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[Rinji the Bearded]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Well dang.

Even the guide said that Anders wouldn't side with the Templars.  Can anyone confirm this?

Well I'm at the very end right now. I just got up.
But I cna go check it out. Since I'm romancing him in this playthrough. This I will doooo.

Rivalry apparently has to be at 100% so check that out.

[Dunizel]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Well dang.

Even the guide said that Anders wouldn't side with the Templars.  Can anyone confirm this?

Wait, this is incredibly interesting!
So, I can side with the Templars and keep Anders with me if I fully rivalmance him? This might save a playthrough :°D I planned to do a ****ty playthrough just for the "side with the templars 5 times" and became the viscount, but if I can rivalmance Anders and keep him...sound yummy And I get the kiss at the Gallows.
 And it seems really interesting to try...as of now I always had Anders friendly, always supported mages, and he is easily the first one to reach 100 friendly.

[Magaloo]

Anyone that played a rival romance saw this kiss or is it super hard and intricate to get all the checks right for this to happen?

*fake french accent are the worst huuuhuuu huuuuh baguette* Where I live some people seem to think its fun to fake it for me so I kind of got my quota on this.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Well.
I just asked him to join the templars on my friendshipmance playthrough....and he told me he's rather die.
So once I finish my rivalmance playthrough...which will probably be around one in the morning since I have to go to class today....ugh....I'll let you guys know. If someone else doesn't.

[LastFadingSmile]

Dunizel wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Well dang.

Even the guide said that Anders wouldn't side with the Templars.  Can anyone confirm this?

Wait, this is incredibly interesting!
So, I can side with the Templars and keep Anders with me if I fully rivalmance him? This might save a playthrough :°D I planned to do a ****ty playthrough just for the "side with the templars 5 times" and became the viscount, but if I can rivalmance Anders and keep him...sound yummy And I get the kiss at the Gallows.
 And it seems really interesting to try...as of now I always had Anders friendly, always supported mages, and he is easily the first one to reach 100 friendly.

Yeah, maybe all's not lost for my abandoned Rival playthrough either. While I still don't really enjoy the feel of the relationship, the revelations from the last few days, and now THIS, make it much more intriguing.

But man, it's still going to feel so wrong.

[Threeparts]

Now I am completely and utterly torn on whether a rivalry or friendship path is best to take to help him. I don't want to kill the mages, and I don't want to hurt the poor lad after all he's been through, but finally making him realise the mistake of playing host to J/V might be worth it. Then again, if he can't change it anyway, would it be better for him to accept it as on the Friendship path, instead of having another thing he can't change added to an already guilty conscience?

[Ninche]

[quote]RinjiRenee wrote...

Well dang.



What the hell, making him kill all the mages would be so messed up!! Also I don't think the rivalmance keeps him fighting Justice's control and is a GOOD thing, what it does, I believe, is cause him even more turmoil and tear at his heart for loving someone who stands against everything he believes in until he is driven totally mad with pain and confusion. But damn, does that mean that he would finally wish to be free of Justice? I am torn myself right now

[Ninche]

"Anders in Awakening was very up-front about how sexually adventurous the Ferelden Circle was. While he does not specify if he has had past relationships with men, he certainly does not show any degree of sexual hang-up. Since he has chosen to allow a male-seeming friend to actually enter and share his body and soul, I could not personally imagine that he would draw the line at having sex with a man. There is nothing he could possibly do with Hawke or Karl or anyone else that comes close to the intimacy he has with Justice." - Hepler

Ouch I think Hepler just broke my heart...

[Purposeof-Flight]

Threeparts wrote...

Now I am completely and utterly torn on whether a rivalry or friendship path is best to take to help him. I don't want to kill the mages, and I don't want to hurt the poor lad after all he's been through, but finally making him realise the mistake of playing host to J/V might be worth it. Then again, if he can't change it anyway, would it be better for him to accept it as on the Friendship path, instead of having another thing he can't change added to an already guilty conscience?

I kinda like the rivalmance so far.
He's trying so hard to convert me, and I'm just going, "Well, I hate your politics, but we have other things in common." Then he glares and snarls and gets all passionate about mages yet again. At one point, he asked me why everything I said made him want to wring my neck....an obvious rhetorical question.

[SurelyForth]

I...think that Anders might be ruined for me now. I find the idea of him EVER siding with the templars for the Rite to be so profoundly hypocritical that I cannot even stand it.

[tallon1982]

Hm dammit now I have to rival-mance Anders and see how the damn Templar ending goes...*mutters and goes to roll a psycho warrior* Time to make 'red sonja'

[Threeparts]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Now I am completely and utterly torn on whether a rivalry or friendship path is best to take to help him. I don't want to kill the mages, and I don't want to hurt the poor lad after all he's been through, but finally making him realise the mistake of playing host to J/V might be worth it. Then again, if he can't change it anyway, would it be better for him to accept it as on the Friendship path, instead of having another thing he can't change added to an already guilty conscience?

I kinda like the rivalmance so far.
He's trying so hard to convert me, and I'm just going, "Well, I hate your politics, but we have other things in common." Then he glares and snarls and gets all passionate about mages yet again. At one point, he asked me why everything I said made him want to wring my neck....an obvious rhetorical question.

The hard part is that I completely agree with his politics. I don't agree with the abomination thing, or the blowing up of the chantry, but I'm passionately pro-mage, and there just doesn't seem to be a happy medium between the two where I could encourage him to fight Justice while still agreeing with his cause. The one rivalmance I'm working on with him just makes me feel terrible, so it rarely gets played.
Oh well, maybe he and my canon Hawke can work on that aspect after they run away together.

[nyxocity]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Well dang.

Even the guide said that Anders wouldn't side with the Templars.  Can anyone confirm this?

I can't confirm it, but I can tell you back on page 256 of this thread someone was just talking about this scene, and how they triggered the flags manually or something to be able to watch it. Everyone was assuming this was a scene that got left out of the final ending because it wouldn't make sense with respect to his character. Knowing this does put that scene in perspective for me, but turning him into a mage-killer that sides with the Templars?

I can't even talk about this right now. Need time to process.

[Threeparts]

SurelyForth wrote...

I...think that Anders might be ruined for me now. I find the idea of him EVER siding with the templars for the Rite to be so profoundly hypocritical that I cannot even stand it.

I'm secretly going to put it down to rival!Hawke so successfully screwing with his head that he no longer knows which way is up, let alone who he's siding with. Hawke just broke him. 

[YamiSnuffles]

SurelyForth wrote...

I...think that Anders might be ruined for me now. I find the idea of him EVER siding with the templars for the Rite to be so profoundly hypocritical that I cannot even stand it.

Yeah, I'm not sure if he's quite ruined for me, but the fact that he can side with the Templars seems immensely wrong to me. That alone guarantees I could never go 100% rival with him.

[Magaloo]

SurelyForth wrote...

I...think that Anders might be ruined for me now. I find the idea of him EVER siding with the templars for the Rite to be so profoundly hypocritical that I cannot even stand it.

I agree if we just look at Anders from what we experiment in game.  I feel that what Jennifer has commented on through the boards changes that a bit.  The way she explained that if you rival romance Anders you can really make him feel like J/V is really manipulating him like a puppet really and it was a bad idea from the start that perverted his desire to free the mages.  In Awakening Anders really dont care for the plight of his fellow mage so I can understand how Justice is the one pushing through it.  in that case I can understand how he could be convinced to side with templar to fix what he has done while being in Anders mode. 

That said... all that does not really transpire during a regular playthrough so i understand your disgust at the idea of him siding against the mages.  Personally it is not something I desire to see. 

[Purposeof-Flight]

Threeparts wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Now I am completely and utterly torn on whether a rivalry or friendship path is best to take to help him. I don't want to kill the mages, and I don't want to hurt the poor lad after all he's been through, but finally making him realise the mistake of playing host to J/V might be worth it. Then again, if he can't change it anyway, would it be better for him to accept it as on the Friendship path, instead of having another thing he can't change added to an already guilty conscience?

I kinda like the rivalmance so far.
He's trying so hard to convert me, and I'm just going, "Well, I hate your politics, but we have other things in common." Then he glares and snarls and gets all passionate about mages yet again. At one point, he asked me why everything I said made him want to wring my neck....an obvious rhetorical question.

The hard part is that I completely agree with his politics. I don't agree with the abomination thing, or the blowing up of the chantry, but I'm passionately pro-mage, and there just doesn't seem to be a happy medium between the two where I could encourage him to fight Justice while still agreeing with his cause. The one rivalmance I'm working on with him just makes me feel terrible, so it rarely gets played.
Oh well, maybe he and my canon Hawke can work on that aspect after they run away together.

Well I didn't agree with Knight-Commander's Meredith's decision at the end....
But for the entirety of the game, the mages were so QUICK to resort to blood magic. They were so quick to throw their Circle training out the window and summon demons. I mean, even if you save that one girl Grace, she completely turns on you and becomes an abomination. And it was a psychopath mage that killed Hawke's mother....there were a few sour apples in the templar ranks, yes....but the mages were out.of.control in Kirkwall.

So...I guess my final belief is that the Circle IS needed.

[salemslot]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

Well i guess i really have to make that rivalmance playthrough now...

[Magaloo]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Well I didn't agree with Knight-Commander's Meredith's decision at the end....
But for the entirety of the game, the mages were so QUICK to resort to blood magic. They were so quick to throw their Circle training out the window and summon demons. I mean, even if you save that one girl Grace, she completely turns on you and becomes an abomination. And it was a psychopath mage that killed Hawke's mother....there were a few sour apples in the templar ranks, yes....but the mages were out.of.control in Kirkwall.

So...I guess my final belief is that the Circle IS needed.

Yes but we never saw that in Ferelden! I think it is just Kirkwall needing a strong circle or even mages not being allowed within 50 miles of that hellmouth of a town!  Even non mages get possessed there.  I am pro mage, no circle everywhere BUT around kirkwall I may be pro Qunari methods!

[CrookedAsylum]

Threeparts wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I...think that Anders might be ruined for me now. I find the idea of him EVER siding with the templars for the Rite to be so profoundly hypocritical that I cannot even stand it.

I'm secretly going to put it down to rival!Hawke so successfully screwing with his head that he no longer knows which way is up, let alone who he's siding with. Hawke just broke him. 

Didn't Jennifer say that the rivalmance basically make Anders reject Justice and, as a result, make him question everything he's doing and his own thoughts?

[Dunizel]

In a rivarly path, assuming he realizes enough that Vengeance is pulling him around more than he would like to, and considered even that mages in Kirkwall are not exactly free of guilt...out of love for you, he might probably follow you. Maybe asking for redemption. But really, Orsino turned to blood magic, and we got to kill Meredith no matter what. In my head canon, in this scenario, if I will ever rule Kirkwall I'll leave it to Anders to rebuilt again some sort of order for the mages.

Sure, it will still take some heart of stone to let him fight against mages, something I woulnd't be able to do...but my Hawke might. I would probably just let him go...

I'm still thinking about it, it is an interestign outcome...

[Rinji the Bearded]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I...think that Anders might be ruined for me now. I find the idea of him EVER siding with the templars for the Rite to be so profoundly hypocritical that I cannot even stand it.

I'm secretly going to put it down to rival!Hawke so successfully screwing with his head that he no longer knows which way is up, let alone who he's siding with. Hawke just broke him. 

Didn't Jennifer say that the rivalmance basically make Anders reject Justice and, as a result, make him question everything he's doing and his own thoughts?

Right, and he blames the bombing of the Chantry on Vengeance, and his own inability to control him anymore.

[CrookedAsylum]

Magaloo wrote...

Yes but we never saw that in Ferelden! I think it is just Kirkwall needing a strong circle or even mages not being allowed within 50 miles of that hellmouth of a town!  Even non mages get possessed there.  I am pro mage, no circle everywhere BUT around kirkwall I may be pro Qunari methods!

I think the whacko magic in Kirkwall was the result of horrible mage treatment, wasn't it? Meredith was bat****, you had dudes like Alarik around every corner abusing the Rite of Tranquility - and the mages afterwards - and too many people turning blind eyes to it. Not to mention that if you harbored a mage you suffered who knows what.

The Templar order in Kirkwall was completely maniacal.

[CrookedAsylum]

RinjiRenee wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Didn't Jennifer say that the rivalmance basically make Anders reject Justice and, as a result, make him question everything he's doing and his own thoughts?

Right, and he blames the bombing of the Chantry on Vengeance, and his own inability to control him anymore.

Ouch. Sounds like his mind is going to get ripped to shreds.

[Threeparts]

All right, I think it's time for a repost, in light of these revelations:



Back to your regularly scheduled Anders Fan Thread bipolar downswing!

Modifié par Threeparts, 25 mars 2011 - 04:25 .