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[mmachvz]

Cantina wrote...

mmachvz wrote...

Cantina wrote...

mmachvz wrote...

This is exactly why I want Anders to survive in the series (besides the simple want to see him again). Spirits are a fascinating lore that they should develop further especially since they're dealing with mage/templar issue. Since darkspawn (according to the Chantry or what Corypheus says is true) came, technically, from the Fade, having a possessed-mage warden character does cover alot of ground lore-wise and can lead the series to a more developed and serious tone. Or maybe they wouldn't really ditch the character rather they'd make him fully possessed (poor Anders), if they do I hope they'd do him justice (pun intended).

I can you tell this, IF Anders is dead in the next game or fully possesed by Justice, I will NEVER play another DA game, EVER.

Wow, quite an ultimatum.

Personally I'm really worried where they are taking him as character. He's too important player just to be taken away. I'm afraid they might do the sane trick they did on him in his Justice quest (or DA2 as a whole), that your choices would not matter in the long run. Damn, this is heart wrenching.  

It may seem like an ultimatum, but it is not, simply how I feel. Out of the numerous characters in games that I have played, Anders is by far the best. I just would hate to see his character stripped down to nothing. Not only is Anders important he also has a lot of fans.

Think of it in terms of this way, if fans of.... I dunno...lets say Twilight found out Edward ends up dying and Isabella becomes human again, I cannot even being to fathom the amount of torches and pitchforks that would come up.

Its one thing to change a character, but to completely erase a character, well I for one cannot just simply shrug my shoulders and pretend its OK.  People find some solice in fictional characters, ones that tend to relate to what their life is and has become. I for one see some of my struggles in Anders, and to have the chance of that being taken way, well it would just simply be unacceptable.

I'm sorry, I think I sounded cold-blooded and insensitive.

I feel the same, I mean he's the first ever fictional character that I got attached to (My obsession revived my willingness to draw illustrations again! Not even art school made me lift a pen.) so I respect and understand how you feel. I may not cancel out the whole series but I admit it will send a huge wave of... disappointment (an understatement, surely). And I feel I should make it clear that I'm really, really rooting for Anders and I, too, await his future appearance to the franchise. It's just that I have doubts seeing as the direction their taking on him is spiralling downwards and the hopes of a somewhat happy ending seems a distant miles away for Anders, which is quite depressing to me. 

[smallwhippet]

^^ I know how you feel!

Have just discovered, via Twitter, that Adam Howden is going to be at MCM in London next weekend for signings. My son is going and I was wondering whether to get him to brave the queues to ask AH whether he's involved in DA:I...
Also, I don't know if anyone else here saw the latest from the DA:I twitter thread showing pictures which seem to confirm that Tevinter will be a major destination?
I know I've said this before, but I can't help suspecting that, if Anders is anywhere, it'll be there...
A girl can hope, can't she?

[Cantina]

mmachvz wrote...

I'm sorry, I think I sounded cold-blooded and insensitive.

I feel the same, I mean he's the first ever fictional character that I got attached to (My obsession revived my willingness to draw illustrations again! Not even art school made me lift a pen.) so I respect and understand how you feel. I may not cancel out the whole series but I admit it will send a huge wave of... disappointment (an understatement, surely). And I feel I should make it clear that I'm really, really rooting for Anders and I, too, await his future appearance to the franchise. It's just that I have doubts seeing as the direction their taking on him is spiralling downwards and the hopes of a somewhat happy ending seems a distant miles away for Anders, which is quite depressing to me. 

There is no need to apologize, I assumed what I wrote did not come out as I wanted it too. No worries.

Which raises another question. Why do you give a character such a very bad road and then drive him further into the ground. What is the purpose? Why do this? What is the exact goal? I hope DA 3 offers some damn answers.

smallwhippet wrote...

^^ I know how you feel!

Have just discovered, via Twitter, that Adam Howden is going to be at MCM in London next weekend for signings. My son is going and I was wondering whether to get him to brave the queues to ask AH whether he's involved in DA:I...
Also, I don't know if anyone else here saw the latest from the DA:I twitter thread showing pictures which seem to confirm that Tevinter will be a major destination?
I know I've said this before, but I can't help suspecting that, if Anders is anywhere, it'll be there...
A girl can hope, can't she?

I would be brave enough to ask him, however he maybe under contract not to discuss the game until a certain date.

And supposedly Tevinter will be in DA 3. I take it you did not see the map of the areas they plan on covering? Much larger then DAO and DA2.






Now don't go celebrating just yet, they said this is what they are aiming for, now it depends on IF it comes true.


I hope it does, be interesting to see how Kirkwall is doing after the war started there.

Modifié par Cantina, 20 octobre 2012 - 12:19 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Cantina wrote...

Out of the numerous characters in games that I have played, Anders is by far the best. I just would hate to see his character stripped down to nothing. Not only is Anders important he also has a lot of fans.

Agreed. No character I've ever encountered in a game has ever rung me emotions out like Anders has. Before he was just a goofy character I was fond of. Now however, he is my favourite woobie-of-woobies ever. 

Considering just how much of an impact he's had on Thedan history, I will be very, very put out if I don't see and/or hear about him in Inquisition if he was spared... and as Anders, not Justice. (Though it would be nice to have a proper conversation with Justice, for a change.)

Think of it in terms of this way, if fans of.... I dunno...lets say Twilight found out Edward ends up dying and Isabella becomes human again, I cannot even being to fathom the amount of torches and pitchforks that would come up.

Twilight haters on the other hand would be throwing parties out of sheer joy... Alas, I expect Anders-haters would feel the same about Anders remaining dead.    ...though they'd probably be equally pissy about him being a walking corpse possessed by vengeance.

Its one thing to change a character, but to completely erase a character, well I for one cannot just simply shrug my shoulders and pretend its OK.  People find some solice in fictional characters, ones that tend to relate to what their life is and has become. I for one see some of my struggles in Anders, and to have the chance of that being taken way, well it would just simply be unacceptable.

Indeed.

As for locations: If I don't see Tevinter I wll be very put out Bioware. Very put-out! Very!
I also want to go to Antiva. Maybe for Dragon Age 4 we can play as an Antivan Crow a la Assassin's Creed!  (OK, I'm kidding about that one)

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Considering just how much of an impact he's had on Thedan history, I will be very, very put out if I don't see and/or hear about him in Inquisition if he was spared... and as Anders, not Justice. (Though it would be nice to have a proper conversation with Justice, for a change.)

BW wasn't kidding when they said DA2 was about the most important person in the history of Thedas...

...except it wasn't Hawke.

Twilight haters on the other hand would be throwing parties out of sheer joy... Alas, I expect Anders-haters would feel the same about Anders remaining dead.    ...though they'd probably be equally pissy about him being a walking corpse possessed by vengeance.

*throws bricks at Twilight*
*runs out of bricks, goes to find rusty nails, bits of glass and other sharp objects*

On the whole, I'm a stickler for consistency first and foremost. So for people who killed Anders, he should stay dead. But for those who didn't, it would be nice to see him again. Preferably un-possessed.

Although one thing that people who kill Anders seem to forget about is that it doesn't actually solve the problem. Killing Anders doesn't kill Justice, who's the real driving force behind the whole issue. And he's already switched hosts before. What's to stop him from doing it again?

So I admit, I would have a "pure Schadenfreude" moment if Justice came back to wreak havoc in some of those playthroughs. Seriously though, I'd much rather there was a way to just send him back to the Fade with a kick to his immaterial butt.

I also want to go to Antiva. Maybe for Dragon Age 4 we can play as an Antivan Crow a la Assassin's Creed!  (OK, I'm kidding about that one)

Hah. As long as the protagonist doesn't inherit Ezio's personality.

[mmachvz]

Cantina wrote...

mmachvz wrote...

I'm sorry, I think I sounded cold-blooded and insensitive.

I feel the same, I mean he's the first ever fictional character that I got attached to (My obsession revived my willingness to draw illustrations again! Not even art school made me lift a pen.) so I respect and understand how you feel. I may not cancel out the whole series but I admit it will send a huge wave of... disappointment (an understatement, surely). And I feel I should make it clear that I'm really, really rooting for Anders and I, too, await his future appearance to the franchise. It's just that I have doubts seeing as the direction their taking on him is spiralling downwards and the hopes of a somewhat happy ending seems a distant miles away for Anders, which is quite depressing to me. 

There is no need to apologize, I assumed what I wrote did not come out as I wanted it too. No worries.

Which raises another question. Why do you give a character such a very bad road and then drive him further into the ground. What is the purpose? Why do this? What is the exact goal? I hope DA 3 offers some damn answers.

So did I. 

Probably break people's hearts? Writers do have a habit of that. Yea, I hope we get more explanation out of DA:I, out of forum topic but, I also want answers about Morrigan, my other favorite apostate 

And help please, how do you quote two post at the same time?

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

BW wasn't kidding when they said DA2 was about the most important person in the history of Thedas...

...except it wasn't Hawke.

Quite. The only reason Hawke is considered so important is because of the Arishok. In reality, s/he isn't all that important, because what they do has no impact on Anders decision.
Unless Varric is telling lies... 

*throws bricks at Twilight*
*runs out of bricks, goes to find rusty nails, bits of glass and other sharp objects*

How about a bazooka?
Seriously, I'm still of the opinion that Twilight is a badly written AU Buffy the Vampire Slayer fanfic where the names and locations were changed so that the book could be published.
Ah, but I digress.

On the whole, I'm a stickler for consistency first and foremost. So for people who killed Anders, he should stay dead. But for those who didn't, it would be nice to see him again. Preferably un-possessed.

Although one thing that people who kill Anders seem to forget about is that it doesn't actually solve the problem. Killing Anders doesn't kill Justice, who's the real driving force behind the whole issue. And he's already switched hosts before. What's to stop him from doing it again?

So I admit, I would have a "pure Schadenfreude" moment if Justice came back to wreak havoc in some of those playthroughs. Seriously though, I'd much rather there was a way to just send him back to the Fade with a kick to his immaterial butt.

I feel that removing Justice from Anders would be a bit... cheap. Unless of course it was done through exceptionally hard work or could be replaced with an alternate source of equal angstiness. (I'd like to see Justice posess Hawke, and see how Anders deals with that. Ooh... I wonder if there's a fanfic of that?)

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

mmachvz wrote...

So did I. 

Probably break people's hearts? Writers do have a habit of that. Yea, I hope we get more explanation out of DA:I, out of forum topic but, I also want answers about Morrigan, my other favorite apostate 

And help please, how do you quote two post at the same time?

When you click on the "quote" thing on somebody's post, in your reply you should see their post begin with "quote" in [these brackets] and end in "/quote" also in [ ].

So if you want to quote, just begin the bit you want to quote in the same way.

Like so.

More explanations would be nice. Of course it could be simply that Bioware are monstrous abominations who feed on human despair.

[mmachvz]

Bioware are monstrous abominations who feed on human despair.

Hahaha! I thought of them as that after I played DA2

I feel that removing Justice from Anders would be a bit... cheap. Unless of course done through exceptionally hard work or could be replaced with an alternate source of equal angstiness.

or maybe Justice could cope with the greyer aspect of humanity? He was as much part of Anders so I don't want him to simply poof out without a well-written, plot-hole free explanation (or am I asking too much? A girl can hope right.). But I do hope he'd give his host a huge slack!

[mmachvz]

and oh yea thanks for the help dreaming-in-shadows!

[Cantina]

So much to respond too, too many quotes to do so.

This is just my opinion, so don't start throwing stones or what have you at me.

I feel as though (again) the merger with Justice was just a means to get to the end the writers needed. Anders should have slowly started to descend into his crazy ways do to the spirit within him and not as quickly as it did.

People should have been given the opportunity to remove the spirit within Anders. Feynriel is a good outlet for this. Now of course there is no guarantee it would have worked.

Moving onwards, the end could have been different and not set in stone. You could have been given the choice to help Anders or stop him completely.

For example, IF your a Templar supporter and tell Cullen of Anders actions and he is in your party, the Templars move into arrest him. However Anders manages to escape thanks to Justice and disappears. The Chantry is then evacuated and searched. But later the Chantry ends up being destroyed by Blood Mages.

IF you choose to let Grand Cleric Elthina know, she will contact the Templar Order. Who in turn hunt down Anders to arrest him but find he is gone. Once again they evacuate the Chantry and search. Later the Chantry is destroyed by Blood Mages.

IF you choose to help Anders and refuse to tell anyone of his plan, the ending happens as it does.

If you side with the Mages Anders comes back to offer his help, if you choose to support the Templars he is gone for good.

But I digress, the ending cannot be change but it would have been nice to have a choice on how the ending happens like in Origins.



As for Varric, well who knows what he was telling the truth about or even exaggerating. But don't forget Varric read Hawke's journal and she/he makes a comment about this when you click on the journal in the estate. I just find it amusing though at the end of the interogation Varric seem to know Hakwe's location but played it off so smoothly. Typical Varric.

And as for those who hate Anders, well not everyone is able to agree. I chose to stand in the "Support Anders Parade" simply because I understand the why of it all and who is.


Oh and as for Twilight, <bows head> yes, sadly I like Twilight. BUT I'm not like obsessed with it. Now Anders on the other hand, oh yes, defiantly obsessed.

[mmachvz]

Cantina wrote...

I feel as though (again) the merger with Justice was just a means to get to the end the writers needed. Anders should have slowly started to descend into his crazy ways do to the spirit within him and not as quickly as it did.

I actually read one very good fanfic that covers this... I can't seem to find it now though Anyway, the writer was also bothered by the same thing and also how quickly Justice was introduced. She (I presume the writer is a she) wanted his "secret" to have been told much later into the game, let's say in Act II during dissent(?) atleast giving the players time to really get to know Anders as just Anders.

Damn and now I need to find that fanfic!

Cantina wrote...

People should have been given the opportunity to remove the spirit within Anders. Feynriel is a good outlet for this. Now of course there is no guarantee it would have worked.

A plot-hole on the writer's side I think. Connor from DA:O is also a good example.

[Nilfalasiel]

Well, Gaider himself has said that removing Justice was possible, so I'll just hold on to that hope. I don't doubt that it will be difficult, but I feel that the merger is actually counterproductive to Anders' cause and hampers rather than helps him. So no, I don't think it's cheap to remove Justice: I think it's actually a move in the right direction to serve the cause of the mage revolution. Would the process be difficult and scarring? I don't doubt it. Would it possibly leave Anders irreparably broken? If he's been rivalled, definitely (IMO, of course; I think a friended Anders is more likely to recover, paradoxical as it may sound). But I think the Justice plot has run its length and served all the purpose it could serve. Time to move on.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 20 octobre 2012 - 11:59 .

[Cantina]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Well, Gaider himself has said that removing Justice was possible, so I'll just hold on to that hope. I don't doubt that it will be difficult, but I feel that the merger is actually counterproductive to Anders' cause and hampers rather than helps him. So no, I don't think it's cheap to remove Justice: I think it's actually a move in the right direction to serve the cause of the mage revolution. Would the process be difficult and scarring? I don't doubt it. Would it possibly leave Anders irreparably broken? If he's been rivalled, definitely (IMO, of course; I think a friended Anders is more likely to recover, paradoxical as it may sound). But I think the Justice plot has run its length and served all the purpose it could serve. Time to move on.

Exactly. I for one did not care for Justice in Awkening. Interesting? Yes. But I needed a tank so he stayed around. I was hoping that would be the last of Justice, apperantly not.

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that Anders would agree to something like that. From his comments in Awakening and him being a mage, it cannot simply be added up to "Well, he did for Mage Freedom." Look at Avernus he went as far as he did because well he was crazy and a Blood Mage. So are the writers trying to say that for some stupid reason that Anders so happened to just one day wake up and say "I'll be crazy today and go ahead and merge with Justice."

You cannot simply merge two characters together, forget everything before and use the lame excuse "Because."The seperation between the two should be difficult but not impossiable. And I don't beleive for a second Anders and Justice are one at all. I think Anders beleives that and assumes that is the case, just misinformed. The after effects (yes I agree) should be based on friendship or rivlary.

All writers make mistakes, all writers do something that is completely unethical of what the character truly is, I just hope the hell there are answers to the number of holes. I for one do like swiss cheese, but not with characters whom I enjoy.

[Gyrefalcon]

smallwhippet wrote...

^^ I know how you feel!

Have just discovered, via Twitter, that Adam Howden is going to be at MCM in London next weekend for signings. My son is going and I was wondering whether to get him to brave the queues to ask AH whether he's involved in DA:I...
Also, I don't know if anyone else here saw the latest from the DA:I twitter thread showing pictures which seem to confirm that Tevinter will be a major destination?
I know I've said this before, but I can't help suspecting that, if Anders is anywhere, it'll be there...
A girl can hope, can't she?

Oh please ask him!  We have a strong chance of Cullen being a major character but Anders will be lucky to get a mention I fear.  See if he is going to be doing any voices in DA3.  He may not be allowed to tell us who, but if he has been hired back that would give us something.  :/ 

(What the heck did they spike this video game with to make us so obsessive over a fictional character? Perhaps it is the mastery of storytelling in a new medium?)

Anyway:  The Darkspawn codex in DA:  Origins mentions that Darkspawn raids were common in Teventer and the Anderfels on remote farms in the periods between Blights when Darkspawn were only spooky stories in Denerim.  So if you are writing about the Anderfels that might be helpful.  (hint, hint)  Also, that would explain quite easily Anders' parents' desire to leave the Anderfels when they had their child.  A raid on a farm or town nearby would easily cause someone to re-think the safety of their family.

Finally:  Is it wrong of me to daydream of suggesting that, if the Bioware Dragon Age team needs more funds to have the time or staff to do up DA3 right, they could put up a Kickstarter with a "post Chantry explosion" romance DLC for DA2?  I would shamelessly throw money at them and count it a win-win.  Thoughts?

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

Exactly. I for one did not care for Justice in Awkening. Interesting? Yes. But I needed a tank so he stayed around. I was hoping that would be the last of Justice, apperantly not.

Yeah, I wasn't particularly keen on him either. But I do distinctly remember thinking "uh-oh..." when he mentioned that he felt envious of Kristoff and Aura. Guess my fears were justified (unavoidable pun).

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that Anders would agree to something like that. From his comments in Awakening and him being a mage, it cannot simply be added up to "Well, he did for Mage Freedom." Look at Avernus he went as far as he did because well he was crazy and a Blood Mage. So are the writers trying to say that for some stupid reason that Anders so happened to just one day wake up and say "I'll be crazy today and go ahead and merge with Justice."

Yeah, it seems like a disproportionately desperate move in a situation that just wasn't immediately desperate. Then again, Anders does seem to be prone to rash decisions (eg. the Awakening epilogue that has him leaving the Wardens, then coming back 2 months later, repeatedly running away from the Circle, etc.), so I wouldn't say it's completely out of character for him. I just fail to see what could've been so terrible as to provoke him into taking that step. Besides, he's only met Wynne briefly at best, so unless the Warden told him about her condition, the only example of a human merging with a spirit that he would know about would be abominations. Were it me, I'd think twice, thrice and even ten times before agreeing to a scheme like that. But again, there is a history of rashness there, so who knows...

You cannot simply merge two characters together, forget everything before and use the lame excuse "Because."The seperation between the two should be difficult but not impossiable. And I don't beleive for a second Anders and Justice are one at all. I think Anders beleives that and assumes that is the case, just misinformed. The after effects (yes I agree) should be based on friendship or rivlary.

I always viewed the "Justice and I are one" comment as more "we fully agree" than "we're an indistinguishable entity". They're not. Maybe that was the writers' intention, but I thought it was pretty easy to tell when Justice was pulling the strings and when he wasn't. Besides, Anders explains that he and Justice are one fairly early on, but he's still able to differentiate during the romance scene. After all, he says "Justice disapproves of my obsession with you", doesn't he?

Act 3 is heavily influenced by Justice, Anders even behaves differently. I'm not sure whether he really believes they are one at that point (at least, on the Friended path), or whether he just went "ah, f*ck it" and let him drive until their purpose was complete. I'm not even sure his answer to Hawke when asked if the kaboom was Justice's doing isn't just a means of defence. Or a way of refusing to point fingers and sharing the blame. Because he definitely feels that he's answerable for what happened. Overall, I kinda got the impression that Justice and he were one when it was convenient.

I also think that leaving Kirkwall should significantly subdue Justice. The thin Veil has an exacerbating influence on every one of the city's inhabitants, but none so much as Anders, surely.

@ Gyrefalcon: Not wrong, but the likelihood of that happening is slim at best. They did say they were done and done with DA2. It's a shame, and I'd love for them to go back on their decision, but I really don't think that's gonna happen. Alas.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 21 octobre 2012 - 08:04 .

[Cantina]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cantina wrote...


I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that Anders would agree to something like that. From his comments in Awakening and him being a mage, it cannot simply be added up to "Well, he did for Mage Freedom." Look at Avernus he went as far as he did because well he was crazy and a Blood Mage. So are the writers trying to say that for some stupid reason that Anders so happened to just one day wake up and say "I'll be crazy today and go ahead and merge with Justice."

Yeah, it seems like a disproportionately desperate move in a situation that just wasn't immediately desperate. Then again, Anders does seem to be prone to rash decisions (eg. the Awakening epilogue that has him leaving the Wardens, then coming back 2 months later, repeatedly running away from the Circle, etc.), so I wouldn't say it's completely out of character for him. I just fail to see what could've been so terrible as to provoke him into taking that step. Besides, he's only met Wynne briefly at best, so unless the Warden told him about her condition, the only example of a human merging with a spirit that he would know about would be abominations. Were it me, I'd think twice, thrice and even ten times before agreeing to a scheme like that. But again, there is a history of rashness there, so who knows...

I would not go so far as to say he is prone to rash decisions. Anders seems the type to think out something before he does it.

He ran from the Circle because the place was a prison, he just wanted freedom.

As for coming back to the Wardens, well the developers said to take the aftermath with a grain of salt and I believe I read somewhere they wish they had not done the “What happened to the characters after.”

His choice in Act 3, he knew what he was getting into, he knew what he was about to do and was willing to pay for the consequences. That does not sound like someone with a rash personality.

As for Wynne, nothing to do with her at all and the spirit within her, well was. The fact is Anders is considered a bright mage. Furthermore, he is a Spirit Healer; they have connections to spirits most of the time, he had to know his choice of how to use his magic and the fact that being a Spirit Healer can be dangerous.

If he was so ambiguous about doing it, why not do it during Awakening. Or how about him saying in Act 1 "I thought, I was helping my friend. It had to be better then playing the demon and haunting some corpse." OK, so in context he said "demon" and Anders was OK, with letting a demon into his body? Come on.

I still view it as completely out of his character and nothing more than a desperate attempt on the writers behalf to get the ending they wanted no matter how little sense it made.

And please don't think I'm like being b!tchy or anything towards you, that is towards the writers.

Modifié par Cantina, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:34 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Cantina wrote...

I would not go so far as to say he is prone to rash decisions. Anders seems the type to think out something before he does it.

He ran from the Circle because the place was a prison, he just wanted freedom.

As for coming back to the Wardens, well the developers said to take the aftermath with a grain of salt and I believe I read somewhere they wish they had not done the “What happened to the characters after.”

His choice in Act 3, he knew what he was getting into, he knew what he was about to do and was willing to pay for the consequences. That does not sound like someone with a rash personality.

As for Wynne, nothing to do with her at all and the spirit within her, well was. The fact is Anders is considered a bright mage. Furthermore, he is a Spirit Healer; they have connections to spirits most of the time, he had to know his choice of how to use his magic and the fact that being a Spirit Healer can be dangerous.

If he was so ambiguous about doing it, why not do it during Awakening. Or how about him saying in Act 1 "I thought, I was helping my friend. It had to be better then playing the demon and haunting some corpse." OK, so in context he said "demon" and Anders was OK, with letting a demon into his body? Come on.

I still view it as completely out of his character and nothing more than a desperate attempt on the writers behalf to get the ending they wanted no matter how little sense it made.

And please don't think I'm like being b!tchy or anything towards you, that is towards the writers.

Oh no, don't worry about it, I was just trying to rationalise the issue as best I could. Trying to think of some kind of valid reason for that particular element of character development. Because there's no changing it now, so might at least try to make some sense out of it.

As for the comment about "playing the demon", I think what he meant there was that demons are typically the ones who possess corpses. Meaning that, if Justice possessed a corpse, he'd be behaving as a demon would. That doesn't imply that Justice is a demon. He's not...even if he's cutting it pretty damn close sometimes.

[berelinde]

I wouldn't say that Anders makes *impulsive* decisions, but some of them might be considered rash. He does think about what he's doing, it's just that he tends to be ruled by his emotions ("My friend will die if I don't do this," "The future of my people demands action") rather than logic. He can't not care.

[berelinde]

And it happened again. I was going to do an Isabela romance this time. I played it through once before and loved it, but that was on my templar-siding Hawke, and that save was lost when my computer died. I'm not planning on siding with the templars again, but I thought that a light-hearted Isabela playthrough might be fun. I resolved that I was going to roll a straight male Hawke and that he would only flirt with Isabela.

Quest popup: Talk to Anders
Aidan Hawke: (heads to Darktown to talk to Anders)
Anders: I think you've got a bit of a soft heart yourself under that scruffy exterior.
Aidan Hawke: (flirt, flirt, flirt)
berelinde: Goddammit, Anders! You did it again.

[Nilfalasiel]

berelinde wrote...

And it happened again. I was going to do an Isabela romance this time. I played it through once before and loved it, but that was on my templar-siding Hawke, and that save was lost when my computer died. I'm not planning on siding with the templars again, but I thought that a light-hearted Isabela playthrough might be fun. I resolved that I was going to roll a straight male Hawke and that he would only flirt with Isabela.

Quest popup: Talk to Anders
Aidan Hawke: (heads to Darktown to talk to Anders)
Anders: I think you've got a bit of a soft heart yourself under that scruffy exterior.
Aidan Hawke: (flirt, flirt, flirt)
berelinde: Goddammit, Anders! You did it again.

 Yesss. Hobo-mage power. Irresistible.

Also, my only M!Hawke just happens to be called Aidan as well >.> Although he managed to romance Isabela without a hitch. But that's because I couldn't inflict a pro-Templar on Anders.

That being said, I was distinctly underwhelmed by the Isabela romance, content-wise, especially considering how popular a choice she seems to be. I don't know what it was, but it left me going "wait...what? that was it?" by the end. Maybe because she has fewer party banters regarding the relationship. Maybe because she doesn't have any romance-specific lines when you click on her. I dunno.

That said, to go back on the topic of Anders' rashness, I agree: it's not that he doesn't think things through, it's that he's totally capable of disregarding safety and logic if he feels that something must be done. And this despite thinking things through.

[Cantina]

I just dunno how you guys can romance Isabella. I'd be afraid to wake up the next day with a rash that is going to take three different ointments to get rid of (Yes, Ohgren). Sides, sleeping with her would be like throwing a sausage down a hallway. But I suppose its a small step up from sleeping with Merril or Fenris, <shivers>.


Good old Anders, Mr Chaotic Good, but hey, my Hawke falls into that category too.

[berelinde]

Actually, romancing Isabela is a lot of fun. But then, I adore Isabela. Not as much as Anders, apparently, but enough to give her a playthrough or two as a LI. I don't get involved with that whole ****-shaming thing. From the sound of things, Anders was just as bad, back in the day, "Everybody was kissing everybody" indeed, and some of my Hawkes have been pretty free with their affection, too. Thedas has magical healing, so it isn't as if anybody is going to get hanging elbows or any other incurable affliction. Not that it matters. My Hawkes tend to hook up with Isabela... and Fenris... at some point, but the hobo-mage allure is totally irresistible.

[Gyrefalcon]

Cantina wrote...

I just dunno how you guys can romance Isabella. I'd be afraid to wake up the next day with a rash that is going to take three different ointments to get rid of (Yes, Ohgren). Sides, sleeping with her would be like throwing a sausage down a hallway. But I suppose its a small step up from sleeping with Merril or Fenris, <shivers>.
Good old Anders, Mr Chaotic Good, but hey, my Hawke falls into that category too.

"Throwing a sausage down a hallway."  Ha ha ha HA HA HA.  Yeah, I actually did laugh out loud at that one.

Actually, romancing Isabela is a
lot of fun. But then, I adore Isabela. Not as much as Anders,
apparently, but enough to give her a playthrough or two as a LI. I don't
get involved with that whole ****-shaming thing. From the sound of
things, Anders was just as bad, back in the day, "Everybody was kissing
everybody" indeed, and some of my Hawkes have been pretty free with
their affection, too. Thedas has magical healing, so it isn't as if
anybody is going to get hanging elbows or any other incurable
affliction. Not that it matters. My Hawkes tend to hook up with
Isabela... and Fenris... at some point, but the hobo-mage allure is
totally irresistible.

Why do you think Anders knows how to heal those things up so well?  He *did* do that electricity thing with Isabella.  (I wonder if the senior mages had fits trying to find cures for what he caught on that excursion?)

My 2 cents on the "Why did Anders merge with Justice" debate.  I've probably said it before but I still hold that after that year of solitary, after having his lover shipped off, knowing anyone or anything he gets attached to can be taken from him and is just a tool for the templars, Anders probably welcomed having someone who would never leave, did not see him as evil for existing, and even shared some of his views.  Most of all, he would never be alone again like he was that year.  They could never take Justice from him.  But that went sour, too, in the end.  Thus the attempt to squeeze some last moments of joy out of life with Hawke before pursuing his determined fate.  He did not expect to live through his plan.  It makes it sweeter for those of us who choose not to kill him, but I believe there was some note that the "let's run away together" ending was the unexpected romantic one by the devs.  *sigh*

Well, I did something different last night since I am going back to Dragon Age:  Origins.  I made Irving go into the Fade and will post his stats in awhile to help out those who want to use it for background information in their writing.  ^-^

[berelinde]

Gyrefalcon wrote...
(I wonder if the senior mages had fits trying to find cures for what he caught on that excursion?)

This made me giggle. Not at you or what you typed! It just reminded me of my aunt when my mother told her I was starting college (I was the first person in my extended family to go. It was quite a long time ago, before college was considered a necessary part of finding a job.) She jokingly asked my mother if I was up on my pennicillin shots, as if everybody who went off to school was guaranteed to get an STD. She's now over 90. It was a different world, I guess.