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[Miri1984]

@Lady Dino Anders was NOT happy with the idea of sparing the architect from my understanding. The only one who actively approves of it is Nathaniel as far as I know (I've never taken Oghren down there so maybe he does too?)

[Kim Shepard]

Lady Dino wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

Lady Dino wrote...

Speaking of the Architect...

Anders was all for sparing him in DA:A but Justice, as it's been said, really wanted him dead. Although it's probably a moot point if you killed Archy, I wonder what their stand is on the affair now that they've merged.

On a side note, my warden was actually able to convince Justice to stay with me despite letting the slimy sob live. I swear he was so much more persuadable before.

...Seriously? Justice can be persuaded? The guide book lied to me! xD

I did bring Anders, and he was okay with it. I don't think they would go for it now, judging by their reactions to the Rock Wraith and Torpor.

Yeah he was upset but he let the warden do what she thought was best. He gets extra pissed when the Mother reveals that Archy started the blight but he never turned on me.

Well, that was nice of him. If I had known, I would have brought Justice along. At least I know for the next playthrough that my Warden decides to spare the Architect.

[Aeowyn]

Oghren is for sparing the Architect as well.

[SurelyForth]

yukidama wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Yeah I'm kinda surprised why some people are shocked that he would do that... I mean, if he blew up the chantry, then sided with you with the Templars, I think he'd be about the worst hypocrite ever in the history of... ever.

I guess people saw letting him go as being merciful and that he was ~throwing it away~ by going to fight for the mages? Or that by letting him live he should have been grateful and stuck by your side or something? I have no clue, but there's no amount of mental gymnastics that allows me to see Anders siding with templars to kill mages and annull the Circle.

I think if he had tried to, the other companions would have reacted...poorly.

Anders: Hey, guys. So I thought...well, I missed you and thought you could use some help.
Hawke: You're going to aid in the Rite of Annulment?
Anders: Maybe?
Aveline: **** no, you're not. Not after 7 YEARS of EVERY conversation being templars are horrible, this and mages are slaves, that.
Varric: She's right, Blondie. We did put up with a lot of your rhetoric.
Aveline: And the only tolerable thing about it was that at least you were sincere in your beliefs.
Aveline: Without that, you're just an ass.
Varric: And crazy.
Anders: Fine. Let's fi-
Fenris: *wipes off blade* It is done.

[Lucy Glitter]

Just came in to add my 2 pence.

Props to the writers for making conjuring such emotions in me when Anders did what he did. I officially hate him, and I think I will be executing him every playthrough. Shame, for I was planning to romance him next playthrough, but now that won't be happening. Or it might, but I will have to kill him and that would be difficult. Who knew Anders to be a terrorist? It's so sad... if only we could have saved him from Justice.

Anyway, that's all, really. A true shame Anders had come to that.

[Tasmen]

RinjiRenee wrote...

It shows how much conviction he has.  He wanted to help the defend the mages that he started the war over.

Oh I totally get it.  Just me as the player didn't like having to follow through with the killing is all.

[Tasmen]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Lady Dino Anders was NOT happy with the idea of sparing the architect from my understanding. The only one who actively approves of it is Nathaniel as far as I know (I've never taken Oghren down there so maybe he does too?)

I think I recall Oghren also thinking it was a very bad idea but at the same level of disagreement as say Justice.

Edit: to say nevermind...  I was wrong.

Modifié par Tasmen, 24 mars 2011 - 07:26 .

[Kawamura]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Just came in to add my 2 pence.

Props to the writers for making conjuring such emotions in me when Anders did what he did. I officially hate him, and I think I will be executing him every playthrough. Shame, for I was planning to romance him next playthrough, but now that won't be happening. Or it might, but I will have to kill him and that would be difficult. Who knew Anders to be a terrorist? It's so sad... if only we could have saved him from Justice.

Anyway, that's all, really. A true shame Anders had come to that.

Why not a terrorist? You keep pushing people into a corner, they react. Often violently.

It's a bit sad to see this word applied to him, because I've often seen it as a dehumanizer. It's not a person who is scared, or a person who is so convinced they're right, or a person that wants the world to change, or a person at all. It's a terrorist. It's no longer a human.

[DeaHamlet]

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Um... Towim on DevArt has done something... AMAZING... it's not NSFW, but only JUST. Um... I'll link just in case, but DAYUM, it's made my rather hideous morning worth living in:

Bashful

*minimizing screen at work*

Oh WOW!

*fans self*

Why do I torture myself at work?

I saw that earlier... I had to quickly minimize before my male coworkers would say something about no porn at work LMAO

[upsettingshorts]

People calling Anders a terrorist aren't dehumanizing him. They're calling a spade a spade.

And I agree with Lucy.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Kawamura wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Just came in to add my 2 pence.

Props to the writers for making conjuring such emotions in me when Anders did what he did. I officially hate him, and I think I will be executing him every playthrough. Shame, for I was planning to romance him next playthrough, but now that won't be happening. Or it might, but I will have to kill him and that would be difficult. Who knew Anders to be a terrorist? It's so sad... if only we could have saved him from Justice.

Anyway, that's all, really. A true shame Anders had come to that.

Why not a terrorist? You keep pushing people into a corner, they react. Often violently.

It's a bit sad to see this word applied to him, because I've often seen it as a dehumanizer. It's not a person who is scared, or a person who is so convinced they're right, or a person that wants the world to change, or a person at all. It's a terrorist. It's no longer a human.

Terrorists are still human... Humans are extremely flawed creatures.

[Addai]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Lady Dino Anders was NOT happy with the idea of sparing the architect from my understanding. The only one who actively approves of it is Nathaniel as far as I know (I've never taken Oghren down there so maybe he does too?)

Oghren and Velanna also.  I remember because I had one game where my party in the final was those two and Nate.  No one was a happy camper as we killed the fairy darkspawn.

[Kawamura]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People calling Anders a terrorist aren't dehumanizing him. They're calling a spade a spade.

And I agree with Lucy.

When you apply negative group terms to people I ... begin to get nervous.

It's a difficult one.

[Lucy Glitter]

Kawamura wrote...

Why not a terrorist? You keep pushing people into a corner, they react. Often violently.

It's a bit sad to see this word applied to him, because I've often seen it as a dehumanizer. It's not a person who is scared, or a person who is so convinced they're right, or a person that wants the world to change, or a person at all. It's a terrorist. It's no longer a human.

Sorry, but... he killed a place of sacred worship to achieve a war between two leading factions. That is a terrorist, by definition. It isn't dehumanising, it's just what it is and it doesn't make that person less of a person, it's just what they go by.

I still liked Anders, I find it sad it came to that. 

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People calling Anders a terrorist aren't dehumanizing him. They're calling a spade a spade.

And I agree with Lucy.

Exactly, and thank you.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Kawamura wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People calling Anders a terrorist aren't dehumanizing him. They're calling a spade a spade.

And I agree with Lucy.

When you apply negative group terms to people I ... begin to get nervous.

It's a difficult one.

But... he is a terrorist. He committed an act of terrorism. That's all it means.

Doesn't mean he isn't an awesome lovable character at other times.

[shaneho78]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People calling Anders a terrorist aren't dehumanizing him. They're calling a spade a spade.

And I agree with Lucy.

To the mages, he's a freedom fighter. 

[Sialater]

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

[DeaHamlet]

Qeilla wrote...

 *can't click the link because she's stuck at Uni* Stupid, stupid papers. *grumbles*

DeaHamlet wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Qeilla wrote...
I finally caught up with 150+ pages! Stupid term papers. Anyway I thought I'd share this video I made a few days ago, maybe a week, either way I've been in a daze since I beat DA2:Heavy in Your ArmsI'm working on another one at the moment with a rivalmance mage playthrough.My social life really does not approve of my obsession with Anders. (-.-)

o.O I saw that yesterday (your link doesn't work btw)... so sad, so very very sad.  But beautiful.It made me cry like a silly girl yesterday.

I also read this last night - since I couldn't bear to kill him. Very, well done.

OMG.  The video is from the person that wrote the fanfic of a templar siding mage/rivalromance with Anders that kills him at the end and whatnots?Oh my.  You stomped all over my heart and make me cry TWICE yesterday, the second time for like a half hour.  That writing is so beautiful but ACK broke my heart.  Broke it.  Poor Anders, poor poor Anders.*gets teary eyed again*

If you are talking about the fanfic on FF.net I didn't write it. I just made the video.I am horrible at fanfic since it's been so long that I've written anything besides my own orgianl works for NaNoWriMo. However I cracked and I'm writing a fic where Maria, my canon Hawke, gets Anders a cat. It's sort of lighthearted because we need happy Anders! Just for a bit at least. If only FF.net would let me upload it...

Oh.  well the video is awesome and it totally fits the story so BRAVA!

[Eydris Ivo]

DeaHamlet wrote...

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Um... Towim on DevArt has done something... AMAZING... it's not NSFW, but only JUST. Um... I'll link just in case, but DAYUM, it's made my rather hideous morning worth living in:

Bashful

*minimizing screen at work*

Oh WOW!

*fans self*

Why do I torture myself at work?

I saw that earlier... I had to quickly minimize before my male coworkers would say something about no porn at work LMAO

Yes, I saw this earlier and was

Then my husband walked in...<_<

And he was

[Kawamura]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Why not a terrorist? You keep pushing people into a corner, they react. Often violently.

It's a bit sad to see this word applied to him, because I've often seen it as a dehumanizer. It's not a person who is scared, or a person who is so convinced they're right, or a person that wants the world to change, or a person at all. It's a terrorist. It's no longer a human.

Sorry, but... he killed a place of sacred worship to achieve a war between two leading factions. That is a terrorist, by definition. It isn't dehumanising, it's just what it is and it doesn't make that person less of a person, it's just what they go by.

I still liked Anders, I find it sad it came to that. 

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People calling Anders a terrorist aren't dehumanizing him. They're calling a spade a spade.

And I agree with Lucy.

Exactly, and thank you.

Definitions are squirrely things. *shrugs* If I saw terrorist used more objectively, I would be more willing to use it. I don't. I see it as a dehumanizer. And dehumanizers give me pause.

It's a difficult thing.

[Anarya]

Anders just makes me really sad. I can't hate him. I can't forgive him either, but I can't hate him. He's so far gone ;_;

[upsettingshorts]

Good lord, it's like the last five conversations I had about the topic in this thread never happened.

*faceplant*

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 mars 2011 - 07:36 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People calling Anders a terrorist aren't dehumanizing him. They're calling a spade a spade.

And I agree with Lucy.

When you apply negative group terms to people I ... begin to get nervous.

It's a difficult one.

But... he is a terrorist. He committed an act of terrorism. That's all it means.

Doesn't mean he isn't an awesome lovable character at other times.

Yeah, I think people are thinking it's suddenly horrible to like a character who is by definition a terrorist.  You don't have to like what he did.  He's still a character in a story that had a role to play.

[shaneho78]

Lady Dino wrote...

shaneho78 wrote...

Speaking of Fenris, he submits to Danarius without a single struggle when you give him up but is willing to fight you and 3 other companions to the death?

To be fair, he did have a group of templars with him when he came to face you. Against you and Danarius though it's just him.

Although I was willing to give him up, I definitely would not fight him so it's just Danarius plus maybe a few flunkies. Anyway my point is that Fenris is a cautious person. He wouldn't even take on the slavers on his own until he got some backup (namely me). From what i can tell, although he hated mages, he's no templar lover and has no vested interest in Kirkwall apart from me. It's very out of character for him to fight me especially after witnessing me destroy hordes of templars, mages, abominations, demons etc in the last 7 years or so. Anders, I can understand. He was willing to give his life up and he felt that his mission is already accomplished. Maybe he wanted a glorious death. 

[Kawamura]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

People calling Anders a terrorist aren't dehumanizing him. They're calling a spade a spade.

And I agree with Lucy.

When you apply negative group terms to people I ... begin to get nervous.

It's a difficult one.

But... he is a terrorist. He committed an act of terrorism. That's all it means.

Doesn't mean he isn't an awesome lovable character at other times.

It's... difficult. It's one of those words I'm uncomfortable with. In my personal experience, it's never been that plain of a word. So, difficult.