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[CuriousArtemis]

Well, "Anders" is a Scandinavian name... you see Swedish, Danish, etc. guys with that name. So I'm guessing it's Scandinavian or Germanic-like.

[berelinde]

Not surprisingly, we've talked about Anders's origin here at times. Consensus is impossible, but your guess is as good as anybody else's. One thing is certain: "Anders" is not his given name. Whether he chose it for himself or whether he received it as a nickname when, as a frightened and defiant child he was dragged to the Circle and refused to tell anybody his real name, we'll never know. From what we've seen of Anders (people from the Anderfels, not the apostate spirit healer), Anders the mage has a similar build and coloring. He may have been born and bred in Ferelden, but he seems to have at least some Ander blood.

[Nilfalasiel]

motomotogirl wrote...

Well, "Anders" is a Scandinavian name... you see Swedish, Danish, etc. guys with that name. So I'm guessing it's Scandinavian or Germanic-like.

Except it's not his real name. They probably nicknamed him "Anders" at the Circle because he came from the Anderfels. We don't actually know what his real name is.

Considering he was taken to the Circle as a teen, I'd wager he still knows some of his native language. Wiki says that "his family is from the Anderfels", which, I presume, means both his parents. In my Anders-related scribbles, he can speak German, although it's getting a tad rusty (much like my own ).

Edit: 'd

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 11 octobre 2012 - 04:21 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Yes but that's my point ... his name stems from a Scandinavian-sounding country. Plus it's not an accident that the writers named him "Anders," even if they say it's a nickname. "Anders" brings to mind Scandinavian and Germanic origins in the mind of the reader. When you name a character, it's not an accident... you are trying to tell the reader something about that character. Look at Fenris (wolf god), for example, or Alistair (upperclass British name).

[CuriousArtemis]

Heck, Morrigan = Morgana = infamous witch

[berelinde]

About the names, totally. For a fantasy setting, there are certainly a lot of real-world names. Malcolm, Bethany, Marian, Garrett, Irving, Fiona, Alistair, Duncan, Finn, Fenris, Hannah, Rowan, Ella, Otto, Hugh, etc., etc., etc. Sometimes, it may have been laziness. Other times, we're meant to make a connection.

[mmachvz]

I hope bioware would give further insight about Anderfels, before inquisition (I can't wait that long, I am so itching to get this idea done)

[mmachvz]

anyway thanks for the thought motomotogirl, i've been looking so damn hard to people that somewhat resembles his features... it would be a huge problem if the main character's face is the one I couldn't grasp on. I'll be very depressed )))))

[berelinde]

esper wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Yes, the "Tevinter robe" model in DA:O had feathery pauldrons for everyone. It seems to be one way to tell by sight if a mage is affiliated with a Circle or an apostate. Alienage mages, the apostates in the Brecilian Forest, adventurer mages, Morrigan, mercenary mages, Chasind, Tevinters, and other non-Circle mages wear feathers. Circle mages, formari, Tranquil, and DA:O apprentices out on research assignments wear Circle robes. You'd think the templars would pick up on the hint.

And blood mages per da2 wear shoulderless robes. I knew Grace would use blood magic the moment I saw her in best served cold because of that

Good catch! Who knew that mages had a dress code!

[hobbit of the shire]

I normally associate Anders with Scandinavia (because of his name and since he is supposedly blond). I can't just quite associate him with the Anderfels since he doesn't seem "exotic" enough to be from far far away. I mean, those from Rivain and Antiva are obviously different. Anders in DAO had a lot of Fereldan features (he looked a lot like Alistair). He doesn't look much like anyone in DA2, but doesn't look exotic either. His eyes, after the Steppes/Mongolia comment, yeah, I could see his eyes might be Central Asian. The rest of his features not really. If he came to the Circle as a teen, I would expect him to have an Anderfel accent, but he sounds like any Fereldan.

Speaking of his name, how come he doesn't even divulge his real name to Hawke? I thought we were close!

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 11 octobre 2012 - 10:53 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Because it's something really embarrassing, like Rupert  

[berelinde]

He may be distancing himself from his life before. The boy he was before he was taken from his family is gone. Repeating the name will not bring him back.

Or at least that's why I think Anders continues to use a name that has only become his through constant use. Kind of "This is who I am. Deal with it."

Edit: Or the writers might not have given him one. Or it's Frederick.

Modifié par berelinde, 11 octobre 2012 - 11:20 .

[Cantina]

Speaking of what Anders real name, that draws out another
thing that bothered me with Dragon Age 2.

You learn nothing new about Anders past that you have not
known already.  In Awakening, he reveals
some of that but does not go in detail and that I can understand.

However, in Dragon Age 2 your character Hawke has the opportunity
to pursue a relationship with him. At the end of the game, your final conversation,
Anders says, “After all we shared…”  This
got me thinking, what did they share? Aside from my character having the same
hate towards the Templars and Chantry and seeing each other naked.

You learn quite a bit about the other companions past then
you do with Anders. I would have thought that being in a relationship with him,
he would reveal more about his past. Hell, Fenris reveals a ton of his past to
you in a relationship or not.

This all reverts to removing the option to speak to your
companions whenever you so choose. I loved standing around in the camp,
speaking to my companions finding out who they are, where they come from, what their
intentions are to a point.

I am all for a character being mysterious but at some point,
the character should start to expose themselves otherwise I tend to get frustrated.

[Nilfalasiel]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

I normally associate Anders with Scandinavia (because of his name and since he is supposedly blond). I can't just quite associate him with the Anderfels since he doesn't seem "exotic" enough to be from far far away. I mean, those from Rivain and Antiva are obviously different. Anders in DAO had a lot of Fereldan features (he looked a lot like Alistair). He doesn't look much like anyone in DA2, but doesn't look exotic either. His eyes, after the Steppes/Mongolia comment, yeah, I could see his eyes might be Central Asian. The rest of his features not really. If he came to the Circle as a teen, I would expect him to have an Anderfel accent, but he sounds like any Fereldan.

Well, the thing is, the geographical correspondences in DAO are loose at best. I mean, Antiva is a mix of Italy and Spain: there's a place in Antiva City called Rialto (Italian), and yet Zev has a Spanish accent, and their fleet is called the Felicisima Armada.

Same here: the Anderfels could have a climate like Mongolia and yet culturally be Germanic/Scandinavian. Also, I wouldn't say Anders looks completely like the typical Fereldan male. His nose, for one: long, fine and hooked. Most other human males in the game have rather chunky noses.

As for the accent, some people lose their accents really well. For example: I'm a Russian native speaker, and yet I have no accent in French or English, because I've spent most of my life in these two countries. So if Anders was surrounded exclusively by Fereldans while in the Circle, he could've perfectly well have lost his accent, even if he had one to begin with.

Speaking of his name, how come he doesn't even divulge his real name to Hawke? I thought we were close!

I like to headcanon that he eventually tells him/her, but it's either something they use in private (Hawke is the person he's most intimate with and doesn't want anyone else to know), or, as berelinde suggested, it's not a name he associates with himself anymore, so he'd rather go by Anders instead.

If that's the case, it would be kinda like Fenris and Leto. You'd wonder why he'd keep using what is essentially a pet name given to him by the man he loathes most in the world. But Leto is gone (partly thanks to the amnesia from the tattoing ritual, partly because he's a free man now), so it's the only name he has.

Also, you have to remember that the game is a framed narrative by Varric, even if not everything is as blatantly exaggerated as his intro or his break-in into Bartrand's house. If Varric doesn't know Anders' real name (which would be the case if he only told Hawke), then everyone in his story will simply call Anders "Anders". As I mentioned in the Fenris thread, I also think that some of Hawke's more ridiculous/cheesy lines could also be ascribed to Varric's flights of fancy. Although I admit that this could just be a way for me to escape complete embarrassment when hearing some of the things that come out of Hawke's mouth. Still, I think it's not a completely far-fetched explanation.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 12 octobre 2012 - 12:10 .

[BevH]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Also, you have to remember that the game is a framed narrative by Varric, even if not everything is as blatantly exaggerated as his intro or his break-in into Bartrand's house. If Varric doesn't know Anders' real name (which would be the case if he only told Hawke), then everyone in his story will simply call Anders "Anders". As I mentioned in the Fenris thread, I also think that some of Hawke's more ridiculous/cheesy lines could also be ascribed to Varric's flights of fancy. Although I admit that this could just be a way for me to escape complete embarrassment when hearing some of the things that come out of Hawke's mouth. Still, I think it's not a completely far-fetched explanation.

Bingo! It is a tale from Varric and so, as a result, he's not intimately familiar with every single detail. It bothered me that the love scene wasn't more detailed, and given Varric it could have been. But he wasn't in the room or peeking in a window, so he just doesn't know. He even asks Anders about it later stating that if Anders doesn't tell him, he'll just make it up. So, therefore, it's entirely fesible that Varric simply doesn't know what Anders real name is, but Hawke probably does, but isn't telling. Anders always refers to Hawke as Hawke and not Marian or Garrett (or whatever name we've chosen), but it doesn't mean in a private setting he doesn't.

[hobbit of the shire]

BevH wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Also, you have to remember that the game is a framed narrative by Varric, even if not everything is as blatantly exaggerated as his intro or his break-in into Bartrand's house. If Varric doesn't know Anders' real name (which would be the case if he only told Hawke), then everyone in his story will simply call Anders "Anders". As I mentioned in the Fenris thread, I also think that some of Hawke's more ridiculous/cheesy lines could also be ascribed to Varric's flights of fancy. Although I admit that this could just be a way for me to escape complete embarrassment when hearing some of the things that come out of Hawke's mouth. Still, I think it's not a completely far-fetched explanation.

Bingo! It is a tale from Varric and so, as a result, he's not intimately familiar with every single detail. It bothered me that the love scene wasn't more detailed, and given Varric it could have been. But he wasn't in the room or peeking in a window, so he just doesn't know. He even asks Anders about it later stating that if Anders doesn't tell him, he'll just make it up. So, therefore, it's entirely fesible that Varric simply doesn't know what Anders real name is, but Hawke probably does, but isn't telling. Anders always refers to Hawke as Hawke and not Marian or Garrett (or whatever name we've chosen), but it doesn't mean in a private setting he doesn't.

Hadn't thought of that.  Yes, indeed, that could explain A LOT of things in the game, then.  Nilfalasiel, you must right about Hawke's cheesy lines!  There is no way my Hawke would have said such things.  Varric, yooooou, I'm gonna hunt you down.   But then it makes you think, though, that if everything is clouded by Varric, then essentially DA2 is Varric-centric.  I'd like to get to know the PC better and not from another source.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

motomotogirl wrote...

Heck, Morrigan = Morgana = infamous witch

While Morrigan might have been partly inspired by Morgan le Fay, I think it's more likely she was inspired by her namesake The Morrigan; a shapeshifting valkrie-esque goddess(ish-creature) from Celtic legend, symbolising battle, strife, and sovereignty.

As for Anders, I figure his name is probably something embarassing and/or unpronouncable, and he started getting everybody to call him Anders because it was easier.

Or, more seriously, maybe he's named after his father, who pretty much turned his back on him the moment he was revealed as a mage.

I really want to go wandering around Thedas at some point in a future game (I hear they're starting on that in DA3)
Kirkwall was dusty, and Ferelden was brown and covered in Darkspawn.
I want to go to Antiva, personally. Or maybe (since loads of people are asking for playable kossith), a game set in Par Vollen where you get to play as one.

Also, Hawke's romance dialogue.
"I want you right here until the day we die!"
*cringe*
I'll stick with the sandwich line, that way I will inspire countless poets through the ages.

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 12 octobre 2012 - 08:54 .

[unicornfirebolt]

Cantina wrote...

I simply cannot bring myself to rival Anders, after seeing the videos, it is just too heart breaking and seems like rivlary is more like you being a mother wagging your finger in face.

More importantly after playing the  game numerous times, I have come to understand Anders more and the importance  to free mages. My character is just as determined to free mages as Anders is and to stay with him no matter what he chooses to do. My husband has a tendency to make a crack and say “You siding with the Templars this time?” Needless to say, I throw a pillow at him and give him a dirty look.

I wish the game had come across your intentions as a Mage or Templar supporter far better then what is available. Considering what it lead too, it seems I have to repeat my support for the Mages constantly and no matter how much I do it, it seems like it does not stick for very long. Maybe my character needs to wear a sign around her neck that says “F U Templars and The Chantry.” Then maybe hit them with it.

Newbie here! Thought I'd share my thoughts on a certain broody mage with a group of like minded people. Heavens knows he's been occupying my headspace enough as is.

Anyway, I wanted to say that I definitely agree with you there on the rivalmance. I understand it from a roleplaying point of view and it certainly does have it's merits, but the way it's written sort of drives me up a wall. The dialogue seems to steer you towards constantly kicking a puppy when he's down but it's clear that Anders is at war with himself. To love him and offer him a hand in the darkness he is slowly succumbing to... it's romantic and all, but Anders is unstable as is. To offer him love tinged with malice seems needlessly cruel. It's telling that in the 'Talk to Anders' quest Anders will personally vow to help Hawke in the Deep Roads is he/she is diplomatic/friendly, but if you go the humorous or direct route you earn yourself a visit from Justice himself. 

... and now I'm rambling. What I mean to say is I the rivalmance is fine (fits with a few of my Hawkes) but the 'slap slap kiss' dynamic doesn't work so well when you've got an unstable and increasingly desperate man on the other side of the equation.

Modifié par unicornfirebolt, 12 octobre 2012 - 09:08 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Rivalmance has been confirmed to have a negative impact on Anders.

Jennifer Hepler has said that the closest RL equivalent of Anders' condition is bipolar disorder.
Friendmancing him is when you convince and support him in his misson. He has more manic upswings as a result, being happier, and more zealous in his beliefs.
It also brings Anders and Justice closer to being one entity (I believe)

Rivalmancing is when you show him where he's going wrong, forcing him to realise how dangerous he's become (because though he can't really help it, he is dangerous and unstable). As a result he has more episodes of depression, and ends up with a ****eload of self-loathing.
It also causes a rift between Justice and Anders, and IMO makes him closer to the usual abominations running around due to the two fighting for dominance.

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 12 octobre 2012 - 09:48 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Or, more seriously, maybe he's named after his father, who pretty much turned his back on him the moment he was revealed as a mage.

That's definitely a possibility as well, hadn't thought of that one.

[Cantina]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Rivalmance has been confirmed to have a negative impact on Anders.

Jennifer Hepler has said that the closest RL equivalent of Anders' condition is bipolar disorder.
Friendmancing him is when you convince and support him in his misson. He has more manic upswings as a result, being happier, and more zealous in his beliefs.
It also brings Anders and Justice closer to being one entity (I believe)

Rivalmancing is when you show him where he's going wrong, forcing him to realise how dangerous he's become (because though he can't really help it, he is dangerous and unstable). As a result he has more episodes of depression, and ends up with a ****eload of self-loathing.
It also causes a rift between Justice and Anders, and IMO makes him closer to the usual abominations running around due to the two fighting for dominance.

Not to mention IF you choose to Rival Anders and support the Mages, the game will not reconize it and assume your a Templar Supporter. Which is one more nail in the coffin as to why I refuse to Rival Anders. Be a cold day in hell when I support the Templars, much less the Chantry.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Cantina wrote...

Not to mention IF you choose to Rival Anders and support the Mages, the game will not reconize it and assume your a Templar Supporter. Which is one more nail in the coffin as to why I refuse to Rival Anders. Be a cold day in hell when I support the Templars, much less the Chantry.

Being pidgeonholed as a pro-Templar is indeed a pain. <_<
I merely want to point out to Anders that becoming an abomination was the worst idea he's ever had in the history of EVER, while supporting his cause, but noooo...
It's like Carver. No matter how nice and supportive of him I am he still hates me.
Damn it Bioware, if D&D games can keep two seperate sliders for Law/Chaos and Good/Evil, then you can make two sliders for Mage/Templar and Rivalry/Friendship.

It's a bit early to say, but I get the impression that DA3 will involve the Chantry quite a bit (whether or not we'll be working with them remains to be seen). I personally forsee a lot of "Guide damn it!" moments when playing.
I can't help but feel that playing mage is going to be very ironic considering what the Inquisition was originally created for.

And if I don't hear about Anders in DA3, I will be extremely surprised...
...I may have gone a tad off topic.

[BevH]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

But then it makes you think, though, that if everything is clouded by Varric, then essentially DA2 is Varric-centric.  I'd like to get to know the PC better and not from another source.

I believe, and perhaps it's just me, that DA2 is essentially the story of Hawke and Anders (no matter who Hawke romances) as told by Varric. And while I liked aspects of the framed narrative, I found myself missing the ability to interact with your companions whenever you wished as in DA:O.

[berelinde]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

I merely want to point out to Anders that becoming an abomination was the worst idea he's ever had in the history of EVER, while supporting his cause, but noooo...

He'd probably agree with you. There's nothing he can do about it now, but I'm sure he has his regrets.

[Nilfalasiel]

BevH wrote...

I believe, and perhaps it's just me, that DA2 is essentially the story of Hawke and Anders (no matter who Hawke romances) as told by Varric. And while I liked aspects of the framed narrative, I found myself missing the ability to interact with your companions whenever you wished as in DA:O.

I'm not a fan of framed narratives in general, and especially ones which cover long periods of time with skips in between. Because those skips are usually not adequately explained. And you're left wondering "well, what did people do during all this time?" and "why does everybody look the same and wear the same clothes?"