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[SpiritMuse]

In friendship he is not taken over, he takes control to the point that he only loses himself when fighting Templars. Evidently Anders glows on lesser occasions on friendship path.

I got the sense that in both paths he starts losing himself to Justice, but in Friendship he doesn't mind/does it on purpose as he begins to see Justice and himself as the same person more and more, while in Rivalry he keeps seeing them as separate and it becomes more or less a split personality/hostile takeover on Justice's part.

[Lulupab]

I got the sense that in both paths he starts losing himself to Justice, but in Friendship he doesn't mind/does it on purpose as he begins to see Justice and himself as the same person more and more, while in Rivalry he keeps seeing them as separate and it becomes more or less a split personality/hostile takeover on Justice's part.

 

Not exactly, in friendship path Anders embraces who is and makes peace with Justice therefore he is able to control himself more often. According to codex "Thanks to Hawke's continued support as a friend (or lover if romanced) Anders is able to control the spirit within and losing controls only when fighting Templars". In friendship path its Anders himself who plans the chantry incident and he admits to it. In rivalry its hostile takeover by Justice because Anders have become very weak and has no will to go on. You could call him a psychopath actually, having a 2nd personality.

 

Personally I think rivalry is fine until act 2 but I find Anders act 3 rivalry very sad and sickening and I have only done it once to see how it goes. I never rival him ever since.

[Ryriena]

I tend to agree that he embraces himself a lot more, which is why Waynn also doesnt always do glowing things with herself.

[SpiritMuse]

But is that really not just another way of losing himself to Justice? He makes peace with the spirit, yes, and doesn't suffer hostile takeovers, but isn't that because he's just willingly submitting to Justice's influence more and more? Following Justice's ideals, and so Justice doesn't feel the need to take over because Anders is already doing what he wants. It's more giving himself to Justice instead of losing himself.

Either way Anders becomes less Anders and more Justice by the end.

[Ryriena]

Not really, since Wynne for an exmaple has a smilar spirit inside her and she is still herself than most people. She only lost herself once and that was at the urn quest, if I am not mistakin. She also uses that same spirit to save her friends life whom is also a Templar, but she was also protecting a reglious artifact that have ashes that belong to Andreste whom some say was a powerful MAGE.

[Lulupab]

In friendship Anders affects Justice as well, its like a 50/50 scenario where as in rivalry Justice is dominant.

[SpiritMuse]

I didn't see rivalry as Justice being dominant. Anders is still in control most of the time, he just doesn't cooperate with Justice the way he does in friendship. He can actually be convinced that planting the bomb in the chantry might be the wrong thing to do, and fights Justice's influence as much as he can. At the end, he can even be convinced to fight for the Templar side, with Justice, or Vengeance as he takes to calling him, "scrabbling inside like a mad beast," as he puts it, and he's still strong enough to do that without Justice taking over.

[Ryriena]

Which means Justice is becoming more dominant.... I also say most of the last parts of act three are somewhat out of charcter for him, I mean somehow; he comes at you with blood Mages in the templar ending if you give him his life and tell him too leave Kirkwall. They forget he hates Blood Mages and would NEVER side with Templars that easily..... So I really don't go with those ending scenes, as fact, since it felt VERY OOC for him.

[SpiritMuse]

If you have anything but 100% rivalry you can't get him to side with the Templars, not even at 100% friendship I believe. I think he takes it as a punishment, as well as realizing he might be better off deferring to Hawke's judgment over his own, seeing as how that lead to him blowing up the chantry and all.

I still don't see Justice as dominant. Sure, his influence becomes stronger, leading to a few more than questionable decisions, but Anders is still Anders most of the time. And as much as Justice (Vengeance) scrabbles for control in the ending, Anders wins out.

As for the blood mages, I think it's likely that survival and the battle for freedom trumps anything at that point. He doesn't protest if you make use of DuPuis' blood magic either, because it's just that important. Maybe he figures he'll deal with the blood mages later. But I haven't actually seen that part so I'm not quite sure,

[Ryriena]

double post

[Ryriena]

Justice becomes much more Dominant as he becomes much more of the focus. He does that with all mages even Idduna it's like the writers not realizing their own charcters personality beyond his own thought on things like that "He thinks that blood magic gives the mages a bad name" his words exactly, so he would never use the thing in question in battle.

[EverlastingFantasy]

Ander's is a sweetie but I went the rivalry fenris romance route with my warrior. I did enjoy how ander's was constantly commenting about me and fenris's relationship. It was hilarious. He was super jelly. ) 

[Gyrefalcon]

Dragon Age Keep is up and running.  You do have the option in the storyline of the Tapestry to have Anders be alive and well or for him to be dead.  So that end choice will make some kind of difference in the next game or else it wouldn't be there.  Any thoughts on the Dragon Age Keep options?

[SmilesJA]

I think whether Anders lives or dies will have a huge bearing on how the Mage Templar war plays out. The person or spirit you'll meet is either Anders or Vengence/Justice and I'm not sure how my Inquisitor will handle him when I see Vegeance or Anders.

[Ryriena]

I think whether Anders lives or dies will have a huge bearing on how the Mage Templar war plays out. The person or spirit you'll meet is either Anders or Vengence/Justice and I'm not sure how my Inquisitor will handle him when I see Vegeance or Anders.

I am going to be disgusted, if they go that route with him. To me that is going far beyond, what Anders would've wanted, further railrodeing character development for Justice. Which he would find as an injustice himself.

[SmilesJA]

Hey! It'll satisfy the Anders haters.

[NRieh]

So, now that the Keep is open I can finally talk. What a relieve.  

 

What bothers me is that strange and (still) unexplained tile about 'approving\disapproving' his actions. Same as with the 'friend-Cullen' we have no idea what exactly that Keep writer had in mind. E.g. is it even possible to disapprove and keep the romance&follow him into exile? Or does it mean that Hawke agrees with him? Does it have something to do with feeling the responsibility? It makes very little sense to me, especially since it's a separate from the 'murder knife' tile. I honestly have no idea what is it supposed to mean and how is it supposed to affect DAI.  

 

Another thing is the possibility of the world-state where Hawke

- romances Anders,

- disapproves his actions (whatever that means)

- sides with the Templars

- he's alive&well.

 

While we do not really know when and how he dies, it's confirmed that he does not survive. It does not look much like 'well and alive' to me. 

 

Discuss? 

[SmilesJA]

 

While we do not really know when and how he dies, it's confirmed that he does not survive. It does not look much like 'well and alive' to me. 

 

Discuss? 

 

Wait? Who said that?

[Lulupab]

So, now that the Keep is open I can finally talk. What a relieve.  

 

What bothers me is that strange and (still) unexplained tile about 'approving\disapproving' his actions. Same as with the 'friend-Cullen' we have no idea what exactly that Keep writer had in mind. E.g. is it even possible to disapprove and keep the romance&follow him into exile? Or does it mean that Hawke agrees with him?  It makes very little sense to me, especially since it's a separate from the 'murder knife' tile. I honestly have no idea what is it supposed to mean and how is it supposed to affect DAI.  

 

Another thing is the possibility of the world-state where Hawke

- romances Anders,

- disapproves his actions (whatever that means)

- sides with the Templars

- he's alive&well.

 

While we do not really know when and how he dies, it's confirmed that he does not survive. It does not look much like 'well and alive' to me. 

 

Discuss? 

 

I know right! Finally!!

 

Where is it confirmed that he does not survive?

 

Anyways, in friendship if you max the friend approval and possibly do his act 3 quest (he has to change his outfit I think) there will be a unique dialogue that doesn't appear otherwise, I posted an image showing that dialogue. If you choose this one Hawke somewhat approves of what Anders did.

 

[NRieh]

 

Wait? Who said that?

From what I remember it was DG. I wrote about it couple of posts before. Anders is never mentioned in the 'rival+templars' epilogue.  And that scene before the combat is very likely his farewell kiss to Hawke.  

[Lulupab]

From what I remember it was DG. I wrote about it couple of posts before. Anders is never mentioned in the 'rival+templars' epilogue.  And that scene before the combat is very likely his farewell kiss to Hawke.  

 

But he is mentioned in friendship+mages epilogue.

[NRieh]

 

But he is mentioned in friendship+mages epilogue.

I was talking about the possible rival+templars combo specifically. That way he is not mentioned in the epilogue even if romanced. 

[Lulupab]

I was talking about the possible rival+templars combo specifically. That way he is not mentioned in the epilogue even if romanced. 

 

The maybe he doesn't survive if we take that route. Not sharing Anders with Templar supporter scum 

[SmilesJA]

The only person who's dead in DAI is:

 

Spoiler

Wynne

[SpiritMuse]

I think the "approves/disapproves of his actions" tile is the friendship/rivalry toggle. It has some bearing on how his personality turns out in the end, how much he is in conflict with Vengeance. There is a similar tile for Varric.