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berelinde wrote...

Actually, romancing Isabela is a lot of fun. But then, I adore Isabela. Not as much as Anders, apparently, but enough to give her a playthrough or two as a LI. I don't get involved with that whole ****-shaming thing. From the sound of things, Anders was just as bad, back in the day, "Everybody was kissing everybody" indeed, and some of my Hawkes have been pretty free with their affection, too. Thedas has magical healing, so it isn't as if anybody is going to get hanging elbows or any other incurable affliction. Not that it matters. My Hawkes tend to hook up with Isabela... and Fenris... at some point, but the hobo-mage allure is totally irresistible.


What was it that Anders tells Isabela on that one visit to his clinic? When she's obviously there to get a cure for...that kind of thing. I can't remember now.

Anyways, yeah, he definitely got around back in his Circle days. Including with Isabela. But that's the thing: I expected her romance to be more fun. I didn't think there were nearly enough saucy flirts. Are you sure she has as much content as the other LIs?

This made me giggle. Not at you or what you typed! It just reminded me of my aunt when my mother told her I was starting college (I was the first person in my extended family to go. It was quite a long time ago, before college was considered a necessary part of finding a job.) She jokingly asked my mother if I was up on my pennicillin shots, as if everybody who went off to school was guaranteed to get an STD. She's now over 90. It was a different world, I guess.


I guess it could be viewed as a learning experience. Posted Image

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My 2 cents on the "Why did Anders merge with Justice" debate. I've probably said it before but I still hold that after that year of solitary, after having his lover shipped off, knowing anyone or anything he gets attached to can be taken from him and is just a tool for the templars, Anders probably welcomed having someone who would never leave, did not see him as evil for existing, and even shared some of his views. Most of all, he would never be alone again like he was that year. They could never take Justice from him. But that went sour, too, in the end. Thus the attempt to squeeze some last moments of joy out of life with Hawke before pursuing his determined fate. He did not expect to live through his plan. It makes it sweeter for those of us who choose not to kill him, but I believe there was some note that the "let's run away together" ending was the unexpected romantic one by the devs. *sigh*


Having just seen Ted this weekend, the bolded part gives me a whole new perspective on Justice. I'm now picturing him goading Anders to smoke pot (or snort lyrium, whichever applies) and to pick up hookers.

Ahh, Justice, why are you such a stick in the mud?

Edit: Ngah, ToP. *rummages*

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Dat nose.

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Justice seems more like the opposite though, "No you can't get drunk anymore, what do you mean you want to date Hawke?!" But we all know Justice was curious after seeing Kristof's memories as to what it would be like to love someone, to care for someone and be cared for in the same way. It is a glimpse into the domain of a different spirit without getting your nose slapped. (Although, if you are merciful, use prostitutes, ladies of the evening, or anything other than hooker. It was my family name and it is hard to suffer from having "Hooker's girls" shortened to "hooker's". We get more flack than the descendents of Benedict Arnold. *sigh*)

Oh, but I promised some helpful tidbits for the fanfic authors who might need to know a bit more about First Enchanter Irving!

First Enchanter Irving (As of DA: Origins)

Attributes 8 tactics slots

Str 15
Dex 15 Equipment
Will 33 First Enchanter Robes:
Magic 39 +3 Willpower
Cun 12 +3 Magic
Con 10 +9 Defense
(Description: Less ornate than one would expect, this particular robe
smells strongly of liniment and brimstone.)
Acolyte's Staff:
Iron (Tier 1) +2 spell power
Requires 16 magic Damage 3, Armor penetration 20, Range 50
Spellpower 1

Statistics: Resistances:
Health: 145/145 Mental Resistance Check: 27
Mana 328/320 Physical Resistance Check: 5
Armor 0 Cold Resistance Check: 0%
Defense 45 Fire Resistance Check: 0%
Spellpower 37 Electric Resistance Check: 0%
Damage 13.8 Nature Resistance Check: 0%
Fatigue 0% Spirit Resistance Check: 0%

Skills: Herbalism 2 ranks, Combat Training 3 ranks, Combat Tactics 2 ranks

Spells: Mage 4 Ranks-Arcane Bolt, Arcane Shield, Staff Focus, Arcane Mastery
Primal (Electric) 4 Ranks-Lightning, Shock, Tempest, Chain Lightning
Creation 1 Rank-Heal, 4 Ranks Glyphs-Glyph of Paralysis, Glyph of Warding, Glyph of
Repulsion, Glyph of Neutralization
1 Rank Spell Wisp
Spirit 1 Rank Mana Drain
Entropy-Vulnerability Hex, Affliction Hex, Misdirection Hex

Note: Irving's Arcane Bolt restores VERY QUICKLY!! He can practically do quick draw tricks with this spell!

Okay, that is all I have on him. Hopefully that will go into the note files for some of you lovely authors and help you tweak your writing where Irving is concerned. Happy fan-fiction writing!

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Ah, it seems that we will play a human again in DA3. :(

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First time through the game with rivalry Anders.

I miss happier, friendlier Anders. Maker, he's a catty, short-tempered b**** on the rivalry path. We're on barely on act 2 and there's been a lot of yelling. The strangest part is that rivalry Hawke can, especially if not romancing Anders, be quite civil in his/her criticism. My favorite blondie abomination's the one doing all the shouting ><

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Gyrefalcon wrote...

Justice seems more like the opposite though, "No you can't get drunk anymore, what do you mean you want to date Hawke?!" But we all know Justice was curious after seeing Kristof's memories as to what it would be like to love someone, to care for someone and be cared for in the same way. It is a glimpse into the domain of a different spirit without getting your nose slapped. (Although, if you are merciful, use prostitutes, ladies of the evening, or anything other than hooker. It was my family name and it is hard to suffer from having "Hooker's girls" shortened to "hooker's". We get more flack than the descendents of Benedict Arnold. *sigh*)


Ack, sorry, obviously I didn't know. Let's do this medieval-style and call 'em wenches then!

And yeah, I know Justice would never do any such thing, but I just had a "what if" moment. Probably phrased my sentence wrong; it's not that it gives me a new perspective on Justice, it's that I imagined him behaving like that for a moment.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

First time through the game with rivalry Anders.

I miss happier, friendlier Anders. Maker, he's a catty, short-tempered b**** on the rivalry path. We're on barely on act 2 and there's been a lot of yelling. The strangest part is that rivalry Hawke can, especially if not romancing Anders, be quite civil in his/her criticism. My favorite blondie abomination's the one doing all the shouting ><


Yep. It's not a pleasant experience, by any means Posted Image But then that's what Justice does to him: all of his emotions are x10, and there's no middle ground in sight.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

First time through the game with rivalry Anders.

I miss happier, friendlier Anders. Maker, he's a catty, short-tempered b**** on the rivalry path. We're on barely on act 2 and there's been a lot of yelling. The strangest part is that rivalry Hawke can, especially if not romancing Anders, be quite civil in his/her criticism. My favorite blondie abomination's the one doing all the shouting ><


Ugh, you have my condolences. It is possible to role-play rivalry Hawke as a compassionate soul who is doing it "for his own good."  It is *not* possible for Anders to understand that. Seeing the pain he goes through, especially in Act 3, is heart breaking.

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For me, personally, I think the whole rivalry romance is just idiotic. I have always been the one to see things as you either love them or hate them, no middle ground. Sure, you may not agree on everything, but hating someone for being who he or she is but yet loving him or her, does not make sense.

Rival romancing them seems as though you are trying to change them to allow them to be what you want them to be and just not accepting who they are. Take Anders, you rival romance him so you can show him the error of his ways. However, the fact is, his ways do not change, all that happens is he becomes more of an **** especially towards you. Even during the friendship line Anders seems to understand that his choice to merge with Justice was the wrong way to go.

My choice to allow my Hawke to be with Anders is because loves him for pretty much everything he stands for. She may not agree on his choice to merge with Justice, but it happened. I am not going to be the scolding mother, wagging my finger in his face to tell him he was wrong.


On another note, I do agree (and always believed) that part of the reason Anders merged with Justice was because he no longer would be lonely. That does not however answer the full reason as to the why of it all.

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Cantina wrote...


For me, personally, I think the whole rivalry romance is just idiotic. I have always been the one to see things as you either love them or hate them, no middle ground. Sure, you may not agree on everything, but hating someone for being who he or she is but yet loving him or her, does not make sense.

Rival romancing them seems as though you are trying to change them to allow them to be what you want them to be and just not accepting who they are. Take Anders, you rival romance him so you can show him the error of his ways. However, the fact is, his ways do not change, all that happens is he becomes more of an **** especially towards you. Even during the friendship line Anders seems to understand that his choice to merge with Justice was the wrong way to go.

My choice to allow my Hawke to be with Anders is because loves him for pretty much everything he stands for. She may not agree on his choice to merge with Justice, but it happened. I am not going to be the scolding mother, wagging my finger in his face to tell him he was wrong.


On another note, I do agree (and always believed) that part of the reason Anders merged with Justice was because he no longer would be lonely. That does not however answer the full reason as to the why of it all.


I rather assume that the rivalry romance is a fiery "opposites attract".  I think Anders' line of "I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you" sums it up.  It isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I'm glad it is there for those who enjoy it. 

And yes, I agree that there is probably more to the tale of why Anders merged with Justice.  I am wandering back through Origins so I will watch for more cues.  I know in my first playthrough I was encouraging some sort of resolution to the problem since Justice was not sure if he would be able to return to the Fade once Kristof's body deteriorated too far and hinted that he might be destroyed.  But it has been long and long since then.  Does anyone else have a more recent playthrough of Awakenings that would perhaps shed some extra light on our favorite apostate's past?

Oooh, Flemeth is confirmed as returning in DA3!
http://www.vg247.com...s-large-levels/

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Gyrefalcon wrote...

Cantina wrote...


For me, personally, I think the whole rivalry romance is just idiotic. I have always been the one to see things as you either love them or hate them, no middle ground. Sure, you may not agree on everything, but hating someone for being who he or she is but yet loving him or her, does not make sense.

Rival romancing them seems as though you are trying to change them to allow them to be what you want them to be and just not accepting who they are. Take Anders, you rival romance him so you can show him the error of his ways. However, the fact is, his ways do not change, all that happens is he becomes more of an **** especially towards you. Even during the friendship line Anders seems to understand that his choice to merge with Justice was the wrong way to go.

My choice to allow my Hawke to be with Anders is because loves him for pretty much everything he stands for. She may not agree on his choice to merge with Justice, but it happened. I am not going to be the scolding mother, wagging my finger in his face to tell him he was wrong.


On another note, I do agree (and always believed) that part of the reason Anders merged with Justice was because he no longer would be lonely. That does not however answer the full reason as to the why of it all.


I rather assume that the rivalry romance is a fiery "opposites attract".  I think Anders' line of "I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you" sums it up.  It isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I'm glad it is there for those who enjoy it. 

And yes, I agree that there is probably more to the tale of why Anders merged with Justice.  I am wandering back through Origins so I will watch for more cues.  I know in my first playthrough I was encouraging some sort of resolution to the problem since Justice was not sure if he would be able to return to the Fade once Kristof's body deteriorated too far and hinted that he might be destroyed.  But it has been long and long since then.  Does anyone else have a more recent playthrough of Awakenings that would perhaps shed some extra light on our favorite apostate's past?

Oooh, Flemeth is confirmed as returning in DA3!
http://www.vg247.com...s-large-levels/


I'm not one bit surprised Flemeth will be in DA3 at all, she is like the Teresa for the Fable Series.

Well hey, if peeps enjoy the rivlary romance, that is their game. I however will chose to remain in the back, shaking my head and still not understanding what sense there is in it.

I sure the hell hope we get more about Anders in DA3, or even a crumb is better then nothing. A year to go before we have the answer.

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It is possible to role-play rivalry Hawke as a compassionate soul who is doing it "for his own good."  It is *not* possible for Anders to understand that. Seeing the pain he goes through, especially in Act 3, is heart breaking.


That's what ends up distressing me most.  I suppose it shouldn't have surprised me when Anders went off at me just for some flippant attempt at humor, but it did.  On the flip side, it IS nice being able to call him on his bull for a change.

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Rival romancing them seems as though you are trying to change them to allow them to be what you want them to be and just not accepting who they are. Take Anders, you rival romance him so you can show him the error of his ways. However, the fact is, his ways do not change, all that happens is he becomes more of an **** especially towards you. Even during the friendship line Anders seems to understand that his choice to merge with Justice was the wrong way to go. 


I'd say that Anders is actually the exception rather than the rule when it comes to rivalry romance.  Merrill, Fenris, and Isabela all change significantly on the rivalry paths, romanced or not.  I'd say that Merrill and Fenris are actually wiser and better-adjusted people in their rivalry versions.  Hawke says during The Long Road that "friends sometimes push."  That's the idea behind a rivalry relationship, and I think with the exception of Anders, most rivalry in-game portrays the positive elements pretty well.

That being said, I can't handle Anders' rivalry romance.  I think it's fascinating and well-written, but it's just too much emotional pain, for both Hawke and Anders, for me to enjoy it for what it is.  For this playthrough where I'm rivaling Anders, I'm shacking up with that sexy pirate queen and never looking back ^_^

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I'd say that Anders is actually the exception rather than the rule when it comes to rivalry romance.  Merrill, Fenris, and Isabela all change significantly on the rivalry paths, romanced or not.  I'd say that Merrill and Fenris are actually wiser and better-adjusted people in their rivalry versions.  Hawke says during The Long Road that "friends sometimes push."  That's the idea behind a rivalry relationship, and I think with the exception of Anders, most rivalry in-game portrays the positive elements pretty well.

That being said, I can't handle Anders' rivalry romance.  I think it's fascinating and well-written, but it's just too much emotional pain, for both Hawke and Anders, for me to enjoy it for what it is.  For this playthrough where I'm rivaling Anders, I'm shacking up with that sexy pirate queen and never looking back ^_^

Exactly.

I can rival anyone else (except Varric) and enjoy it. As you say, rival Fenris and Merrill actually seem to benefit from it, and it's kinda fun trolling Isabela. I too opted to romance Isabela on my "rival Anders" playthrough.

I don't know if her romance has *quite* as much content as the others, but I did find it to be a lot of fun. For somebody with her fear of commitment, she has a shocking lack of emotional baggage.

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I wonder how many people have done the same thing: rivalling Anders and romancing Isabela as an anaesthetic of sorts. The count is at three so far.

berelinde wrote...

I don't know if her romance has *quite* as much content as the others, but I did find it to be a lot of fun. For somebody with her fear of commitment, she has a shocking lack of emotional baggage.


Doesn't the fact that she's a commitment-phobe preclude the existence of emotional baggage? If she doesn't want to commit, then presumably, she wouldn't get attached. Ergo, no baggage. Clearly, that doesn't always work, as her involvement with Hawke can show, but it seems like it's a genuine first for her.

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I will say, that if you want a chance to call Anders out without hurting your standing with him, the Legacy DLC is great. One, *spoiler here* if you take him with you, you will have to fight him a bit as yet another being tries to crash the party in Anders' head. Two, at the end you can say that maybe the Chantry hasn't been teaching all lies and perhaps there is a real reason mages are feared. And he decides to reflect on it. After all the trouble of dealing with him in Act III, I have to say, it is a nice tension release to tell him off a bit. ^-^

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That is one of the major reasons I am unable to rival romance Anders, cause when you do, the game basically "thinks" your supporting the Templars, even if you are not.

As for telling Anders the Chantry was not lying, well I never can do that, cause who the hell knows what The Chantry is saying be it truth or a lie. The only thing the Chantry cares about is not losing their religion and assume that if they do not do what they do to Mages it will be gone.

Man, that got me riled up, think I'll load DA2 and watch the Chantry explode (again) just to make me feel better. But first, I shall pop some popcorn. Maybe even roast a marshmallow over Elthina's charred corpse.

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Gyrefalcon wrote...

I will say, that if you want a chance to call Anders out without hurting your standing with him, the Legacy DLC is great. One, *spoiler here* if you take him with you, you will have to fight him a bit as yet another being tries to crash the party in Anders' head. Two, at the end you can say that maybe the Chantry hasn't been teaching all lies and perhaps there is a real reason mages are feared. And he decides to reflect on it. After all the trouble of dealing with him in Act III, I have to say, it is a nice tension release to tell him off a bit. ^-^

That dialogue at the end of Legacy ticked me off because the paraphrasing didn't work for me. I thought that Anders was talking, as you said, about the Chantry being right about the origins of darkspawn, so I chose the "Maybe they're right" option. What Hawke said was something along the lines of "I guess the Chantry is justified," which isn't what I wanted to say. Since then, I've been choosing the "That changes nothing" dialogue choice, which makes Hawke say "Even if it is true, it's no excuse to imprison mages for 1000 years," which worked a lot better for that Hawke. The parapharse system still needs some work, it seems.

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berelinde wrote...

Gyrefalcon wrote...

I will say, that if you want a chance to call Anders out without hurting your standing with him, the Legacy DLC is great. One, *spoiler here* if you take him with you, you will have to fight him a bit as yet another being tries to crash the party in Anders' head. Two, at the end you can say that maybe the Chantry hasn't been teaching all lies and perhaps there is a real reason mages are feared. And he decides to reflect on it. After all the trouble of dealing with him in Act III, I have to say, it is a nice tension release to tell him off a bit. ^-^

That dialogue at the end of Legacy ticked me off because the paraphrasing didn't work for me. I thought that Anders was talking, as you said, about the Chantry being right about the origins of darkspawn, so I chose the "Maybe they're right" option. What Hawke said was something along the lines of "I guess the Chantry is justified," which isn't what I wanted to say. Since then, I've been choosing the "That changes nothing" dialogue choice, which makes Hawke say "Even if it is true, it's no excuse to imprison mages for 1000 years," which worked a lot better for that Hawke. The parapharse system still needs some work, it seems.


I have to agree about the paraphrasing. The worse I came across was speaking to Anders after "Dissent."

I chose: "I'll always be here for you" as the dialogue option. Hawke says instead, "We got rid of Ser Alrik right? Meridith will look downright reasonable in comparison." My reaction was "WTF does that have do with what I just clicked on!"

IMO too when you tell someone "I love you" be nice if the icon was a heart and not the damn green leaf.

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Nilfalasiel wrote...
Doesn't the fact that she's a commitment-phobe preclude the existence of emotional baggage? If she doesn't want to commit, then presumably, she wouldn't get attached. Ergo, no baggage. Clearly, that doesn't always work, as her involvement with Hawke can show, but it seems like it's a genuine first for her.


She does have baggage due to her previous marriage.  But it's baggage of a different sort, and IMO much easier to sort out than, say, spirit possession :lol:

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I have to agree about the paraphrasing. The worse I came across was speaking to Anders after "Dissent." 


Yeah, I'm finding more and more that the paraphrasing could be better, even if the icon system helps give me a general idea of what'll come out of Hawke's mouth.  Still a move in the right direction from Mass Effect.  ME3's dialogue paraphrases were fairly straightforward, but the game had so much damn autodialogue and so few options that it's akin to cutting off your finger to fix a papercut.

The worst are the triple arrow ones that give no indication of tone, only that they'll continue the conversation vs ending it.  Some are based off your diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive tone, some aren't, some are bugged, it's a mess.  

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Cantina wrote...
I have to agree about the paraphrasing. The worse I came across was speaking to Anders after "Dissent." 


Yeah, I'm finding more and more that the paraphrasing could be better, even if the icon system helps give me a general idea of what'll come out of Hawke's mouth.  Still a move in the right direction from Mass Effect.  ME3's dialogue paraphrases were fairly straightforward, but the game had so much damn autodialogue and so few options that it's akin to cutting off your finger to fix a papercut.

The worst are the triple arrow ones that give no indication of tone, only that they'll continue the conversation vs ending it.  Some are based off your diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive tone, some aren't, some are bugged, it's a mess.  


I liked how the dialogue was set-up in Origins, simple and straight-forward. Granted your character did not talk but at least the conversations were not a mess.

Speaking of mess it also is annoying that you have to play around with the extra dialogue options in order for the conversation to make sense. Its like a damn puzzle.

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Cantina wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Cantina wrote...
I have to agree about the paraphrasing. The worse I came across was speaking to Anders after "Dissent." 


Yeah, I'm finding more and more that the paraphrasing could be better, even if the icon system helps give me a general idea of what'll come out of Hawke's mouth.  Still a move in the right direction from Mass Effect.  ME3's dialogue paraphrases were fairly straightforward, but the game had so much damn autodialogue and so few options that it's akin to cutting off your finger to fix a papercut.

The worst are the triple arrow ones that give no indication of tone, only that they'll continue the conversation vs ending it.  Some are based off your diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive tone, some aren't, some are bugged, it's a mess.  


I liked how the dialogue was set-up in Origins, simple and straight-forward. Granted your character did not talk but at least the conversations were not a mess.

Speaking of mess it also is annoying that you have to play around with the extra dialogue options in order for the conversation to make sense. Its like a damn puzzle.




   *Did not mean to rile feathers, but does approve of making popcorn and loading a save +5*

     I saved very often, not because of the battles but because the dialogue wheel options were so VASTLY different from what was actually said.  Origins gave you no hint of tone, but the reactions to the lines were what you expected.  A lot of DA2 drove me nuts in much the same way many of you are pointing out. 

     That said, although I don't agree that the Chantry is correct in its treatment of mages, the Legacy storyline showed that some of their teachings may well be based off of actual events and not metaphoric archtypes or whatnot as Anders likes to think.  Even so, I can't imagine the demons are not thinking up new ways to invade mage's minds or get into our world (or at least the helpful blood mages are coming up with creative ideas for them a.k.a. Kerran).  Thus, it does not make sense to put mages on such a short leash that they can not defend themselves or others.  

      Moreover, if the Chantry were going with mages living a life of service such as healing the sick and wounded, helping destroy darkspawn raiders, and making useful items for everyday life, they would have a positive focus for their work and would have less desire to run off and get themselves or others hurt in their desperation.  But somehow I think that would make it a Mercedes Lackey book rather than the Dragon Age we know.  Heh.

     Does anyone know if we get to play on the mage side of the conflict yet or is Inquisition a templar sided game.  (Don't start panicking, I am just asking as I have not heard.  I do know that they are promising segments of the game to be as long as the entire DA2.)

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So...I met Adam Howden today and asked him about his work for Bioware. I'm afraid that all I got out of him was that he wouldn't be allowed to say if were doing any recording for them, but that he would jump at the chance...
Got a nice signed Anders pic, though.

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Gyrefalcon wrote...
     Does anyone know if we get to play on the mage side of the conflict yet or is Inquisition a templar sided game.  (Don't start panicking, I am just asking as I have not heard.  I do know that they are promising segments of the game to be as long as the entire DA2.)


I do not know, but I would be MOST disappointed if it is a templar-sided game.  I would think they'd have to have the protagonist somewhere in the middle, or one that is able to switch sides due to what he/she experiences in the game.  The only way I could see myself, say, playing a templar is that he/she is rather innocent of what goes on in the Order/Circle.  Perhaps they were raised in the Chantry, like Alistair.  After taking vows, he/she goes out into the world and soon realizes, nope, all that he/she had learned was 1-sided and the injustices stack up until he/she becomes at least mage-sympathetic, if not pro-mage.  Or, perhaps the templar started developing some affinity to magic and is like, WTH, am I suppose to fear/suppress myself?

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hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Gyrefalcon wrote...
     Does anyone know if we get to play on the mage side of the conflict yet or is Inquisition a templar sided game.  (Don't start panicking, I am just asking as I have not heard.  I do know that they are promising segments of the game to be as long as the entire DA2.)


I do not know, but I would be MOST disappointed if it is a templar-sided game.  I would think they'd have to have the protagonist somewhere in the middle, or one that is able to switch sides due to what he/she experiences in the game.  The only way I could see myself, say, playing a templar is that he/she is rather innocent of what goes on in the Order/Circle.  Perhaps they were raised in the Chantry, like Alistair.  After taking vows, he/she goes out into the world and soon realizes, nope, all that he/she had learned was 1-sided and the injustices stack up until he/she becomes at least mage-sympathetic, if not pro-mage.  Or, perhaps the templar started developing some affinity to magic and is like, WTH, am I suppose to fear/suppress myself?



As far as I am aware the third game the only race you will be allowed to play is a human. As for classes, same as before, mage, warrior or rogue.





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I take what was said in the "Legacy" expansion with a grain of salt. It MAY be true that Mages DID try infiltrate The Golden City. However who is to say The Chantry was not behind it or even more of the story needs to be told.

That however does not excuse the fact Mages have been mistreated for far too long and what makes it worse is The Chantry did not seem to care. Sure the Divine tried to step in, but it was too little too late.

In my opinion it boils down to:if they lose the Mages they lose a massive source of revenue. In order to keep that going, they use the whole "Mages are dangerous." When you find a mine filled with gold, you tell lies to keep your source hidden.

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Sable Rhapsody

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Just finished the Anders rivalry playthrough.  It's a mercy killing him there at the end when he realizes how much of him is lost to Vengeance.  My character sided with the mages, but I did try the ending where you side with the templars and force Anders to help.  It's possibly the worst thing I've ever done to a character :crying:

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I take what was said in the "Legacy" expansion with a grain of salt. It MAY be true that Mages DID try infiltrate The Golden City. However who is to say The Chantry was not behind it or even more of the story needs to be told.

That however does not excuse the fact Mages have been mistreated for far too long and what makes it worse is The Chantry did not seem to care. Sure the Divine tried to step in, but it was too little too late.

In my opinion it boils down to:if they lose the Mages they lose a massive source of revenue. In order to keep that going, they use the whole "Mages are dangerous." When you find a mine filled with gold, you tell lies to keep your source hidden.


I'd say anything anyone says in-game should be taken with a grain of salt, whether it's dialogue or codex, Chantry or mage or qunari.  Hell, for that matter you could say all of DA2 is up in the air with an unreliable narrator.

IMO unless a piece of codex or information is clearly meant to persuade (Anders' manifesto, some of the codices on demons, etc.), it's largely accurate, or as accurate as its writer/speaker can make it.  BioWare put a lot of word resources into building up their world--I don't think they'd throw inaccurate information around willy-nilly just to get us to sympathize with one side or another.

Of course the Chantry lies, intentionally or otherwise, but I think there has to be at least an element of truth to their creation myth.  The same could be said of the elves or dwarves.  The truth, as usual, probably lies somewhere in between.

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To be honest EVEN if magisters did try to enter Golden City I do not see it as a horrible offence. Not the one you have to punish every living being for.

To add a calm note to the discussion. The artist never heard about DA and (I am sure) would be deeply offended by misuse of her picture but I can not help but to think about Anders looking at this:
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Amirit wrote...

To add a calm note to the discussion. The artist never heard about DA and (I am sure) would be deeply offended by misuse of her picture but I can not help but to think about Anders looking at this:


That's a beautiful picture. It really does remind you of Anders. :)

Modifié par Lurockia, 28 octobre 2012 - 06:20 .