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[Magaloo]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Yeah I wasn't sure about that as I haven't done an Anders friendship yet and don't know the particulars - I was basing it simply on the concept of:

Friend Anders -> Anders is willingly responsible for what he does and is encouraged by Hawke down this path
Rival Anders -> Anders is willingly responsible for what he did, which eventually terminated his free will.

I may be wrong, because as I said I'm lacking the precise information. My current Hawke (avatar) is Friending him.

No problem, I was wondering if I was missing some deep character interection somewhere. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Has anyone else picked up on the Fenris vs Anders, Dog vs Cat vibe?

I'm just a fangirl, that's what it is...

[jab19782010]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

And to add:

ter·ror·ism   
[ter-uh-riz-uhm]
–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

To avoid calling him a terrorist is like avoiding calling two slices of bread with edible content in them a sandwich.

I'm curious, do you consider early American revolutionists terrorists or patriots? I mean after all there was a lot of violence and resistance against the British crown and the British loyalists. By your definition up there am I correct to assume that you consider them terrorists?

Modifié par jab19782010, 24 mars 2011 - 08:58 .

[HolyJellyfish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Yes my point is, apparently the PC is responsible for whether or not Anders does so willingly.

That was interesting - the Hepler comment.  My interpretation was that Friendpath makes Hawke more responsible, because he/she encouraged him down that path, thus fulfilling the role Justice forces himself into on the Rivalpath.

The Rivalpath makes Anders ultimately more responsible because he made the arrangement with Justice in the first place, before he ever met Hawke, and after he met the Warden.  I mean, Justice "assumes direct control" so to speak, but by then Justice has lost his perspective through his experience with Anders through the merger they agreed upon. 

But Anders is doing everything he can in Rivalpath to get away from Justice. In the dialogue, I'm under the impression (from rivalry path) that Anders wants very badly to warn Hawke and stop what is happening, but Justice keeps interfering. He knows that the connection between he and Justice is not natural.

In Rivalpath, I was always under the impression that Anders' dire commentary (Clock striking midnight, etc) during the quest to 'plant' the bomb was the only way he could warn Hawke without submitting to Justice. It makes sense, considering some of the rival-specific dialogue & scenes in act 3.

Friendpath... I just can't go friendpath.

[Rinji the Bearded]

jab19782010 wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

And to add:

ter·ror·ism   
[ter-uh-riz-uhm]
–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

To avoid calling him a terrorist is like avoiding calling two slices of bread with edible content in them a sandwich.

I'm curious, do you consider early American revolutionists terrorists or patriots? I mean after all there was a lot of violence and resistance against the British crown and the British loyalists. By your definition up there am I correct to assume that you consider them terrorists?

They're both.

OKAY I'M SERIOUSLY GOING BACK TO WORK GUYS EEEEE *run*

[leggywillow]

Kolotosa wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I feel uncomfortable rivalmancing Anders because I feel like I'm messing with a feral cat.

I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you!   

LOL!  Y'know, I think the Internet would've prevented Anders from ever blowing up the Chantry.  He would've been way too busy looking up LOLcats and funny cat videos.

[Sialater]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Has anyone else picked up on the Fenris vs Anders, Dog vs Cat vibe?

I'm just a fangirl, that's what it is...

Now that you mention it...

[nyxocity]

Khali Khan wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Khali Khan wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

*snipped pic*

....

Was someone talking...?

Wanted to say something about terrorists, but I guess I'm going to drool for a while  I know what Anders thinks about locking him up, but tying him up is whole 'nother thing, right? Right? 

Tying him up is TOTALLY different *G*

I miss his earring. If Justice lets Hawke tie Anders up, surely he can be convinced to put the earring back in, right?

I think so. If he is tied up it's either "sit tight and enjoy the ride" or "let Justice off-leash and try to stop me" 

I am strangely okay with the outcome of either option 

[Kawamura]

Kim Shepard wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I think Isabela and I were kind of standing back and doing this when it happened:



Hah.

Kaya: Pass the popcorn, ladies and gentlemen.
Kane Amell: I dragged myself all the way here from Ferelden to see this! >

Yes, Kaya has turned crazed revolutionary too. Kane has no excuse aside from hating the Chantry.

I wish I had a .gif to properly explain the "uuuuuhhhhh. God. What a mess" feeling.

I'm sure my Hawke eventually felt bad about those people. But at the moment it was just a sort of "Oh my god, why do things like this have to happen on my watch?"

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

marquiseondore wrote...

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

But Guy Fawkes failed and was executed.

[Sialater]

RinjiRenee wrote...

jab19782010 wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

And to add:

ter·ror·ism   
[ter-uh-riz-uhm]
–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

To avoid calling him a terrorist is like avoiding calling two slices of bread with edible content in them a sandwich.

I'm curious, do you consider early American revolutionists terrorists or patriots? I mean after all there was a lot of violence and resistance against the British crown and the British loyalists. By your definition up there am I correct to assume that you consider them terrorists?

They're both.

OKAY I'M SERIOUSLY GOING BACK TO WORK GUYS EEEEE *run*

Ditto.

[Rinji the Bearded]

I'm not calling me a liar...

[Sialater]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

But Guy Fawkes failed and was executed.

Guy Fawke's was missing something.  A key component.... Hawke.

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Has anyone else picked up on the Fenris vs Anders, Dog vs Cat vibe?

I'm just a fangirl, that's what it is...

LOL 

It now all makes sense. 

[upsettingshorts]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

But Anders is doing everything he can in Rivalpath to get away from Justice...

In Rivalpath, I was always under the impression that Anders' dire commentary (Clock striking midnight, etc) during the quest to 'plant' the bomb was the only way he could warn Hawke without submitting to Justice....

I follow what you're saying but I'm not entirely show how/if it contradicts my intepretation.  Not saying it does or doesn't, just asking for clarification.

jab19782010 wrote...

I'm curious, do you consider early American revolutionists terrorists or patriots?

Lucy is Aussie, but since I'm making a similar argument and from the US I can answer if you'd like.

Yes, some of them.  Look up the Sons of Liberty.  One of my other examples I've posted a couple times is the US 8th Air Force and the RAF Bomber command during World War II.  

It's a tactic, not a way of life or blanket personal character indictment. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 mars 2011 - 09:03 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Sialater wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

But Guy Fawkes failed and was executed.

Guy Fawke's was missing something.  A key component.... Hawke.

Yeah, all Guy needed was a stooge looking for friendship points.

[Kawamura]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

But Guy Fawkes failed and was executed.

Guy Fawke's was missing something.  A key component.... Hawke.

Yeah, all Guy needed was a stooge looking for friendship points.

Remember remember, the fifth of novemeber, the day Hawke finally managed to max out friendship.

[Eydris Ivo]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I'm not calling me a liar...

Anders thread is bad for getting work done

[marquiseondore]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

But Guy Fawkes failed and was executed.

Guy Fawke's was missing something.  A key component.... Hawke.

Yeah, all Guy needed was a stooge looking for friendship points.

A fade spirit helps

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Kawamura wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

But Guy Fawkes failed and was executed.

Guy Fawke's was missing something.  A key component.... Hawke.

Yeah, all Guy needed was a stooge looking for friendship points.

Remember remember, the fifth of novemeber, the day Hawke finally managed to max out friendship.

I wonder what he thinks about his name being used as an excuse to blow your hand off with a firework.

[nyxocity]

Rheia1234 wrote...

Anders thread is bad for getting work done

No KIDDING. I've lost a lot of time here the last few days.

[Addai]

@Ryzaki, the hardening mechanic drives me bonkers too. But I'm not referring to rivalry vs. friendship path. I haven't completed either since I haven't done his romance or had him around so as to get the numbers high enough. So in my case Anders has apparently done the deed willingly. I just don't like the idea that Hawke is responsible for whether or not he fights against Justice.

[Kawamura]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

But Guy Fawkes failed and was executed.

Guy Fawke's was missing something.  A key component.... Hawke.

Yeah, all Guy needed was a stooge looking for friendship points.

Remember remember, the fifth of novemeber, the day Hawke finally managed to max out friendship.

I wonder what he thinks about his name being used as an excuse to blow your hand off with a firework.

You think that's bad, imagine how St. Patrick feels about being an excuse to get drunk off your ass through the whole world.

... probably pretty good, actually. I remember Catholic school.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Kawamura wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

The Kirkwall Chantry failed the mages by allowing the Knight-Commander/Templars to subjugate and terrorize the mages. Orsino was also to blame for his inability to guide and protect his charges.  

When we were introduced to Anders he was a revolutionary and rebel, what he did at Act 3 made him an anarchist.  Guy Fawkes, anyone?   

That's kind of where I'm with Anders.  I'll wait for DA3 to decide if I'm being too lenient or hard on him.

But Guy Fawkes failed and was executed.

Guy Fawke's was missing something.  A key component.... Hawke.

Yeah, all Guy needed was a stooge looking for friendship points.

Remember remember, the fifth of novemeber, the day Hawke finally managed to max out friendship.

I wonder what he thinks about his name being used as an excuse to blow your hand off with a firework.

You think that's bad, imagine how St. Patrick feels about being an excuse to get drunk off your ass through the whole world.

... probably pretty good, actually. I remember Catholic school.

My condolences.

[Addai]

HolyJellyfish wrote...
The PC is also responsible for whether or not Isabela will betray you. whether or not Merrill will destroy the mirror. If Aveline gets married. If Fenris gets returned to his master as a slave.

The PC is responsible for all of the characters. This is just a larger role s/he plays.

Isabela always betrays you, but sometimes she changes her mind and comes back.  Merrill can sit in front of the mirror all the day long because I'm not helping her.  In these cases, apathy means pretty much the status quo.  In Anders' case, apathy has much more dire consequences.