more normal, despite being rivalled. Still, I'd rather not have to do it again.

You never got the other loss-of-control moment because you refused to help him complete Justice. That's also the reason you never got the altered dialogue at the end. If you spared him via a special "star" dialogue option and made him accompany you to the Gallows to help the templars exercise the Right of Annulment, you would have gotten the suicide speech.

I envy you. After that suicide speech, I reloaded the pre-Last Straw save and killed him outright because it was so much more merciful than forcing him to do it himself.

[berelinde]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

Good grief. Was Anders default look that of a kicked puppy whenever you turned around? Or was this the joy of being back in the Deep Roads and all the unhappy memories thereof?

He did spend a lot of time looking like a kicked puppy, yes. That's probably what put my sympathy gland into overdrive.

[Alessa]

berelinde wrote...

Gyrefalcon wrote...

Good grief. Was Anders default look that of a kicked puppy whenever you turned around? Or was this the joy of being back in the Deep Roads and all the unhappy memories thereof?

He did spend a lot of time looking like a kicked puppy, yes. That's probably what put my sympathy gland into overdrive.

Mine, too.... sometimes it's just too heartbreaking to look at him.

[Nilfalasiel]

berelinde wrote...

You never got the other loss-of-control moment because you refused to help him complete Justice. That's also the reason you never got the altered dialogue at the end.

 
Ah ok, figured as much. It's probably for the best too.

If you spared him via a special "star" dialogue option and made him accompany you to the Gallows to help the templars exercise the Right of Annulment, you would have gotten the suicide speech.

I envy you. After that suicide speech, I reloaded the pre-Last Straw save and killed him outright because it was so much more merciful than forcing him to do it himself.

There was a (short) period of time where I considered making him side with the Templars. Then I saw him sitting on that box again, and I was like "heck no; I don't care what this particular Hawke would do, this is past my tolerance threshold".

He did spend a lot of time looking like a kicked puppy, yes.

Maybe a third of my Anders screenies are him in Ser Pouts-a-lot mode. It's like looking at a yo-yo. He could be smiling, looking angry or just serious, and then bam! Puppy eyes.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:43 .

[Cantina]

I simply cannot bring myself to rival Anders, after seeing the videos, it is just too heart breaking and seems like rivlary is more like you being a mother wagging your finger in face.

More importantly after playing the  game numerous times, I have come to understand Anders more and the importance  to free mages. My character is just as determined to free mages as Anders is and to stay with him no matter what he chooses to do. My husband has a tendency to make a crack and say “You siding with the Templars this time?” Needless to say, I throw a pillow at him and give him a dirty look.

I wish the game had come across your intentions as a Mage or Templar supporter far better then what is available. Considering what it lead too, it seems I have to repeat my support for the Mages constantly and no matter how much I do it, it seems like it does not stick for very long. Maybe my character needs to wear a sign around her neck that says “F U Templars and The Chantry.” Then maybe hit them with it.

Modifié par Cantina, 10 octobre 2012 - 04:58 .

[smallwhippet]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Maybe a third of my Anders screenies are him in Ser Pouts-a-lot mode. It's like looking at a yo-yo. He could be smiling, looking angry or just serious, and then bam! Puppy eyes.

It think that, of all the companions, he has probably the most expressive face. The animators did a really fantastic job with him.
The post-dissent scene, for example, where he's sorting through his trunk, is almost too painful: the teariness and the worry-lines! 

Edit: and Adam Howden's voice-acting is also fantastically heart-rending at times - one of the reasons why I prefer him in the role. Oh, the pain!

Modifié par smallwhippet, 10 octobre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Gyrefalcon]

smallwhippet wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Maybe a third of my Anders screenies are him in Ser Pouts-a-lot mode. It's like looking at a yo-yo. He could be smiling, looking angry or just serious, and then bam! Puppy eyes.

It think that, of all the companions, he has probably the most expressive face. The animators did a really fantastic job with him.
The post-dissent scene, for example, where he's sorting through his trunk, is almost too painful: the teariness and the worry-lines! 

Edit: and Adam Howden's voice-acting is also fantastically heart-rending at times - one of the reasons why I prefer him in the role. Oh, the pain!

Trash, trash, keep, trash, TRASH! 

Yeah, Anders animation was really well done.  You would recognize his hands over Alistairs, his face was very expressive.  And Adam did a great job.  (As did the person who voiced Justice, kudos to him as well.)  One of my friends was sold on the game by Isabella-because of her crows feet!  A lot of games have all the characters be kids to early 20's.  Here we had a woman who had been married before, had her husband die, and became a pirate.  She met the Hero of Ferelden and was now in Starkhaven.  She is no spring chicken.  And they gave her some hints that showed her real age.  She was very fit, and looked good but she wasn't unbelievably young for all she had been through.

Likewise, Anders.  I like that he was skinnier and his eyes had dark circles from not having access to regular meals and sleep.  His clothing was cobbled together from his former finery in DA:  Awakenings.  (Did you notice the hints of color from his old clothes?)  And I suspected he hung out with the elves for awhile given that they are the only other ones who wear those feathery shoulder pauldrons.  So much of his life between games was written on his face and in his appearance! 

If the designers have decided he is dead, do you think there is a chance he might show up as a spirit in the Fade protecting new mages from demons?  *keeps hoping for some kind of cameo/closure*

Hey, is anyone watching Adam's blogs/posts?  We might find out early if he gets to reprise his role as Anders that way! 

Modifié par Gyrefalcon, 11 octobre 2012 - 05:06 .

[smallwhippet]

Gyrefalcon wrote...


Hey, is anyone watching Adam's blogs/posts?  We might find out early if he gets to reprise his role as Anders that way! 

Is it really sad to admit that I recently joined Twitter for that express purpose...?

(Mostly reading Gaider-tweets, though!)

[smallwhippet]

Gyrefalcon wrote...

  And I suspected he hung out with the elves for awhile given that they are the only other ones who wear those feathery shoulder pauldrons.  So much of his life between games was written on his face and in his appearance! 

If the designers have decided he is dead, do you think there is a chance he might show up as a spirit in the Fade protecting new mages from demons?  *keeps hoping for some kind of cameo/closure*

Weren't the feathery pauldrons part of the Tevinter Enchanter gear that we saw a bit (especially in the Denerim alienage) in DA:O? I think it's what Anders is wearing when he first appears in DA:A. 

Now that I come to think of it, Tevinter comes up quite a lot in connection with Anders in DA2 (Tevinter Chantry amulet discussion; dialogue with fenris about how he might like life there..). I wonder whether that would be the obvious place to find him if he does appear in DA:I (oh please, please!!). Add to that the fact that one of the supposed companions will be a Tevinter magister, and the suspicion that we haven't seen the last of Feynriel...

Food for thought?

[berelinde]

Yes, the "Tevinter robe" model in DA:O had feathery pauldrons for everyone. It seems to be one way to tell by sight if a mage is affiliated with a Circle or an apostate. Alienage mages, the apostates in the Brecilian Forest, adventurer mages, Morrigan, mercenary mages, Chasind, Tevinters, and other non-Circle mages wear feathers. Circle mages, formari, Tranquil, and DA:O apprentices out on research assignments wear Circle robes. You'd think the templars would pick up on the hint.

[smallwhippet]

berelinde wrote...

Yes, the "Tevinter robe" model in DA:O had feathery pauldrons for everyone. It seems to be one way to tell by sight if a mage is affiliated with a Circle or an apostate. Alienage mages, the apostates in the Brecilian Forest, adventurer mages, Morrigan, mercenary mages, Chasind, Tevinters, and other non-Circle mages wear feathers. Circle mages, formari, Tranquil, and DA:O apprentices out on research assignments wear Circle robes. You'd think the templars would pick up on the hint.

And there are specific apostate v circle robe models in DA2, aren't there? I particularly dislike the hideous ermine-trimmed circle-robe that Bethany or F!Hawke gets saddled with...give me the Ornate Demonic Robes anyday!

BTW long time no fic! Too much DA3-related speculation going on?

[berelinde]

I know! A lot of that is work. Also, Iain's relationship with Stefan has gone in a direction I really didn't expect and I'm having trouble writing it in a way that doesn't emasculate one and demonize the other. I think I need it as a tool to get Iain over an unhelpful preoccupation, put him and Anders on more equal footing, and give him additional perspective on the mage/templar situation and how it relates to his decision to encourage Alain to go peacefully with Karras, but if I can't get it to work, I may have to cut it.

[esper]

berelinde wrote...

Yes, the "Tevinter robe" model in DA:O had feathery pauldrons for everyone. It seems to be one way to tell by sight if a mage is affiliated with a Circle or an apostate. Alienage mages, the apostates in the Brecilian Forest, adventurer mages, Morrigan, mercenary mages, Chasind, Tevinters, and other non-Circle mages wear feathers. Circle mages, formari, Tranquil, and DA:O apprentices out on research assignments wear Circle robes. You'd think the templars would pick up on the hint.

And blood mages per da2 wear shoulderless robes. I knew Grace would use blood magic the moment I saw her in best served cold because of that

[Nilfalasiel]

smallwhippet wrote...

It think that, of all the companions, he has probably the most expressive face. The animators did a really fantastic job with him.
The post-dissent scene, for example, where he's sorting through his trunk, is almost too painful: the teariness and the worry-lines!

Oh, I don't know...Fenris has a rather varied gamut of frowns, smirks and eye-rolls too. Although it's true that, by comparison, the girls are all rather wooden-faced.

And yeah, that scene always gets me. Howden did do a great job overall. Although who knows? Maybe Ellis would've done just as well. He had a smaller emotional scale to play with in DAA, after all.

esper wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Yes, the "Tevinter robe" model in DA:O had feathery pauldrons for everyone. It seems to be one way to tell by sight if a mage is affiliated with a Circle or an apostate. Alienage mages, the apostates in the Brecilian Forest, adventurer mages, Morrigan, mercenary mages, Chasind, Tevinters, and other non-Circle mages wear feathers. Circle mages, formari, Tranquil, and DA:O apprentices out on research assignments wear Circle robes. You'd think the templars would pick up on the hint.

And blood mages per da2 wear shoulderless robes. I knew Grace would use blood magic the moment I saw her in best served cold because of that

Oo, good find, hadn't noticed that one.

As for picking up on magey hints, you'd think that simply carrying a staff would already be a clue, since they don't seem to be used for any other purpose in the DA world. But the templars in DA2 aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the set, as I'm sure we've all noticed.



QED

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 11 octobre 2012 - 01:15 .

[mmachvz]

 Hello! Iv'e been checking out this forum for awhile now, and only just decided to join in( I'm a bit shy, hehe)  I like how you guys gives a totally different insight in Anders personality! He's been my favorite character in the DA universe, great character potential, and for me, has the most interesting plot (warden + possessed, what could be more complicated!) 

Anyway, since we all agree on one thing, that is, we love Anders, I wanted to ask you guys...err a little help? I've been thinking of a project, more precisely a graphic novel with Anders as the main cast, set in Anderfels a few months after the Kirkwall incident. I have been reaserching for sometime and I'm still really confused about the place...is it like cold, harsh land like skyrim? or more like humid Spain (visigoths was in Spain right? My facts seems to be meshed up by now ), or a desert?? since in the Thedas maps, it looked like the dessert... But the people of Anderfels are caucasian, so that wouldn't make sense somehow. 

I would be very grateful if you'd help me! I've already drawn some concept arts, and I need ideas of the place in order to establish architecture, way of living, clothes and other kinks to keep the world alive.  Would post this on my DA once I start, hope ya'll like it!

[berelinde]

The Anderfels are mostly steppes. They were pretty hard hit by the Blights, and the climate is described as harsh... which makes little sense. Geographically, they are almost on the equator, so I would imagine more of an African savanah-esque environment, but it seems as if the writers were going for more of a Russian/Mongolian steppes approach. Maybe it's cold and unforgiving there because of elevation, not latitude.

[berelinde]

And welcome! It's always nice to see someone de-lurk.

[mmachvz]

Thanks! Well I'm sort researching right now and made realize that the Ander pepz could possibly be armaic? I've search images and some actually has Anders features except the hair (or wait he sometimes resembles the germans or slavics...his face is very difficult to decipher T_T) And yea, I agree with you about the savannah-african thingy, logic seems to go that way; or if Antiva is somewhat the same to italy/mediterreanean then mongolian anderfels is quite possible...Maybe Thedas rotate/position/whatever diffrently than earth....geography is making my head hurt.... But thanks berelinde, think i'll go for mongolia now. ))

[Nilfalasiel]

Welcome, de-lurker!

mmachvz wrote...

I've search images and some actually has Anders features except the hair (or wait he sometimes resembles the germans or slavics...his face is very difficult to decipher T_T)

This was also the impression I got, what with the name of the Grey Warden HQ in the Anderfels being Weisshaupt Fortress. Seems to me that they should be Germanic folk.

Too bad Anders didn't keep an accent.

[mmachvz]

I wonder if he still knows how to speak his native tongue ))