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[berelinde]

I always save MotA for post-Justice Act 3. By then, I'm starting to get depressed about Anders's constant gravity and I find his newfound playfulness a welcome relief.

Never got the ME reference, but then, I don't play ME, so it would be surprising if I did. I just thought it was Prosper being expansive. The belt isn't bad, though.

[Nilfalasiel]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

LOL.  Thanks.  I think I missed it because on my playthroughs I was too busy going, "Hawke, WTF ARE YOU WEARING WHYYYYYYYY"

Hah. Yes, the default clothes are awful. I've gone and modded them to a lovely black outfit to get rid of the eyesore.

berelinde wrote...

I always save MotA for post-Justice Act 3. By then, I'm starting to get depressed about Anders's constant gravity and I find his newfound playfulness a welcome relief.

Never got the ME reference, but then, I don't play ME, so it would be surprising if I did. I just thought it was Prosper being expansive. The belt isn't bad, though.

Justice is the very last quest I do before starting The Last Straw. Just so I have to spend as little time as possible with full-on Janders  It also makes more sense to me from a timing standpoint: Anders looks like he's making short term preparations, and it seems more like Hawke simply doesn't have time to react that way, rather than being blissfully oblivious.

As for the ME reference, it's simply a horribly-written line from one of the romance scenes in ME2. It was so bad that it reached meme status, and BW obviously realised this.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 15 novembre 2012 - 05:21 .

[berelinde]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

LOL.  Thanks.  I think I missed it because on my playthroughs I was too busy going, "Hawke, WTF ARE YOU WEARING WHYYYYYYYY"

Hah. Yes, the default clothes are awful. I've gone and modded them to a lovely black outfit to get rid of the eyesore.

berelinde wrote...

I always save MotA for post-Justice Act 3. By then, I'm starting to get depressed about Anders's constant gravity and I find his newfound playfulness a welcome relief.

Never got the ME reference, but then, I don't play ME, so it would be surprising if I did. I just thought it was Prosper being expansive. The belt isn't bad, though.

Justice is the very last quest I do before starting The Last Straw. Just so I have to spend as little time as possible with full-on Janders  It also makes more sense to me from a timing standpoint: Anders looks like he's making short term preparations, and it seems more like Hawke simply doesn't have time to react that way, rather than being blissfully oblivious.

As for the ME reference, it's simply a horribly-written line from one of the romance scenes in ME2. It was so bad that it reached meme status, and BW obviously realised this.

The outfit for guys is OK. I kind of like the soft grayish purple. I would totally mod it if I played more female Hawkes, though. They have some really pretty dress swaps you can use.

I understand about postponing Justice, but I can't bring myself to do it because every time you click on him, he says "I need to talk to you soon, somewhere private." It makes me feel as if I'm neglecting him. I know, I know, if you click on him outside the Hawke estate or his clinic, he says "I think we should focus on the task at hand" instead, but if you click on him at home or in the clinic, he says "Your support has meant the world to me," which is kinda nice. I do the first two parts of the quest and postpone the third part until quite late, though, usually right before Best Served Cold, which I do right before the Last Straw. Act 3 is so short, I figure it's over in a matter of days, anyway.

[Deviant Ingredient]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
I got the comment on all my playthroughs, but it may depend on the size of the wyvern, I'm not sure. Mine were always alphas.

LOL.  Thanks.  I think I missed it because on my playthroughs I was too busy going, "Hawke, WTF ARE YOU WEARING WHYYYYYYYY"

I know right! Half the time it does even match her coloring. Not to mention that collar has got to be quite uncomfortable. It does show off her booty though. It is fun picking the sarcastic option on fashion. "I've just encountered some Ferelden Bann wearing the same outfit as me, I need to change immediately!"

Any sarcastic dialogue with the Comtess(?) is hilarious. Hawke can be such a troll. "Do you think your sons become an abomination?"

@berelinde: Don't worry, I feel like I'm negecting him too. If you wait to do the first main quest and you click on him he says something along the lines, "It still gives me a thrill to turn and see you beside me."

Modifié par Deviant Ingredient, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:15 .

[berelinde]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

@berelinde: Don't worry, I feel like I'm negecting him too. If you wait to do the first main quest and you click on him he says something along the lines, "It still gives me a thrill to turn and see you beside me."

The first main quest? Do you mean before you go home and read your mail? Because it seems as if every time I click on him before doing anything else, he still tells me that I need to talk to him. Maybe my game is glitching out. I've had issues where I'll get entries in my codex without ever getting the popup telling me that they've been added.

[Deviant Ingredient]

berelinde wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

@berelinde: Don't worry, I feel like I'm negecting him too. If you wait to do the first main quest and you click on him he says something along the lines, "It still gives me a thrill to turn and see you beside me."

The first main quest? Do you mean before you go home and read your mail? Because it seems as if every time I click on him before doing anything else, he still tells me that I need to talk to him. Maybe my game is glitching out. I've had issues where I'll get entries in my codex without ever getting the popup telling me that they've been added.

Yeah, I don't read the mail right away. I tend to go off and do quests that are outside like Finding Nathaniel.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

I know right! Half the time it does even match her coloring. Not to mention that collar has got to be quite uncomfortable. It does show off her booty though. It is fun picking the sarcastic option on fashion. "I've just encountered some Ferelden Bann wearing the same outfit as me, I need to change immediately!"

After the first playthrough of MoTA with my manHawke, I realized I needed a fashion mod stat for FemHawke, so she has a nice, pretty, off-the-shoulder crimson dress.

As for the Justice quest, I do it early as possible in Act 3 so I can enjoy the rest of Act 3 (such as it is) without Anders constantly prodding me.  It's like, "Yes, love, I understand you want to commit an act of terrorism on principle or somesuch, but I REALLY need to do this random fetch quest!"

[Deviant Ingredient]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

I know right! Half the time it does even match her coloring. Not to mention that collar has got to be quite uncomfortable. It does show off her booty though. It is fun picking the sarcastic option on fashion. "I've just encountered some Ferelden Bann wearing the same outfit as me, I need to change immediately!"

After the first playthrough of MoTA with my manHawke, I realized I needed a fashion mod stat for FemHawke, so she has a nice, pretty, off-the-shoulder crimson dress.

As for the Justice quest, I do it early as possible in Act 3 so I can enjoy the rest of Act 3 (such as it is) without Anders constantly prodding me.  It's like, "Yes, love, I understand you want to commit an act of terrorism on principle or somesuch, but I REALLY need to do this random fetch quest!"

I'm a PS3 player so no mods for me. What you see is what you get.

I now play it pretty early so I can get the Champion armor quickly and then look even more like a badass in the DLC's. Too bad we have to wait till Act 3 to get it, the shortest of the acts.

[hobbit of the shire]

I just finished Dissent and am rivalling Anders. Should I tell him to go away? Will I miss a lot of stuff before he does the big kaboom? Am I still able to interact with him? I'm not really ever taking him along as a companion, but I do want to experience rivalry dialogue. Seems odd for my pro-templar rogue to want him to stay when given the choice.

[Sable Rhapsody]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

I just finished Dissent and am rivalling Anders. Should I tell him to go away? Will I miss a lot of stuff before he does the big kaboom? Am I still able to interact with him? I'm not really ever taking him along as a companion, but I do want to experience rivalry dialogue. Seems odd for my pro-templar rogue to want him to stay when given the choice.

You will miss out on all his Act 3 stuff except the Chantry if you tell him to leave.

I know it sounds weird, but it's actually a great story arc if you stick with him during Act 3 with Rival Hawke.  I just did it, and while it's depressing as hell, you get the sense that Hawke starts to break through to him.  Too late, but for what it's worth, completing his Act 3 stuff as a rival is the only way to see him fight back against Vengeance.

[Nilfalasiel]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

You will miss out on all his Act 3 stuff except the Chantry if you tell him to leave.

I know it sounds weird, but it's actually a great story arc if you stick with him during Act 3 with Rival Hawke.  I just did it, and while it's depressing as hell, you get the sense that Hawke starts to break through to him.  Too late, but for what it's worth, completing his Act 3 stuff as a rival is the only way to see him fight back against Vengeance.

Well, YMMV. In my Rival playthrough, Hawke refused to sneak into the Chantry. I just couldn't think of a good reason why a pro-Templar, Rivalled, unromanced Hawke who's always been suspicious of Anders would want to help him do something clearly dodgy, especially after being lied to. As a result, I never got the "Justice takeover" moment, and Anders' pre-execution speech was all about "Justice and I are one". Then again, I guess you could say that refusing to distract the Grand Cleric counts as not completing the Act 3 storyline...

In any case, this particular configuration just makes Anders look angrier, more stubborn and more desperate. And no one to break through to him  

[hobbit of the shire]

Hmm, okay, I'll keep him, with the thought that a mage under my nose is better than a mage gone rogue. :-D

I wish they had more nuances in the dialogue. Since I have Bethany (playing a rogue), despite being pro-templar, I'm not totally anti-mage. Just with the mindset that they are vunerable to domination and that any blood magic no matter what the reason is evil. So, while being favorable of the Circle, I prefer my sister NOT be there, and so I was protecting her from going in there. She was a normal good-intentioned mage, but no extreme hard feelings when she did go. However, any blood magic behavior is cause for capture/tranquility. Anti-Alrik but pro-templar. It's hard to choose dialogue, though. There's not a lot of subtlety in the choices.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Then again, I guess you could say that refusing to distract the Grand Cleric counts as not completing the Act 3 storyline...

In any case, this particular configuration just makes Anders look angrier, more stubborn and more desperate. And no one to break through to him  

You do HAVE to complete Justice in Act 3 as rival Hawke to get all of Anders' dialogue and character development.  IMO it sort of makes sense, since Anders interprets anything short of that as a personal betrayal.  Because he's, like, a crazy person 

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...
It's hard to choose dialogue, though. There's not a lot of subtlety in the choices.

Yeah.  It's pretty much 100% pro-mage, 100% pro-templar, or exactly 50% in the middle.  There's no way to do a character like yours who's, say, 70% pro-templar for lack of a better way of putting it.  You can certainly vary what you do in quests so that the AGGREGATE adds up to more-or-less pro-templar with some pro-mage, but in each individual quest, there's just the three options.

[Gyrefalcon]

berelinde wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

To be honest I was always curious on how Anders wasn't captured in Act 2. In Act 3 it was clear it was because he was friend/lover to the Champion but in 2 they just sort of let him walk around, even Cullen is aware he's a mage. The only thing I can think of is perhaps they thought he was useful in helping the refugees? They knew where he was and simply kept tabs on him as long as he remained a healer? Hawke I figured they either weren't clear on her being a mage yet or since she had helped the templars with some stuff despite how risky it would be for her so they just kept tabs on her as well. I know in Act 1 Cullen states how he's been hearing "disturbing rumors" about Hawke and how he hopes they aren't true.

As for Corypheus, do you think he'll have any role in DA3? I'd hate for him to never appear after being such a big deal since he's an ancient magister and all.

I got the feeling that Anders's immunity was a combination of the refugees and Varric. There's a banter in Act 2 where Anders asks Varric if he has had anything to do with the recent lack of templar activity near his clinic and Varric denies it in a very unconvincing way. And Darktown isn't a particularly safe place to be if you are wearing anything sellable, such as armor or weapons. If you were Cullen, how many templars would you send to capture a well-guarded apostate in the absolute worst part of town who isn't actually hurting anyone?

I believe we are forgetting the wealth taken from the Deep Roads.  Anders clearly did not spend his cut on new digs and a new wardrobe.  That money may have gotten a lot of Templars to turn their heads.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Gyrefalcon wrote...
I believe we are forgetting the wealth taken from the Deep Roads.  Anders clearly did not spend his cut on new digs and a new wardrobe.  That money may have gotten a lot of Templars to turn their heads.

Did your companions actually get a cut of the Deep Roads wealth?  I mean, I get the impression that Hawke is very generous to friends and would certainly be willing to share out of his/her own cut, but does it say anywhere in-game that the deal Hawke struck with Bartrand and Varric also applies to your other party members?

[Nilfalasiel]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Did your companions actually get a cut of the Deep Roads wealth?  I mean, I get the impression that Hawke is very generous to friends and would certainly be willing to share out of his/her own cut, but does it say anywhere in-game that the deal Hawke struck with Bartrand and Varric also applies to your other party members?

Varric isn't Bartrand. I'm pretty sure the initial deal was off as soon as Bartrand decided to leave them in that temple/shrine/whatever it was. So while it doesn't say in-game that other companions got a cut of the wealth, I think it's only reasonable and fair that the ones that did actually go to the Deep Roads should get at least something. I don't think Varric would find that unreasonable, especially in the case of Anders, who did get them maps. There wouldn't even have been an expedition without him. His importance goes up even more if Carver/Bethany were present, because then, he's instrumental in saving their life as well. Far as I'm concerned, he's wholly entitled to a third of the share.

The problem here is that there is nothing in the game to suggest this, and I view it as yet another oversight. Surely it couldn't have been difficult to add a couple lines of dialogue between Hawke and Varric to discuss what to do with the wealth? (straight after the Rock Wraith would've been good)

As for what he would do with the money, I would expect him to spend it all on supplies and refurbishments for his clinic, funds to help runaway mages escape (to pay off leeches like Samson), and maybe relief for the other refugees. Nothing overly fancy, so as not to attract too much attention, but he certainly wouldn't spend a copper on himself.

[berelinde]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Gyrefalcon wrote...
I believe we are forgetting the wealth taken from the Deep Roads.  Anders clearly did not spend his cut on new digs and a new wardrobe.  That money may have gotten a lot of Templars to turn their heads.

Did your companions actually get a cut of the Deep Roads wealth?  I mean, I get the impression that Hawke is very generous to friends and would certainly be willing to share out of his/her own cut, but does it say anywhere in-game that the deal Hawke struck with Bartrand and Varric also applies to your other party members?

We're never told how much Hawke got out of he Deep Roads. It was more than 50gp, enough more to buy back the family mansion. Since you get 8gp just for delivering an amulet to Sundermount, I can only assume that it was a lot more.

This is all just speculation, but I figure that Bartrand took the idol and ran. He got more coin from the Wardens who paid him for the location of the thaig later, but since he is said to have left his entire expedition down there to die, I don't imagine that he took much out with him. Since Bodahn and Sandal made it out and since Varric knows that Bartrand abandoned his expedition, I can only assume that Hawke rescued the expedition on his way out after delivering Carver (or Bethany) to Stroud. They would have not have been able to take out more of the thaig's vault contents than they could carry on their backs, but there's nothing to say that they did not go back for the rest at a later date. If Hawke, Varric, and Anders did rescue the porters from the first expedition, they would probably have no difficulty hiring them on to go back to pick up the loot. As for how the party divvied up the proceeds after that point, that's between you and your headcanon, but mine splits the post-adventure profit five ways: one part for each of the four party members on the adventure (after expenses), and one part to be divided among anyone who didn't go.

Anders may very well have bribed a few templars to look the other way, but if he did it that way, I don't think he'd do so directly. In Act 2, he's pretty sure that the templars still don't know where he lives. If he was payig them hush money, he would not be able to make that claim.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
The problem here is that there is nothing in the game to suggest this, and I view it as yet another oversight. Surely it couldn't have been difficult to add a couple lines of dialogue between Hawke and Varric to discuss what to do with the wealth? (straight after the Rock Wraith would've been good).

That makes sense.  Anders probably spends his whole cut on replacement feathers for his outfit.  Silly feathers 

[Cantina]

I doubt Anders handed out his share of the treasure from the Deep Roads to have the Templars look the other way. In Act 2 he becomes paranoid do to the Templars searching the refugee camps. Its possible they were searching for Anders but who knows really. My guess he probably handed it out to the poor people and/or he hid it away for a rainy day. Anders has spent a good portion of his life on the run, I am sure he knows how to get coin, how to spend it and how to hide it. I am sure he used his charms to get free stuff from people too.

I suppose its best to fill in the large number of blanks with your own Hawke's story/ideas.

[Gyrefalcon]

Cantina wrote...


I doubt Anders handed out his share of the treasure from the Deep Roads to have the Templars look the other way. In Act 2 he becomes paranoid do to the Templars searching the refugee camps. Its possible they were searching for Anders but who knows really. My guess he probably handed it out to the poor people and/or he hid it away for a rainy day. Anders has spent a good portion of his life on the run, I am sure he knows how to get coin, how to spend it and how to hide it. I am sure he used his charms to get free stuff from people too.

I suppose its best to fill in the large number of blanks with your own Hawke's story/ideas.

Good point.  I thought it might have been to help with the mage underground railroad, but I guess we can hope he hoarded it to make a quick escape with Hawke when the heat got too high, eh?   

[BevH]

I agree that the outfit for f!Hawke in MotA is horrible. Even Talis looks more feminine. That said, I found a mod and this is the dress I chose for my Hawke to wear:


I agree that Anders didn't pay off the templars. I think the conversation in question that Varric has, though, is about the Coterie coming around.

[esper]

Cantina wrote...


I doubt Anders handed out his share of the treasure from the Deep Roads to have the Templars look the other way. In Act 2 he becomes paranoid do to the Templars searching the refugee camps. Its possible they were searching for Anders but who knows really. My guess he probably handed it out to the poor people and/or he hid it away for a rainy day. Anders has spent a good portion of his life on the run, I am sure he knows how to get coin, how to spend it and how to hide it. I am sure he used his charms to get free stuff from people too.

I suppose its best to fill in the large number of blanks with your own Hawke's story/ideas.

Well, he would properly be paranoid even if he had bribed all the templars. This is Anders we are talking about.

My canon Hawke would definetly have split the money in some way, but I do imagine that Anders properly used his on the mage underground/ medicine for the refugees.

[Nilfalasiel]

BevH wrote...

I agree that the outfit for f!Hawke in MotA is horrible. Even Talis looks more feminine. That said, I found a mod and this is the dress I chose for my Hawke to wear:

*dress-snip*

Oo, very nice! Which mod is this? Also, does the dress exist in other colours? I really like the style, but I'm not excessively fond of white.

[Cantina]

BevH wrote...

I agree that the outfit for f!Hawke in MotA is horrible. Even Talis looks more feminine. That said, I found a mod and this is the dress I chose for my Hawke to wear:


I agree that Anders didn't pay off the templars. I think the conversation in question that Varric has, though, is about the Coterie coming around.

Yeah that is a thousand times better then what you get as default in the game. I felt like a giant ass grape walking around. Also that damn Hue Heftner outfit your female Hawke wears while she is in the mansion is pretty damn bad too.

Modifié par Cantina, 24 novembre 2012 - 07:49 .

[BevH]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

BevH wrote...

I agree that the outfit for f!Hawke in MotA is horrible. Even Talis looks more feminine. That said, I found a mod and this is the dress I chose for my Hawke to wear:

*dress-snip*

Oo, very nice! Which mod is this? Also, does the dress exist in other colours? I really like the style, but I'm not excessively fond of white.

It's called Ashara Party dress for MotA. Here's the link: http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/3205

Yes, it comes in different colors and also a couple of different styles. It also inclues a different style or two for M!Hawke as well.