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[shiba5]

RinjiRenee wrote...

sassperella wrote...

Yes lol. Though his warning obviously didn't move the Grand Cleric any more than mine o_O

Haha, I think you could warn all of Kirkwall and that stubborn woman wouldn't move an inch.

Of course not. She's programmed that way.

[sassperella]

I know, and if she knew that there was a plot against the chantry from both you and Cullen, you'd think she'd at least make sure everyone else was safe, but oh no they have to stand with her at the end.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Souris wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Souris wrote...

sassperella wrote...

Yes lol. Though his warning obviously didn't move the Grand Cleric any more than mine o_O

Well, maybe it did and we just don't know! She could be plenty more crafty than any of us think, and escaped at the last minute! It's pretty obvious when things start going to pot, she could have been all "Hmm...maybe now would be the opportune time to slip out of the Chantry and, you know, live."

BUT HER FLOCK!

LOL I wish you could get special dialogue at the end, instead of saying that stuff to Anders about the plan, just saying to everyone, "YOU KNOW, WE WARNED HER.  A LOT.  NO SERIOUSLY, WE DID."

Hahaha. I laughed, out loud.

"SERIOUSLY, THAT WOMAN IS SO BLOOD STUBBORN. SO REALLY, THIS IS HER OWN FAULT, NOT ANDERS'."

I feel like that if you DON'T say something like that and you're on the rival path with Anders, it's like...

Hawke> So that's why you needed me to distract the Grand Cleric?
Anders> ... Um, I STOOD there as you warned about half of Kirkwall that I was planning to do something.  *mockingly slaps his own forehead like DUH.*
Hawke> ... You have.  A point.

[nos_astra]

Batteries wrote...
He's the only LI companion that changes his outfit regardless of being romanced or not.

He changes his outfit? When?

[XOGHunter246]

Do you really think what Anders did was even right? I understand he hates Templers for controlling mages and thinking they all dangerous. The thing is I personally think he went to far in what he did and my Warrior could not forgive him I was role playing as a Warrior from a Templer background. I was forced to kill him I would of just told him to get lost but you know the Templers made me kill him .

Varric has it right he really is a renagade Mage like I said before liked Anders till I saw the lengths he would go to get his point across killing many innocents for the sake of his personal hate.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 25 mars 2011 - 01:03 .

[Threeparts]

klarabella wrote...

Batteries wrote...
He's the only LI companion that changes his outfit regardless of being romanced or not.

He changes his outfit? When?

During his pillow talk with Varric, after he's planted the bomb.

[LastFadingSmile]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Do you really think what Anders did was even right? I understand he hates Templers for controlling mages and thinking they all dangerous. The thing is I personally think he went to far in what he did and my Warrior could not forgive him I was role playing as a Warrior from a Templer background. I was forced to kill him I would of just told him to get lost but you know the Templers made me kill him .

I just can't bring myself to side with the Templars. It would be like defending the corrupt nurses in an old folks' home after they stole all my nannas money and spent it on blow.

[nos_astra]

Threeparts wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Batteries wrote...
He's the only LI companion that changes his outfit regardless of being romanced or not.

He changes his outfit? When?

During his pillow talk with Varric, after he's planted the bomb.

How can there be pillow talk if there's no romance. Oh, with Varric. I see.

Because he didn't change in my game and I never saw him planting the bomb (probably because he was not in my party and rivaled but not romanced)?

Modifié par klarabella, 25 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[SurelyForth]

Threeparts wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Batteries wrote...
He's the only LI companion that changes his outfit regardless of being romanced or not.

He changes his outfit? When?

During his pillow talk with Varric, after he's planted the bomb.

And only if you help him distract the Grand Cleric, and then follow up with him afterwards.


The pillow talk is triggered when you speak with him after you complete Justice. He's giving Varric a pillow that his mother embroidered for him. Because he thinks he's going to die.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 25 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[sassperella]

Kolotosa wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Do you really think what Anders did was even right? I understand he hates Templers for controlling mages and thinking they all dangerous. The thing is I personally think he went to far in what he did and my Warrior could not forgive him I was role playing as a Warrior from a Templer background. I was forced to kill him I would of just told him to get lost but you know the Templers made me kill him .

I just can't bring myself to side with the Templars. It would be like defending the corrupt nurses in an old folks' home after they stole all my nannas money and spent it on blow.

I know  I wanted the achievement for siding with them 5 times and doing their ending, but it'll be the only playthrough that I do side with them and I feel dirty for doing so - takes a shower.

[Threeparts]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Do you really think what Anders did was even right? I understand he hates Templers for controlling mages and thinking they all dangerous. The thing is I personally think he went to far in what he did and my Warrior could not forgive him I was role playing as a Warrior from a Templer background. I was forced to kill him I would of just told him to get lost but you know the Templers made me kill him .

I don't think it was a good act, or a nice one, but as for whether or not it was right? That's very hard for me, as a supporter of freedom for mages, to answer.
Might there have been a less destructive, non-violent solution? Maybe. The key was that Meredith was already going mad from the idol - I don't think it would ever be possible to reason with her, and even a simple, well-timed assassination would not undo the damage that she had already caused. The templars under her would probably still hurt the mages as punishment if only she had been killed, and the abuse of mages is already ingrained in the Circle system. Undoing that would be difficult, as its the kind of thing that goes on behind closed doors that people in authority don't want to talk about, and in the Circle's case it has evidently been going on for decades, if not centuries.

If you look at it as though Elthina was truly neutral you might say it was never justified. If you note that the Templars and Circle are under Chantry control, and that the Andrastian's holy word itself speaks against mages, you can see that her loyalties would probably lie with the Divine, and that she would support (or at least be unable to prevent) Annullment of Kirkwall's Circle, a process that Meredith had already set in motion. At best she could tell Meredith and Orsino to sit and wait until the Divine's answer came, an answer which would probably (but not certainly) be in Meredith's favour.

What Anders did was take action in a very dramatic way to prevent what he believed would lead to the deaths of hundreds of innocents. He believed he was right. What the people in Kirkwall saw was dozens of innocents killed by a mage, and I'm sure they believed he was wrong.

I don't have an answer for you. I support his goals, but not his actions, but I don't know what alternatives he had in those few minutes to prevent the Annulment and the deaths of the Kirkwall mages.

[shiba5]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Do you really think what Anders did was even right? I understand he hates Templers for controlling mages and thinking they all dangerous. The thing is I personally think he went to far in what he did and my Warrior could not forgive him I was role playing as a Warrior from a Templer background. I was forced to kill him I would of just told him to get lost but you know the Templers made me kill him .

Varric has it right he really is a renagade Mage like I said before liked Anders till I saw the lengths he would go to get his point across killing many innocents for the sake of his personal hate.

I was so frustrated with trying to get the Grand Cleric to do something... ANYTHING, that I wanted the option to run her out of Kirkwall. So, when Anders blew up the Chantry I was angrier that he lied to me about it, and the way he went about it, more than anything. I guess I'm a little warped... My Hawke wouldn't have killed her outright like that, but I think he had a point. Right or wrong, he certainly changed the status quo.

[XOGHunter246]

Kolotosa wrote...

I just can't bring myself to side with the Templars. It would be like defending the corrupt nurses in an old folks' home after they stole all my nannas money and spent it on blow.

I know I only did this with my Warrior as he had the templer skills My personal opinon is both sides are wrong in there own way. Orsino is like just Crazy and Meredith is just power hungry about the mages. I would of liked a Option to rebel against both sides I do not agree with either sides logic. After finding that note about Orsino I was like how could you!. 

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 25 mars 2011 - 01:18 .

[Souris]

shiba5 wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Do you really think what Anders did was even right? I understand he hates Templers for controlling mages and thinking they all dangerous. The thing is I personally think he went to far in what he did and my Warrior could not forgive him I was role playing as a Warrior from a Templer background. I was forced to kill him I would of just told him to get lost but you know the Templers made me kill him .

Varric has it right he really is a renagade Mage like I said before liked Anders till I saw the lengths he would go to get his point across killing many innocents for the sake of his personal hate.

I was so frustrated with trying to get the Grand Cleric to do something... ANYTHING, that I wanted the option to run her out of Kirkwall. So, when Anders blew up the Chantry I was angrier that he lied to me about it, and the way he went about it, more than anything. I guess I'm a little warped... My Hawke wouldn't have killed her outright like that, but I think he had a point. Right or wrong, he certainly changed the status quo.

This. So much. I get so frustrated that she didn't DO anything. She had the power to change things or at least influence them for better or for worse. We tried to warn her, but she didn't listen. Somehow I wonder if she wanted it to happen.

I was shocked and hurt that he lied to my Hawke, and did something so drastic, but at the same time he has a point - when you tried everything to try and get the people in power to do SOMETHING about the situation and they just sat there like bumps on a log and did nothing, then they just LET what he did happen.

I don't think Anders is the only one at fault for what happened.

[XOGHunter246]

Threeparts wrote...

I don't have an answer for you. I support his goals, but not his actions, but I don't know what alternatives he had in those few minutes to prevent the Annulment and the deaths of the Kirkwall mages.

Yeah guess there is no real answer to the question because like you I understand his goals but the action he took was too extreme. The fact he would use Hawke was also something I also was not happy about  he supposed to be his friend.

I am not blaming him only for what happened there was many others who could of prevented things going so far I just think how he went about it has given the Templers more amminition to say mages are dangerous and they should be locked up.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 25 mars 2011 - 01:27 .

[Souris]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

I don't have an answer for you. I support his goals, but not his actions, but I don't know what alternatives he had in those few minutes to prevent the Annulment and the deaths of the Kirkwall mages.

Yeah guess there is no real answer to the question because like you I understand his goals but the action he took was too extreme. The fact he would use Hawke was also something I also was not happy about  he supposed to be his friend.

To be fair, he had been fighting for years to try and change things in the Circle and Templars, but things just kept progressively getting worse. No one listened, no one did anything differently. Every friggin character in this game is so ****ing stubborn.

[katiebour]

Super-sexy-sweet new Anders pic on deviantart, courtesy of towim.deviantart.com/

it's NSFW, and although it doesn't show man bits it's not far off.  If you don't like nearly naked Anders, don't clicky.
But if you do...

Here's the link to "Bashful":
towim.deviantart.com/art/Bashful-202121184

[DeaHamlet]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

You guys have it all wrong. Justice is an extremely cuddly spirit who just wants to see everyone happy. Blowing up the Chantry was just a flash in the pan! He knew that by Anders killing the Grand Cleric...and you sparing his life...that Sebastian would leave the party! Which would make everyone happy indeed!
There you go. End of story. I've solved it.

Totally!  I was so sad Sebastian wasn't in there to be blown up.

[LastFadingSmile]

shiba5 wrote...

I was so frustrated with trying to get the Grand Cleric to do something... ANYTHING, that I wanted the option to run her out of Kirkwall. So, when Anders blew up the Chantry I was angrier that he lied to me about it, and the way he went about it, more than anything. I guess I'm a little warped... My Hawke wouldn't have killed her outright like that, but I think he had a point. Right or wrong, he certainly changed the status quo.

This tends to be how I feel as well.

Every time I play the game through now, I become more and more frustrated by Elthina. The garbage with Petrice in Act 2 -- that that woman could have been promoted to Mother in the first place, ugh -- just feels really...wrong...

Petrice: "These heathens killed the Viscount's son!"
Elthina: "So it seems."
Hwake: "No, she did!"
Elthina: "Yes she did. She goes to trial."

The speed with which she turns on Petrice, it started to feel like she knew before anything was even said what had happened, she's not alarmed or even surprised that one of her Mothers is involved in trying to start an uprising, and if she knew what was brewing, she did nothing to stop that either. She is completely unmoved when the Qunari steps out and paints the Chantry floor with Petrice's brainfluid... Everything about that whole scene, I just feel like she's complicit in it. Rumors of Meredith's insanity have been brewing and gathering momentum since Act 1, and Elthina apparently doesn't care, or she could have stepped in and had Meredith replaced. All the Tranquils...unmoved by them. 

Then Act 3 rolls around and after 3 years and increasing trouble Elthina still just doesn't seem to care. Maker this, Maker that. The Maker is GONE, lady. I'd have as much luck sitting here waiting for sign from Elvis on what I should have for lunch today. Her complete lack of action makes her at least as responsible for everything that happens as Meredith, Orsino, Hawke or Anders are. She is the counter and the catalyst to Anders' revolution -- her inaction was just as dangerous, just as deadly...it just didn't have an accompanying light show.

I was as shocked as anyone by what Anders did, and I was definitely gutted by it, but after the inital shock wore off, I just wanted to protect him, my sister and the rest of the mages from the ensuing insanity. Dwelling on the rights and wrongs didn't seem like good time management when the city was falling to ash and lunacy around me. It was done, for better or for worse. I was going to try to make it for better.


Edit: wow, go formatting, you beast!

Modifié par Kolotosa, 25 mars 2011 - 01:38 .

[DeaHamlet]

nenosronhir wrote...

@DeaHamlet Is that what happens when you side with the Templars? *wibbling* ;A;

ETA: wtf, when did it become 4AM, TIME WHERE DID YOU GO

Yeppers.  I'm 5 hours late to answer this, but yep.  Templar siding.  Gut wrenching *sigh*

[XOGHunter246]

Souris wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

I don't have an answer for you. I support his goals, but not his actions, but I don't know what alternatives he had in those few minutes to prevent the Annulment and the deaths of the Kirkwall mages.

Yeah guess there is no real answer to the question because like you I understand his goals but the action he took was too extreme. The fact he would use Hawke was also something I also was not happy about  he supposed to be his friend.

To be fair, he had been fighting for years to try and change things in the Circle and Templars, but things just kept progressively getting worse. No one listened, no one did anything differently. Every friggin character in this game is so ****ing stubborn.

I just wished he would of understood one person cannot changed the whole world what he done would just give a even worst impression of mages.

[nodice]

shiba5 wrote...

Because he really, really looks like my husband... 

You shouldn't say these kinds of things here 

[DeaHamlet]

Kolotosa wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Do you really think what Anders did was even right? I understand he hates Templers for controlling mages and thinking they all dangerous. The thing is I personally think he went to far in what he did and my Warrior could not forgive him I was role playing as a Warrior from a Templer background. I was forced to kill him I would of just told him to get lost but you know the Templers made me kill him .

I just can't bring myself to side with the Templars. It would be like defending the corrupt nurses in an old folks' home after they stole all my nannas money and spent it on blow.

Let me be like Anders and all sorts of awkwardly forward...
I think I like you.  

Perfect description.
Mind you I did one run siding with templars (I feel so soiled) where the motivation was basically "okay, if we give the people their revenge for this, squash this fast, maybe there will be no war and everything will just end in Kirkwall... because either way the people will want revenge on mages *Sigh*.".  I, as the player, know it doesn't make a difference but my poor oh so well intentioned and peace loving rogue that only kills when absolutely necessary was a tad naive and hopeful.
She was majorly pissed at Meredith at the end.  Majorly.  Like... I help you clean up this mess to try to nip a war in the butt and you go batt**** crazy?  Unappreciative wench, you caused this mess!  Die.
I think it was one of the few times my rogue was not going to even attempt reason.  She was mad o.O

[shiba5]

nodice wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Because he really, really looks like my husband... 

You shouldn't say these kinds of things here 

<-- is sorry. 

I'd post a picture, but he is very private and would have a total snit.

Modifié par shiba5, 25 mars 2011 - 01:54 .