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[_- Songlian -]

berelinde wrote...

Hi Songlian! Glad you found your way here!

Yeah, those rejection lines are pretty harsh. But a player who sets the poor guy up like that is probably looking for some blunt put-downs. I only did that once. I wanted to have a Hawke who banged everybody in the game, so he slept with and then broke up with Fenris, Isabela Merrill, and Anders in turn. He originally dumped Anders, too, but I developed a conscience halfway through and reloaded. That was the Hawke who rival romanced Anders to the end. It was a miserable experience.

Hi, b!

Yeah, I have yet to play the douchebag needed to dump Anders like that, and not reload. It's express dump city. 

[MisterJB]

This should be the right place to ask. In a Rivalry path with Anders, should the player choose to not distract the Grand Cleric for him, will the conversation where Hawke almost convinces Anders his actions are wrong still be available or must I help him with his scheme?

[berelinde]

You have to distract the Grand Cleric for him if you want that conversation to happen.

If you complete all three parts of the Justice quest (drakestone, sela petrae, and distracting the Grand Cleric), you get his Act 3 Questioning Beliefs, which is the conversation you want. If you refuse to talk to Elthina, the quest ends and the QB is never made available. A templar-siding Hawke will be forced to kill him and will be unable to recruit him in the final battle.

[_- Songlian -]

You've probably seen this already, but just in case. There's a lengthy response to a few Anders questions on Mr. Gaider's tumblr.

Linky. 

[MisterJB]

Ah damn it. Oh well, thank you for the answer.

[berelinde]

Happy Holidays to the Anders thread!

[ReiKokoFuuu]

merry christmas, fellow anders- love rivals!

i've actually been lurking and reading this thread for the past several months, just never deined to post until today.

[Thaedriel]

From http://freakypenguin...508989#/d4hpebc

[berelinde]

Welcome, ReiKokoFuu! Thanks for delurking and Happy Holidays!

[Thaedriel]

This has probably been discussed somewhere in the last two thousand pages, but I'm curious and haven't found anything in the back pages I've read lately.

What do you think would happen to Anders in Tevinter? Let's say he and Hawke head over to drum up support for the mage rebellion or do "research" (Justice wouldn't let them just go on vacation, I'm guessing). Maybe Hawke drags him down there and shoves him into a library to look for a real spirit-evicting potion as punishment for lying about the first one.

Here are the references to Tevinter that I remember:

In the Tevinter Chantry Amulet conversation, he seems intrigued by the place. Also Fenris points out that with the right master and the ability to overlook blood magic, Anders would do quite well. Then, in Legacy, Anders gets pretty distraught over the possibility that the magisters really did run amok in the Black City, because the Chantry could be telling the truth and not just spreading lies to subjugate mages.

So, assuming Tevinter's reputation has been overstated and it's neither a mage paradise nor a society founded entirely on slaves, Anders could react to reality down there in a few ways.

1. Justice could freak out about magisters abusing their powers and Anders could go hell bent on reforming the Tevinter mages and freeing the slaves, thereby endearing himself to a whole new bunch of enemies.

2. Anders could try to rally the magisters to lead an army against the Chantry. Most likely scenario?

3. Anders could go power-mad and become a magister. I find this one a little hard to believe, since I think the altruistic healer-who-wouldn't-take-cash part of him is still in there. I still think it would be an interesting litmus test for Justice, though, because if he had totally transformed into Vengeance he wouldn't care about justice for the slaves as long as mages were free.

Anybody else have theories?

[hobbit of the shire]

Thaedriel wrote...

What do you think would happen to Anders in Tevinter?

Anders and Justice would both take quite an offense to the use of slaves in Tevinter, be it a small amount or a prevalence of slavery.  I don't think he'd want to drum up support for the mage resistance from the magisters because basically, they are basically like templars subjugating the mages (slaves).  Anders, who I strongly see as a person who cannot be forced to do something he doesn't want to do, would empathize with the slaves.  He'd cause some verbal trouble for Hawke but I don't see him actively getting involved in that conflict because he has the mage rebellion to think about.  Justice, on the other hand, might find the Tevinter situation equally as important as the mage situation.  After all, Justice isn't a mage, he is just possessing one, so I don't think he considers either cause to be more important, albeit he "knows" much more about the mage situation being he is inside a mage and has experienced it over a long period of time.

Now, in the above I separated the 2 entities.  Hybrid Anders will have a mix of the above, I think.  The Anders part of him will continue the mage rebellion.  The Justice part may get totally conflicted.  But seeing as both support the mage rebellion and Anders possibly not being so passionate about the slave cause, I could see:

1) He continues the mage cause, without magister help.  Maybe ask from support from disenfranchised mages in Tevinter or other people who are not slavers.
2) He totally goes bonkers because Justice can't handle ANOTHER huge injustice.  In that case, Hawke should stick a WHMIS symbol on Anders and run for his life.

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 29 décembre 2012 - 10:27 .

[hobbit of the shire]

Thaedriel wrote...


From http://freakypenguin...508989#/d4hpebc

Aww, shucks, I should've asked Santa for a sexy!Anders under the Christmas tree.  Next year, then!  I promise to be nice.:innocent:

Naughtiness comes after.

[berelinde]

^^ Oh, it will. Anders comes fully equipped with naughtiness galore.

[cowoline]

Okay I have a question. My darling little brother claims that in Origins (if you have Awakening installed) if you are a mage you can make a reference to Anders, in a conversation about mages with Alistair. So far I have found no evidence to support my brother's claim. Can anyone confirm this and if so tell me how to do it?

[ReiKokoFuuu]

i only completed one playthrough in origins, but since i was romancing alistair in that playthrough, i spoke to him as much as possible in camp, and i never heard him make a reference to anders before. if i remember correctly (i could be wrong, cos it's been a while), an npc in the mage origin refers to him, and there is another anders reference in the circle library in the 'broken circle' questline.

EDIT: i thought about it, and i'm not so sure if anders WAS referenced in the mage origin anymore (someone please correct me if i'm wrong >.>), but finn, who appears in the the witch hunt dlc, DOES refer to anders' infamous escape during the weekly exercise training.

Modifié par ReiKokoFuuu, 01 janvier 2013 - 04:36 .

[berelinde]

cowoline wrote...

Okay I have a question. My darling little brother claims that in Origins (if you have Awakening installed) if you are a mage you can make a reference to Anders, in a conversation about mages with Alistair. So far I have found no evidence to support my brother's claim. Can anyone confirm this and if so tell me how to do it?

I don't think there's a reference. There's a book somewhere in the library that has a drawing of a tiger in it (possibly called Ser Pounce-A-Lot), but that's about all I remember. Anders himself mentions many things that a mage Warden will find familiar, but I don't think Alistair knew him. Alistair did serve in the Circle Tower at some point, apparently. He says that he was forced to kill a mage who failed her Harrowing and it left him with a lot of resentment toward the templars, but he doesn't name names.

It's kind of odd, though. Alistair would have been at the Circle Tower while the Warden was there. He has been in the Wardens less than six months. Maybe he trained somewhere else, like Redcliffe, got transferred to the Tower, and got transferred out after the Harrowing. Then again, you have to wonder how much the mages voluntarily talk to templars. They're all just a bunch of anonymous guys in armor, but more importantly, they're guys whose attention the apprentices do not want to attract. Some of the templars do show an interest in the mages, according to Anders, but it doesn't seem to be the kind of interest you'd expect Alistair to show.

[BevH]

I don't think Alistair was actually assigned to the tower. There are many templars and not all of them are stationed within the tower. It's possible that Alistair was there that one time, which is the way it sounds, to show him what was expected of a templar during a Harrowing. As for Anders being mentioned in the mage origin, I've done it several times and I don't remember him being referenced. In fact, when helping Jowan, I always look in the cells in the basement for any sign that Anders would be there (there's none). ReiKokoFuuu is correct that Anders is mentioned in Witch Hunt and Anders himself mentions seeing you in Awakening.

[berelinde]

Yes, that's probable, Alistair being there only to witness a Harrowing as part of his training.

[hobbit of the shire]

It took me a while, but finally finished my pro-templar run, and I must say it was very unsatisfying. :-P Those romances are hard to trigger! I tried to be pro-templar and very anti blood magic. I wasn't anti-mage, but understood that mages were at risk of possession and anyone who used blood magic should be made tranquil. I had Bethany with me and was okay with hiding her because she was a "good" mage. Unhappy but not extremely depressed when she went to the Circle. Played a very anti-Anders Hawke, but didn't try to rivalmance him. I didn't find it "too" difficult to oppose him, as Hawke found him rather radical and needed to be kept in check. Supporting the templars, on the other hand, at the end was very difficult because there isn't a halfway choice. I wanted to definitely do a lockdown of the Circle yet I didn't want to obliterate every mage, either. I wanted to catch just the bad apples.  I tried to romance Isabela but I guess Hawke was to sl**ty, ha, so he ended up with no one. That really put a damper on Act III.

What I did realize in a pro-templar playthrough is that Cullen has some good bits at the end of the game. Now I know why there is a following for him.

That being said, I'm gonna go pro-mage if I play this again. Not necessarily romancing Anders (funny how I failed to romance anyone when I purposely wanted to romance someone besides Anders), but it was damn difficult being pro-templar!!!!

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 02 janvier 2013 - 03:57 .

[berelinde]

Congrats, hobbit! You are right. That is a very, very hard playthrough to get through. I've been playing two games in parallel, quest by quest, with one rabid pro-templar and one satisfyingly pro-mage to get the taste out.

You may find that you enjoy your next pro-mage run more than you think if you opt to romance someone besides Anders. Not saying that Anders's romance isn't worth repeating! It's just that his friendship Questioning Beliefs quests are quite good. I wish there was a way to get both: the hot kiss and the impassioned firebrand.

[cowoline]

berelinde wrote...

cowoline wrote...

Okay I have a question. My darling little brother claims that in Origins (if you have Awakening installed) if you are a mage you can make a reference to Anders, in a conversation about mages with Alistair. So far I have found no evidence to support my brother's claim. Can anyone confirm this and if so tell me how to do it?

I don't think there's a reference. There's a book somewhere in the library that has a drawing of a tiger in it (possibly called Ser Pounce-A-Lot), but that's about all I remember. Anders himself mentions many things that a mage Warden will find familiar, but I don't think Alistair knew him. Alistair did serve in the Circle Tower at some point, apparently. He says that he was forced to kill a mage who failed her Harrowing and it left him with a lot of resentment toward the templars, but he doesn't name names.

It's kind of odd, though. Alistair would have been at the Circle Tower while the Warden was there. He has been in the Wardens less than six months. Maybe he trained somewhere else, like Redcliffe, got transferred to the Tower, and got transferred out after the Harrowing. Then again, you have to wonder how much the mages voluntarily talk to templars. They're all just a bunch of anonymous guys in armor, but more importantly, they're guys whose attention the apprentices do not want to attract. Some of the templars do show an interest in the mages, according to Anders, but it doesn't seem to be the kind of interest you'd expect Alistair to show.

I must have not explained it right. It isn't Alistair that (according to my brother) makes the refference, but the mage warden. I didn't believe it was true, but I could have missed it of course.

[cowoline]

berelinde wrote...

Congrats, hobbit! You are right. That is a very, very hard playthrough to get through. I've been playing two games in parallel, quest by quest, with one rabid pro-templar and one satisfyingly pro-mage to get the taste out.

You may find that you enjoy your next pro-mage run more than you think if you opt to romance someone besides Anders. Not saying that Anders's romance isn't worth repeating! It's just that his friendship Questioning Beliefs quests are quite good. I wish there was a way to get both: the hot kiss and the impassioned firebrand.

I was wondering about that. I don't understand why they did not put the flirt simply at the end of the questioning beliefs in act II. I auctually felt I got to know him better as a friend than as a lover. That is just wrong!

[berelinde]

cowoline wrote...
I don't understand why they did not put the flirt simply at the end of the questioning beliefs in act II. I auctually felt I got to know him better as a friend than as a lover. That is just wrong!

Hmm, depending on how they wrote it, the could have been particuarly satisfying.

I think they tried to do it that way, or at least make it feel as if it was that way, but it could have gone on a little longer before you get to the kiss. Or a lot longer. Maybe that's because I always felt as if friend!Hawke was Anders's willing collaborator. Or my Hawke was, anyway. They fed off each other (my Hawke and Anders, not speaking for others), bolstering each other's courage and commitment to the cause. I ran a fairly radical pro-mage Hawke, and I could see them whipping each other up into a passion that was part sexual tension, part solidarity, and part mutual need.

[Caeleinn]

Just curious; is there a playlist of vids on youtube or somewhere else that might show a progression of just a friendship with Anders? I'd really like to hear that dialogue. I'm not sure I could convince myself to NOT make him my main squeeze. He's too...distracting, what with the hot kisses and such.


And just to throw in a very shameless plug...I finally posted the first chapter of the story I've been working on at fanfiction.net. Same user name as here. It's called Of Things Misplaced.

[Enkidu]

Caeleinn, I can't seem to find a full set. There are some pretty comprehensive Act II videos with just friendship, but that's about it. You could try FluffyNinjsLlama's channel. There's bloody near everything there.