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[Addai]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Just came in to add my 2 pence.

Props to the writers for making conjuring such emotions in me when Anders did what he did. I officially hate him, and I think I will be executing him every playthrough. Shame, for I was planning to romance him next playthrough, but now that won't be happening. Or it might, but I will have to kill him and that would be difficult. Who knew Anders to be a terrorist? It's so sad... if only we could have saved him from Justice.

Anyway, that's all, really. A true shame Anders had come to that.

Don't condemn him yet. Rival!Mance him. Hepler wrote in saying that if you Rival!Mance him, Anders has been trying insufferably to disconnect Justice from his head, and that in the end what happens to the Chantry was not really Anders at work - it was Justice. (Anders tries to undo it over and over again, but Justice keeps foiling him).

Its a really good romance too. But I'm all for Rival!Mance.

I find it pretty disturbing that Hawke is responsible for whether or not Anders fights Justice on this.  That puts me off from the whole deal more.  Anders can do whatever he wants to do.  And apparently, he wants to blow up the Chantry since Hawke is shtupping someone else.

[Magaloo]

I think the whole bride of Frankenstein ruined it for me. I was like oh hey mom! Where I got teary eyed saying it to dear uncle Gamlen.

I am not a big cryer in day to day life this game brought me close several times. Like in the Sheperding Wolves quest. I

[LastFadingSmile]

dpMeggers wrote...

Did anyone else wonder how Anders managed to remotely detonate the bomb that he planted? Or is it just me? If it was by magic wouldn't at least ONE of the templars who were hanging around Meredith notice and try to do something about it? Or were they all too distracted by...I don't know birds or something?

Well he did do that whole Gandalf Shall-Not-Pass staff thing. Morse detonation code?  

[Kawamura]

SurelyForth wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Own the word, ladies and gents, or it's going to be a long, LONG, string of trolls into our Anders haven.

Does the fact that I'll stop making a big deal of it the second the thread does honestly own the word make me a troll?  Because that's always been the plan.

Is this something where the majority rules? Like the moment we get a 50.000000001% Rate of Owning, we can move on to talking about  frivolous things, like how little control Anders has over his own mind and whether or not his actions were, ultimately, more humane than what the Divine would have done? Because I'm thinking about that latter one now and I'm interested in hearing other perspectives (as I am not terribly smart, and like to steal opinions for my own).

I cannot say I know that it was more humane.

.___.

Anders started something that will go poorly for those most incapable of defending themselves. What happens to children that show magic now? Some big bad mage went and destroyed a Chantry and murdered a Grand Cleric. Those kids were already getting killed beforehand, but now, if the Templars aren't searching them out, who will bring them to safety? Will there be witch hunts?

It's... I don't know that there are any humane answers.

[upsettingshorts]

I wondered that myself. A wizard did it, I suppose.

[Ryzaki]

Addai67 wrote...
I find it pretty disturbing that Hawke is responsible for whether or not Anders fights Justice on this.  That puts me off from the whole deal more.  Anders can do whatever he wants to do.  And apparently, he wants to blow up the Chantry since Hawke is shtupping someone else.

...You do realize all through the rivalrymance Hawke is questioning him and Justice's connection to each other? Blowing up the chantry isn't due to just "Hawke shtupping someone else." 

It's due to him being constantly questioned and second guessing himself on how much he and Justice are intertwined. Far more complicated than "shtupping". 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 08:39 .

[mesmerizedish]

Addai67 wrote...

I find it pretty disturbing that Hawke is responsible for whether or not Anders fights Justice on this.  That puts me off from the whole deal more.  Anders can do whatever he wants to do.  And apparently, he wants to blow up the Chantry since Hawke is shtupping someone else.

My impression is that the romance is incidental here... it's just the difference between friendship and rivalry in general.

[Kawamura]

Addai67 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Just came in to add my 2 pence.

Props to the writers for making conjuring such emotions in me when Anders did what he did. I officially hate him, and I think I will be executing him every playthrough. Shame, for I was planning to romance him next playthrough, but now that won't be happening. Or it might, but I will have to kill him and that would be difficult. Who knew Anders to be a terrorist? It's so sad... if only we could have saved him from Justice.

Anyway, that's all, really. A true shame Anders had come to that.

Don't condemn him yet. Rival!Mance him. Hepler wrote in saying that if you Rival!Mance him, Anders has been trying insufferably to disconnect Justice from his head, and that in the end what happens to the Chantry was not really Anders at work - it was Justice. (Anders tries to undo it over and over again, but Justice keeps foiling him).

Its a really good romance too. But I'm all for Rival!Mance.

I find it pretty disturbing that Hawke is responsible for whether or not Anders fights Justice on this.  That puts me off from the whole deal more.  Anders can do whatever he wants to do.  And apparently, he wants to blow up the Chantry since Hawke is shtupping someone else.

I think if you rivarly him period, he'll be more atagonistic to Justice.

Friending him makes him think that things are all right and Justice and he are one. I don't think that they are, but, he thinks so.

[Sialater]

Ryzaki wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Kolotosa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And does he still have the same "let's run away and be fugitives" speech at the end? 

I mean...I would've liked a kiss a touch on the cheek...anything. Everyone else gets a kiss.  

Wait, what? Anders has been giving out extra kisses and I didn't get one? That's IT, that sucker DIES.

I think she meant the other LIs give kisses. I didn't get one with a friendmance from Anders.

^ Please don't kill poor Anders.  

 

He doesn't give a kiss on the rivalry mance either. Not even a caress. He could've cupped my cheek and gave me a soft smile or something. 

I think he's wise enough not to push his luck.  When Margaret said she'd flee with him it was more like... I'll forgive you in few days.  Till then... separate tents, buster.

[marquiseondore]

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

Modifié par marquiseondore, 24 mars 2011 - 08:41 .

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Just came in to add my 2 pence.

Props to the writers for making conjuring such emotions in me when Anders did what he did. I officially hate him, and I think I will be executing him every playthrough. Shame, for I was planning to romance him next playthrough, but now that won't be happening. Or it might, but I will have to kill him and that would be difficult. Who knew Anders to be a terrorist? It's so sad... if only we could have saved him from Justice.

Anyway, that's all, really. A true shame Anders had come to that.

Don't condemn him yet. Rival!Mance him. Hepler wrote in saying that if you Rival!Mance him, Anders has been trying insufferably to disconnect Justice from his head, and that in the end what happens to the Chantry was not really Anders at work - it was Justice. (Anders tries to undo it over and over again, but Justice keeps foiling him).

Its a really good romance too. But I'm all for Rival!Mance.

I find it pretty disturbing that Hawke is responsible for whether or not Anders fights Justice on this.  That puts me off from the whole deal more.  Anders can do whatever he wants to do.  And apparently, he wants to blow up the Chantry since Hawke is shtupping someone else.

Not really. He wants to blow up the Chantry because Hawke is encouraging him in his endeavors and, as they are also Justice's, Justice and he have a more peaceful co-exsistence. It has nothing to do with who Hawke is or is not screwing, only in how Hawke responds to his actions and Justice in particular.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 24 mars 2011 - 08:52 .

[Addai]

Ryzaki wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I find it pretty disturbing that Hawke is responsible for whether or not Anders fights Justice on this.  That puts me off from the whole deal more.  Anders can do whatever he wants to do.  And apparently, he wants to blow up the Chantry since Hawke is shtupping someone else.

...You do realize all through the rivalrymance Hawke is questioning him and Justice's connection to each other? Blowing up the chantry isn't due to just "Hawke shtupping someone else." 

Yes my point is, apparently the PC is responsible for whether or not Anders does so willingly.

[Khali Khan]

thenyxie wrote...

Khali Khan wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

*snipped pic*

....

Was someone talking...?

Wanted to say something about terrorists, but I guess I'm going to drool for a while  I know what Anders thinks about locking him up, but tying him up is whole 'nother thing, right? Right? 

Tying him up is TOTALLY different *G*

I miss his earring. If Justice lets Hawke tie Anders up, surely he can be convinced to put the earring back in, right?

I think so. If he is tied up it's either "sit tight and enjoy the ride" or "let Justice off-leash and try to stop me" 

[Rinji the Bearded]

HAWKE COME BACK LATER WHEN MORE SANDWICH

*needs to get back to work seriously*

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 24 mars 2011 - 08:42 .

[LastFadingSmile]

Sialater wrote...

I think he's wise enough not to push his luck.  When Margaret said she'd flee with him it was more like... I'll forgive you in few days.  Till then... separate tents, buster.

My Hawkes might think that, but it's hard to resist a good feather pillow.

[Ryzaki]

Sialater wrote...
I think he's wise enough not to push his luck.  When Margaret said she'd flee with him it was more like... I'll forgive you in few days.  Till then... separate tents, buster.

Ah true. Still I should've gotten the option to kiss him then. He can grab me and suck my lips off. I wanna return the favor.  

Though it gets a bit funny for my rivalry manced characters. At that point there kind of smiling wryly and finding themselves resigned to being Anders' backup on this crusade of his (years of reading that manifesto and listening to Anders rants slowly pushed them on the side of mages and Meredith's annullment was the straw that broke the camel's back). 

So they're pretty much "heh. Just what have I gotten myself into?"  

[Ryzaki]

Addai67 wrote...
Yes my point is, apparently the PC is responsible for whether or not Anders does so willingly.

Like how you harden Alistair and he becomes king without needing player input? 

Like Leliana and Marjoline?

Like Anders and the DR? (if you choose not to use magical persuade.) 

Like Fenris fighting Danarius? (He doesn't fight Danarius if you hand him over despite saying he'd rather die than be a slave.) 

The PC simply gives Anders another point of view and Anders questions himself. That's all. 

And he can still want to blow up the Chantry even if he's with the PC. So really I don't understand the necessity of the "shtupping" comment. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 08:49 .

[Tasmen]

RinjiRenee wrote...

HAWKE COME BACK LATER WHEN MORE SANDWICH

*needs to get back to work seriously*

Work is overrated... (says the girl that needs to do some as well)

[upsettingshorts]

Addai67 wrote...

Yes my point is, apparently the PC is responsible for whether or not Anders does so willingly.

That was interesting - the Hepler comment.  My interpretation was that Friendpath makes Hawke more responsible, because he/she encouraged him down that path, thus fulfilling the role Justice forces himself into on the Rivalpath.

The Rivalpath makes Anders ultimately more responsible because he made the arrangement with Justice in the first place, before he ever met Hawke, and after he met the Warden.  I mean, Justice "assumes direct control" so to speak, but by then Justice has lost his perspective through his experience with Anders through the merger they agreed upon. 

[Magaloo]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Yes my point is, apparently the PC is responsible for whether or not Anders does so willingly.

That was interesting - the Hepler comment.  My interpretation was that Friendpath makes Hawke more responsible, because he/she encouraged him down that path, thus fulfilling the role Justice forces himself into on the Rivalpath.

The Rivalpath makes Anders ultimately more responsible because he made the arrangement with Justice in the first place, before he ever met Hawke, and after he met the Warden.  I mean, Justice "assumes direct control" so to speak, but by then Justice has lost his perspective through his experience with Anders through the merger they agreed upon. 

Anders being ultimately more responsible because of his lack of foresight I can understand.  No matter what it seems bringing spirit and demons into any equation really never ends in a good way (Wynne can be argued upon another day). 

But Hawke being responsible in a freindship romance?  You can question him and he will reveal some hints but you can also go around seeing too many hints of crazy JENGA! intention. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

I feel uncomfortable rivalmancing Anders because I feel like I'm messing with a feral cat.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 24 mars 2011 - 08:53 .

[HolyJellyfish]

Addai67 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I find it pretty disturbing that Hawke is responsible for whether or not Anders fights Justice on this.  That puts me off from the whole deal more.  Anders can do whatever he wants to do.  And apparently, he wants to blow up the Chantry since Hawke is shtupping someone else.

...You do realize all through the rivalrymance Hawke is questioning him and Justice's connection to each other? Blowing up the chantry isn't due to just "Hawke shtupping someone else." 

Yes my point is, apparently the PC is responsible for whether or not Anders does so willingly.

The PC is also responsible for whether or not Isabela will betray you. whether or not Merrill will destroy the mirror. If Aveline gets married. If Fenris gets returned to his master as a slave.

The PC is responsible for all of the characters. This is just a larger role s/he plays.

[Kim Shepard]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I think Isabela and I were kind of standing back and doing this when it happened:



Hah.

Kaya: Pass the popcorn, ladies and gentlemen.
Kane Amell: I dragged myself all the way here from Ferelden to see this! >

Yes, Kaya has turned crazed revolutionary too. Kane has no excuse aside from hating the Chantry.

[upsettingshorts]

Yeah I wasn't sure about that as I haven't done an Anders friendship yet and don't know the particulars - I was basing it simply on the concept of:

Friend Anders -> Anders is willingly responsible for what he does and is encouraged by Hawke down this path
Rival Anders -> Anders is willingly responsible for what he did, which eventually terminated his free will.

I may be wrong, because as I said I'm lacking the precise information. My current Hawke (avatar) is Friending him.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 mars 2011 - 08:55 .

[LastFadingSmile]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I feel uncomfortable rivalmancing Anders because I feel like I'm messing with a feral cat.

I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you!