Cute comic! And I agree, I'd like to know where the expression "knicker weasels" came from. (Which I might regret later, of course.) And I *really* wanted a DLC that let you switch out Malcom's Staff with something else. Did that thing come from the Chantry? If not, why the heck would he carve something like that? And if you play a female Hawke, it looks like the thing is as big as a flagpole and as unwieldy. It's as if the whole "let's make the swords more impressive by making them larger" got applied to the staves here in a bad way! Adding in the naked Andraste on top only made it seem like something even less wholesome than a flagpole was being dragged around. Yick.
Now, since Andraste was burned, perhaps her clothes burned off first and that is how they like to, er, immortalize her in art. But, it really seemed like an inappropriate choice for an apostate mage to have as a personal staff. Or perhaps he hid in plain sight as the head of the local Chantry entrance procession on holy days? I just don't get it. Does anyone else?
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Posté 03 décembre 2012 - 12:29
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Malcolm was supposed to have made the staff himself. I figured he was a bit on the pervy side. Or he possessed an off-beat sense of humor that let him appreciate the irony of walking around with the Maker's bride in that position. Which would make it even funnier to give the staff to Anders in Act 2 so he could accuse Sebastian of walking around with Andraste's face on his crotch with that strapped to his back.
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Posté 03 décembre 2012 - 10:39
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Ha, ha, that comic.
The problem with Malcom is that he changes personality after Hawke's dominant tone, so there isn't really one Malcom either.
But that comic really highlighted it for me. The really do take Andraste's name in vain a lot in Thedas, don't they?
The problem with Malcom is that he changes personality after Hawke's dominant tone, so there isn't really one Malcom either.
But that comic really highlighted it for me. The really do take Andraste's name in vain a lot in Thedas, don't they?
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Posté 03 décembre 2012 - 10:56
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Regarding Malcolm's personality as a derivative of Hawke's tone, there's a lot of wiggle room. Have you ever played a Hawke who was mostly snarky with strangers, but very sensitive and sincere with her family? Or a Hawke who was polite and respectful in public, but comfortable enough to joke around with her intimate friends? The faces people show to the world might not be the only ones they own.
That doesn't mean that there is only one Malcolm or that he was a closet jester regardless of headcanon! That's just how I like to think of him. I should probably get into the habit of prefacing everything with "In my opinion."
That doesn't mean that there is only one Malcolm or that he was a closet jester regardless of headcanon! That's just how I like to think of him. I should probably get into the habit of prefacing everything with "In my opinion."
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Posté 03 décembre 2012 - 11:57
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berelinde wrote...
Regarding Malcolm's personality as a derivative of Hawke's tone, there's a lot of wiggle room. Have you ever played a Hawke who was mostly snarky with strangers, but very sensitive and sincere with her family? Or a Hawke who was polite and respectful in public, but comfortable enough to joke around with her intimate friends? The faces people show to the world might not be the only ones they own.
That doesn't mean that there is only one Malcolm or that he was a closet jester regardless of headcanon! That's just how I like to think of him. I should probably get into the habit of prefacing everything with "In my opinion."
No, ;Malcom can't have the same personality. I am not saying he is one diminsional either, but I per Mark of the Assasin how he raised his kids was wildly different. Also per legecay how he wooved Leandra (or perhaps what Leandra would be attracted, which would make her personality relative too).
My canon Hawke is polite (diplomatic) on the surface, only ever jokes
when she is totally relaxed (which is rarely) since she doesn't get
close to people, oh and disagree wiht her and you might want to run very
fast. So, yes, I know you example.
Malcom simply acted differently towards his family, so your Hawke example is not really valid since it is the intimate sphere and not the persona, the face we show the world, we are talking about here.
Malcom is a person I hope bioware never tries to characterize deeper, because I imagine there is as many Malcoms as there are Hawke.
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Posté 04 décembre 2012 - 01:35
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I don't want this to turn into an argument, but it's possible that parents act differently around their children than they do when they are alone together. Intimate sphere or not, most children aren't really capable of truly appreciating their parents until they're in their 20s (some never do). Malcolm could have been quite the joker when he and Leandra were alone (or whatever other personality Leandra says that he had), but he might have been very responsible and serious around (or when talking about) their children because he was the dad. We're only given about three minutes of ghostly voices in Legacy, so that probably isn't enough to contradict anybody's headcanon.
My point was not that Malcolm always had a sense of humor or that my interpretation of a character who died three years before the story starts is any more valid than anybody else's. We're all different, and our Hawkes and their families are, too... even if they are mostly diplomatic except around close friends.
Anyway, I've got a feeling that there's a misunderstanding going on. Maybe I'm not being clear enough or maybe I'm misreading what you're writing. In any case, I don't think either of us is really saying that somebody else's opinion is wrong.
My point was not that Malcolm always had a sense of humor or that my interpretation of a character who died three years before the story starts is any more valid than anybody else's. We're all different, and our Hawkes and their families are, too... even if they are mostly diplomatic except around close friends.
Anyway, I've got a feeling that there's a misunderstanding going on. Maybe I'm not being clear enough or maybe I'm misreading what you're writing. In any case, I don't think either of us is really saying that somebody else's opinion is wrong.
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Posté 05 décembre 2012 - 03:10
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Hmm... I am actually not entirely sure we disagree so much.
My main point is that he acted differently towards Hawke depending on Hawke's dominant tone that I doubt that he is has a stone set characterzation or one personality.
It is also different with Leandra, but that can actually be her having a fluid characterzation and not him. (Since the subject is what attracted her to him/ first impressions).
I don't think I can explain what I mean clearer than that.
My main point is that he acted differently towards Hawke depending on Hawke's dominant tone that I doubt that he is has a stone set characterzation or one personality.
It is also different with Leandra, but that can actually be her having a fluid characterzation and not him. (Since the subject is what attracted her to him/ first impressions).
I don't think I can explain what I mean clearer than that.
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Posté 05 décembre 2012 - 11:05
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I'm in the boat that Andraste's story is not what the chantry claims it too be and with that my theory is she was a mage.
On the subject of differences of personaility with people, my Hawke had a variety. She was kind, funny and patient to those in need and those who got on her nerves felt her wrath. My Hawke had zero tolerance for the Templars, Meredith and the Chantry, when the chance came up she give em an ear full.
As with Anders, she was far more patient with him then anyone else and would stand up for him and with him no matter if it was family, friend or foe.
On the subject of differences of personaility with people, my Hawke had a variety. She was kind, funny and patient to those in need and those who got on her nerves felt her wrath. My Hawke had zero tolerance for the Templars, Meredith and the Chantry, when the chance came up she give em an ear full.
As with Anders, she was far more patient with him then anyone else and would stand up for him and with him no matter if it was family, friend or foe.
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Posté 06 décembre 2012 - 08:24
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Cantina wrote...
I'm in the boat that Andraste's story is not what the chantry claims it too be and with that my theory is she was a mage.
I'm all over the place when it comes to the Chantry. I don't think they have it entirely wrong--the Black City, the darkspawn, the corrupt Old Gods, and even the magisters of old undeniably exist. How all that ties in with the Maker and the Golden City is up for interpretation.
But Andraste's story gets pretty damn murky. I always wanted to know what those scrolls on Maferath from that sidequest in DA:O contained. I bet anything having to do with Maferath is probably akin to apocryphal segments of the Bible IRL. Could be very interesting. And one day I'd like to read an account of Andraste from the elves' perspective.
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 05:28
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I haven't been here for a while, but I started replaying DA2 recently and am fangirling over Anders all over again.
Then I saw this on facebook and thought of y'all:
(Link: sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/381702_413686968699631_2131048268_n.jpg)
I just played Legacy and MoTA for the first time; they hadn't come out when I last played the game. Anders's dialogue is so great in both of them ("...all about the best way to show my gratitude"!). I came away wishing that Hawke had more romance-specific references in the way she responds to him, though. After he lost it in Legacy, I really wanted Hawke to go help him up and give him a hug, or at least say something to indicate concern!
Poor tortured woobie.
Then I saw this on facebook and thought of y'all:
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I just played Legacy and MoTA for the first time; they hadn't come out when I last played the game. Anders's dialogue is so great in both of them ("...all about the best way to show my gratitude"!). I came away wishing that Hawke had more romance-specific references in the way she responds to him, though. After he lost it in Legacy, I really wanted Hawke to go help him up and give him a hug, or at least say something to indicate concern!
Poor tortured woobie.
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 10:06
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I haven't been here for a while, but I started replaying DA2 recently and am fangirling over Anders all over again.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 10:41
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That pic 
I wish I had a kitty to head boop. Alas, I am allergic. O CRUEL FATE!
Gah, I know. Romanced Hawke's reaction felt so inadequate after the Legacy breakdown! If any BW character ever deserved hugs, it's Anders, and he doesn't get a single one.
On the other hand, that MotA rescue fantasy banter is definitely pure gold.
Here's something I've always been wondering about, apologies if it's already been discussed. Why is Anders the only romanceable character (I don't know anything about Sebass, but he doesn't count as an LI for me anyway) who doesn't get a kiss before the final battle with Meredith? Is it because you still have the option to break things off with him at that point?
After playing through both Fenris' and Isabela's romances, I get the sneaky feeling that they somehow rationed their kisses: every single one of them (Anders included) gets 3. I don't know about Merrill, but I'm willing to bet it's the same. Maybe they didn't want to look like they were favouring Anders, especially in the light of endgame events. It would be a silly explanation, but I'd buy it.
On the other hand--and I really don't like this idea, but I can't deny that it's crossed my mind--maybe they were intending to show that the Justice takeover was more permanent than simply helping blow up the Chantry, and thus the relationship with Hawke had also been affected. I don't think Justice ever feels more than gratitude towards Hawke, and I don't think he's at all interested in physical displays of affection, so...
Ugh, I really hope that's not the reason. And if it is, it's all the more incentive for me to want Justice kicked out with a steel-capped boot.
I wish I had a kitty to head boop. Alas, I am allergic. O CRUEL FATE!Thaedriel wrote...
I just played Legacy and MoTA for the first time; they hadn't come out when I last played the game. Anders's dialogue is so great in both of them ("...all about the best way to show my gratitude"!). I came away wishing that Hawke had more romance-specific references in the way she responds to him, though. After he lost it in Legacy, I really wanted Hawke to go help him up and give him a hug, or at least say something to indicate concern!
Poor tortured woobie.
Gah, I know. Romanced Hawke's reaction felt so inadequate after the Legacy breakdown! If any BW character ever deserved hugs, it's Anders, and he doesn't get a single one.
On the other hand, that MotA rescue fantasy banter is definitely pure gold.
Here's something I've always been wondering about, apologies if it's already been discussed. Why is Anders the only romanceable character (I don't know anything about Sebass, but he doesn't count as an LI for me anyway) who doesn't get a kiss before the final battle with Meredith? Is it because you still have the option to break things off with him at that point?
After playing through both Fenris' and Isabela's romances, I get the sneaky feeling that they somehow rationed their kisses: every single one of them (Anders included) gets 3. I don't know about Merrill, but I'm willing to bet it's the same. Maybe they didn't want to look like they were favouring Anders, especially in the light of endgame events. It would be a silly explanation, but I'd buy it.
On the other hand--and I really don't like this idea, but I can't deny that it's crossed my mind--maybe they were intending to show that the Justice takeover was more permanent than simply helping blow up the Chantry, and thus the relationship with Hawke had also been affected. I don't think Justice ever feels more than gratitude towards Hawke, and I don't think he's at all interested in physical displays of affection, so...
Ugh, I really hope that's not the reason. And if it is, it's all the more incentive for me to want Justice kicked out with a steel-capped boot.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 01:22
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Rivalry Anders forced to side with the templars gets a kiss. It's as kiss goodbye.
This is just my opinion, naturally, but it seems to me as if friendly, mage-siding Anders is riding an ideological high at that particular moment. He is expansive and thinking globally, not about Hawke. The way it plays out in my head, he kicks himself later for being insensitive and not kissing Hawke, but that realization doesn't come until later. He has been suffering oppression all his life and knows that generations of mages before him have suffered it, too. The revolution to end it has finally begun and against all expectation, he has been spared. He may actually live to see a world where mages aren't enslaved for being born different and he is giddy with the thought of it. So yeah, it would have been great if he had remembered to kiss Hawke, but I can forgive him for getting a bit distracted.
This is just my opinion, naturally, but it seems to me as if friendly, mage-siding Anders is riding an ideological high at that particular moment. He is expansive and thinking globally, not about Hawke. The way it plays out in my head, he kicks himself later for being insensitive and not kissing Hawke, but that realization doesn't come until later. He has been suffering oppression all his life and knows that generations of mages before him have suffered it, too. The revolution to end it has finally begun and against all expectation, he has been spared. He may actually live to see a world where mages aren't enslaved for being born different and he is giddy with the thought of it. So yeah, it would have been great if he had remembered to kiss Hawke, but I can forgive him for getting a bit distracted.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:27
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berelinde wrote...
Rivalry Anders forced to side with the templars gets a kiss. It's as kiss goodbye.
Yeah, I know about that one, but since it only occurs in very specific conditions (and because
), I don't count it.This is just my opinion, naturally, but it seems to me as if friendly, mage-siding Anders is riding an ideological high at that particular moment. He is expansive and thinking globally, not about Hawke. The way it plays out in my head, he kicks himself later for being insensitive and not kissing Hawke, but that realization doesn't come until later. He has been suffering oppression all his life and knows that generations of mages before him have suffered it, too. The revolution to end it has finally begun and against all expectation, he has been spared. He may actually live to see a world where mages aren't enslaved for being born different and he is giddy with the thought of it. So yeah, it would have been great if he had remembered to kiss Hawke, but I can forgive him for getting a bit distracted.
That makes sense, it's just that he seems rather composed during the conversation, all things considered. Still, I like this better than it being the effect of Justice's influence.
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Posté 10 décembre 2012 - 04:41
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Hello, all! As someone stated before me, I haven't been here in a little while, too. But my Anders love is still strong...what with my computer wallpaper and even the background image on my email client being a certain brown eyed mage...
*drifts in happy thoughts for a moment, then shakes herself*
Sorry...okay, so, as to why I'm here again. I am currently writing a DA2 fiction and I need a beta reader. I have/had a rather awesome one, but her studies are weighing heavily and I am not comfortable asking her to do this while she has a ton of stuff to concentrate on. I've got 8 chapters currently written, working on the 9th, and lots more to come! I'm mainly looking for someone that can spot awkward sentences, will tell me if something doesn't make sense, and question things that I might not have sufficiently explained or left loose ends hanging. I'm fairly good at catching my own spelling and grammar mistakes, although some might slip through...especially if it's something that I wrote late at night.
If anyone is interested, just drop me a PM here. Thanks in advance!
And just because this page needs more sexy mages...
more beautiful artwork by GIVEthemHORNS
*drifts in happy thoughts for a moment, then shakes herself*
Sorry...okay, so, as to why I'm here again. I am currently writing a DA2 fiction and I need a beta reader. I have/had a rather awesome one, but her studies are weighing heavily and I am not comfortable asking her to do this while she has a ton of stuff to concentrate on. I've got 8 chapters currently written, working on the 9th, and lots more to come! I'm mainly looking for someone that can spot awkward sentences, will tell me if something doesn't make sense, and question things that I might not have sufficiently explained or left loose ends hanging. I'm fairly good at catching my own spelling and grammar mistakes, although some might slip through...especially if it's something that I wrote late at night.
If anyone is interested, just drop me a PM here. Thanks in advance!And just because this page needs more sexy mages...
more beautiful artwork by GIVEthemHORNS
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Posté 10 décembre 2012 - 03:39
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Gorgeous pic.
Welcome, Caeleinn! I wish I could help, but I'm too swamped with RL to write much myself, anymore.
Recently, I did a playthrough with a Fenris rivalry-romancing Hawke, the first one I have ever been able to complete the game with (I have a lot of trouble not flirting with Anders), and I discovered something I never knew before. Two things. The first is that after Dissent, Anders's Act 2 Questioning Beliefs is totally awesome as a friend but not lover. The things he says are just amazing. The second thing I noticed is that apart from that one dialogue, Anders is really not much fun unless you're romancing him. I did not expect him to be a second Varric, but I was really hoping that he and Hawke could have more of a bromance. I guess that settles it. Romanced Anders only from here on out!
Welcome, Caeleinn! I wish I could help, but I'm too swamped with RL to write much myself, anymore.
Recently, I did a playthrough with a Fenris rivalry-romancing Hawke, the first one I have ever been able to complete the game with (I have a lot of trouble not flirting with Anders), and I discovered something I never knew before. Two things. The first is that after Dissent, Anders's Act 2 Questioning Beliefs is totally awesome as a friend but not lover. The things he says are just amazing. The second thing I noticed is that apart from that one dialogue, Anders is really not much fun unless you're romancing him. I did not expect him to be a second Varric, but I was really hoping that he and Hawke could have more of a bromance. I guess that settles it. Romanced Anders only from here on out!
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Posté 10 décembre 2012 - 10:27
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The first is that after Dissent, Anders's Act 2 Questioning Beliefs is totally awesome as a friend but not lover. The things he says are just amazing.
You mean this dialogue?
www.youtube.com/watch
I agree totally. I wish the romance scenes were lines added on to rather than replacements for the friendship dialogue. <_<
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 12:29
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Uh. I've never seen that dialogue before. I always romance Anders, even if I have a fling with Fenris first. That is awesome dialogue. I need to remember that I can use some of those in my story...when I get to that bit.
@berelinde, I totally understand. The first 3 chapters are beta'd and revised already; I may just go ahead and post it up on ff.net and see if anyone on there might have time and inclination to help me out with the rest of it.
@berelinde, I totally understand. The first 3 chapters are beta'd and revised already; I may just go ahead and post it up on ff.net and see if anyone on there might have time and inclination to help me out with the rest of it.
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Hello, all! As someone stated before me, I haven't been here in a little while, too. But my Anders love is still strong...what with my computer wallpaper and even the background image on my email client being a certain brown eyed mage...
*drifts in happy thoughts for a moment, then shakes herself*
Sorry...okay, so, as to why I'm here again. I am currently writing a DA2 fiction and I need a beta reader. I have/had a rather awesome one, but her studies are weighing heavily and I am not comfortable asking her to do this while she has a ton of stuff to concentrate on. I've got 8 chapters currently written, working on the 9th, and lots more to come! I'm mainly looking for someone that can spot awkward sentences, will tell me if something doesn't make sense, and question things that I might not have sufficiently explained or left loose ends hanging. I'm fairly good at catching my own spelling and grammar mistakes, although some might slip through...especially if it's something that I wrote late at night.
And just because this page needs more sexy mages...
more beautiful artwork by GIVEthemHORNS
Here it is:http://social.biowar.../1329163/241262
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 12:26
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You mean this dialogue?
www.youtube.com/watch
I agree totally. I wish the romance scenes were lines added on to rather than replacements for the friendship dialogue. <_<
That dialogue is, indeed, awesome, namely because it does so many things that simply go under the radar in a romance: it gives an unmistakable indication of what exactly Anders is planning to do (he speaks of overthrowing the Chantry; I don't think he ever mentions this in a romance), it lets him explain just how terrible the Circle was (which would be an especially important perspective for a non-mage Hawke), and, last but not least, it lets you give him some real encouragement and hear some genuine gratitude in return.
Oh, how I wish we could properly mod this game and somehow make this dialogue available to a romanced Anders as well
Something similar was done with Zevran in DAO, where one of his friendly replies was better than the romanced one. But alas!
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 05:37
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Nilfalasiel wrote...
Thaedriel wrote...
You mean this dialogue?
www.youtube.com/watch
I agree totally. I wish the romance scenes were lines added on to rather than replacements for the friendship dialogue. <_<
That dialogue is, indeed, awesome, namely because it does so many things that simply go under the radar in a romance: it gives an unmistakable indication of what exactly Anders is planning to do (he speaks of overthrowing the Chantry; I don't think he ever mentions this in a romance), it lets him explain just how terrible the Circle was (which would be an especially important perspective for a non-mage Hawke), and, last but not least, it lets you give him some real encouragement and hear some genuine gratitude in return.
Oh, how I wish we could properly mod this game and somehow make this dialogue available to a romanced Anders as well
W-O-W! That was some great stuff and I never caught it before! Thanks for sharing it! Hearing that he really meant to lead the charge of a rebellion, rather than just making a statement that got out of hand gives it a very different feel. It always felt like Anders was flailing around, trying to come up with some way to help mages but not having a real long-term plan of what to do. Here it implies that he has been thinking it through rather than just obsessing. And the dialogue of how you wouldn't say something to just make him feel better, thus he knows you really mean it...well, it makes a friendship only run with everyone seem like a much more attractive option! Those comments that he believes he can do something worthwhile despite Vengeance raging inside of him because of you, those are heady words indeed. We really need to see him heading things up in DA3 whether as Anders or Vengeance. This is his fight after all. He should be there.
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 08:13
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That's what we get for always playing the romance, I guess. I'm not sure that one dialogue is worth abstaining, though. Such a pity that you can't access that branch on the romance path, too.
(sigh)
I guess that's what fanfic is for.
(sigh)
I guess that's what fanfic is for.
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 11:02
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Headcanon: that conversation still occurs, but offstage, as pillow talk. Over a sandwich. 
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 11:19
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Thaedriel wrote...
Headcanon: that conversation still occurs, but offstage, as pillow talk. Over a sandwich.
This. Though not with rivalry. That same non-romanced conversation with Rival!Hawke is still interesting, but considerably less cheerful. It's the point at which Anders first starts to really doubt himself.
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 11:44
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Thaedriel wrote...
Headcanon: that conversation still occurs, but offstage, as pillow talk. Over a sandwich.
*Urdnot Shaman voice*: I like this human, she understands.
