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[nyxocity]

Aigyl wrote...

*shamelessly pokes into Anders thread*

Just to say that on my game this was bugged. Had the fellow at full rivalry and had convinced him that he was wrong. After siding with the Templars he wouldn't budge from his seat to come join the party again.

*pokes out*

Thanks for letting us know!

ETA: This is what I feel this thread needs right now:


by RedPawFigurines

Modifié par thenyxie, 25 mars 2011 - 05:54 .

[DeaHamlet]

thenyxie wrote...

lamppostinwinter wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

lamppostinwinter wrote...

I find it really intresting that someone had to go into the debug to find out about this whole Anders' siding with the Templars business. Which means no one went full rivalry, kept him alive, then sided with the Templars. Or at least no one said anything about it, which is extreamly unlikely because stumbling on something that crazy is not something you keep quiet about.

Still trying to process the idea of this. I'm going to have to do a playthrough with that path before I really decide how I feel about it. It's kind of breaking my brain right now though.

However, it is messed up that you only get a kiss from Anders if are a total jerk to him the whole game and then you force him to kill the people he had been fighting for. Forget about Hawke being emotionally abused by him, seems like Anders' is the one with battered wife syndrome.

I agree that it's unfair friendmancers do not get a kiss.
I demand a kiss, damn it!!!!
Fenris kisses me either way, it's unfair!  Prejudice!

So unfair. How is slaughtering mages more romantic than "let's run away and be fugitives together"? I had no idea the genocide of the people he had sacrificed his sanity for got Anders hot and bothered. What the hell.

I don't think it is that. I think what it is (and this is what disturbs me most about this entire reveal), is that maybe at the end of the rivalmance, you're dealing with pure ANDERS, no Justice. So you get a human reaction. At the end of the friendmance, he has merged with Justice completely and nothing is more important than the mission of saving the mages. Kissing you would be a distraction from the mission.

I... really don't like that explanation. But it's the only one that makes sense to me.

Well... Justice/Anders better get with the program because... just cause I'm fighting for mage freedom doesn't mean there won't be naughty naughty things happening on Isa's ship later that night!  Yes, my Hawke is shameless and needs to release all the ARG and GODDAMNIT insane Kirkwall... with some sex.  Shameless.

[Threeparts]

DeaHamlet wrote...

I don't see how siding with the templars would change how hurt or angry and upset Hawke is at the moment.
So if it's weird for him to initiate a kiss for one, it's weird for both ocasions. 
All I wanted was a side wheelie option or something... 
Or you know... like every other RPG... TO SLEEP WITH HIM BEFORE THE BIG FIGHT.
Damn it, I'm not dying without a last minute nookie.

Oh sure, I wouldn't want the kiss on that side either, but I can imagine Anders needing to feel some kind of reassurance before he takes that step. If my canon Hawke somehow decided to side with the templars, she would still punch him in the face.

Frankly, what I would have liked in those final moments is a frigging hug from our siblings. If they're still alive, Bethany/Carver and Hawke are the only family the other has left, and a hug before the big fight wouldn't be too much to ask for, no?

[nyxocity]

DeaHamlet wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

lamppostinwinter wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

lamppostinwinter wrote...

I find it really intresting that someone had to go into the debug to find out about this whole Anders' siding with the Templars business. Which means no one went full rivalry, kept him alive, then sided with the Templars. Or at least no one said anything about it, which is extreamly unlikely because stumbling on something that crazy is not something you keep quiet about.

Still trying to process the idea of this. I'm going to have to do a playthrough with that path before I really decide how I feel about it. It's kind of breaking my brain right now though.

However, it is messed up that you only get a kiss from Anders if are a total jerk to him the whole game and then you force him to kill the people he had been fighting for. Forget about Hawke being emotionally abused by him, seems like Anders' is the one with battered wife syndrome.

I agree that it's unfair friendmancers do not get a kiss.
I demand a kiss, damn it!!!!
Fenris kisses me either way, it's unfair!  Prejudice!

So unfair. How is slaughtering mages more romantic than "let's run away and be fugitives together"? I had no idea the genocide of the people he had sacrificed his sanity for got Anders hot and bothered. What the hell.

I don't think it is that. I think what it is (and this is what disturbs me most about this entire reveal), is that maybe at the end of the rivalmance, you're dealing with pure ANDERS, no Justice. So you get a human reaction. At the end of the friendmance, he has merged with Justice completely and nothing is more important than the mission of saving the mages. Kissing you would be a distraction from the mission.

I... really don't like that explanation. But it's the only one that makes sense to me.

Well... Justice/Anders better get with the program because... just cause I'm fighting for mage freedom doesn't mean there won't be naughty naughty things happening on Isa's ship later that night!  Yes, my Hawke is shameless and needs to release all the ARG and GODDAMNIT insane Kirkwall... with some sex.  Shameless.

Heh *G* Well of course. Maybe I should say; kissing Hawke right NOW during the battle would be a distraction.

[LastFadingSmile]

Threeparts wrote...

Kolotosa wrote...

You know what, I think I'm just going to continue on my merry way as if none of this happened, because to do otherwise makes me sad. I'll remember as time as far back as yesterday, when the biggest challenge I had to face was eyebrows.

Why eyebrows? The part where they're darker than his hair? So are mine in real life (brown hair, black eyebrows), and my BFFs husband has ginger eyebrows and beard with blonde hair. 

Oh no, not that. I was referring to my complete inability to focus on anything else once they start waggling. 

[leggywillow]

DeaHamlet wrote...
I don't see how siding with the templars would change how hurt or angry and upset Hawke is at the moment.
So if it's weird for him to initiate a kiss for one, it's weird for both ocasions. 
All I wanted was a side wheelie option or something... 
Or you know... like every other RPG... TO SLEEP WITH HIM BEFORE THE BIG FIGHT.
Damn it, I'm not dying without a last minute nookie.

Exactly!  Priorities, people!  Emotional conflict, realism... bah!  I want teh sexy times!

[SurelyForth]

Anarya wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

I agree that it's unfair friendmancers do not get a kiss.
I demand a kiss, damn it!!!!
Fenris kisses me either way, it's unfair!  Prejudice!

You know, I can't claim to know why friendmancers don't get a kiss, but Anders is such a controversial and divisive character, and what he does can turn what you feel for him into rage and disgust rather easily. A kiss might have felt uncomfortable at that moment.

I realize that most people who reacted with disgust to Anders probably killed him, but I had such mixed emotions about him during the endgame. I couldn't kill him but I was definitely not happy with what he did, and a kiss would have felt weird. I dunno.

I think it's because a kiss would undermine the seriousness of the moment and his involvement in what happened. The Friendship path seems, to me, acceptance of who Anders is now, with Justice and the cause and everything. And, in the end, it is the cause that they are fighting for and the cause that will take precedence in Anders' life. When Hawke agrees to join him in freedom fighting, s/he is agreeing to a certain role in his life and accepting an arrangement of sorts where Hawke will have to be ok with not being his top priority and where they will be sacrificing immediate and traditional love and happiness in the hopes of changing the world enough that, eventually, no one will ever have to sacrifice their love or happiness because of magic.

And I think you would only get the kiss if he sides with the templars, no? I've not heard that the dialogue for rivals is different in the Gallows. That would make sense, even though...*dies*.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 25 mars 2011 - 06:03 .

[DeaHamlet]

What I wanted was a pow-wow with all my mates, a group hug, a choice to kiss my lover if I wanted to (whoever that may be)... then happily go to die in battle.
I wasn't too upset that Anders didn't kiss me, I was melting at all the talk of running off and whatnots, I am so silly for Anders, it's ridiculous. Hawke mage really purrs when he talks of mage freedom and running off and defending people... *sigh*... But I am miffed that rivalry and making him fight with the templars leads to a kiss but it doesn't otherwise. Blah. I'm miffed generally at the idea that he can side with the templars...

You know what... forget the whole thing. I never rival with him, I never have to consider that, all that stuff simply doesn't exist in my universe. In my universe Hawke either sides with him, as a friend or as a lover... having supported and had a major crush on him either way... or she doesn't and he dies of poetic justice being insta-killed by Fenris in battle defending the mages.
And I am happy with MY universe.

[Threeparts]

Kolotosa wrote...

Oh no, not that. I was referring to my complete inability to focus on anything else once they start waggling. 

He needs to do more eyebrow-raising, I think. I grin whenever he throws in his old smart-ass comments, but it's just not the same without the constant smirking and eyebrow-raising. 

[Dunizel]

crotti wrote...

I can't help thinking "Assuming direct control" all the time. I don't know why.
Good job, Anders. Now I'm completely insane. Just like you.

T_T Ser Pouts-A-Lot is evil.

Is it normal that I created the character ten minutes ago, looked at Ser Pouts-a-Lot image, and I threw out of the window the idea of rivalmance siding with the templars?

He is driving us mad, mad I tell you!

I'll just go with a rivalmance, ok. Just because he will pout-a-lot more.

[nyxocity]

SurelyForth wrote...

Anarya wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

I agree that it's unfair friendmancers do not get a kiss.
I demand a kiss, damn it!!!!
Fenris kisses me either way, it's unfair!  Prejudice!

You know, I can't claim to know why friendmancers don't get a kiss, but Anders is such a controversial and divisive character, and what he does can turn what you feel for him into rage and disgust rather easily. A kiss might have felt uncomfortable at that moment.

I realize that most people who reacted with disgust to Anders probably killed him, but I had such mixed emotions about him during the endgame. I couldn't kill him but I was definitely not happy with what he did, and a kiss would have felt weird. I dunno.

I think it's because a kiss would undermine the seriousness of the moment and his involvement in what happened. The Friendship path seems, to me, acceptance of who Anders is now, with Justice and the cause and everything. And, in the end, it is the cause that they are fighting for and the cause that will take precedence in Anders' life. When Hawke agrees to join him in freedom fighting, s/he is agreeing to a certain role in his life and accepting an arrangement of sorts where Hawke will have to be ok with not being his top priority and where they will be sacrificing immediate and traditional love and happiness in the hopes of changing the world enough that, eventually, no one will ever have to sacrifice their love or happiness because of magic.

Oh, I like this explanation so much better than mine. I think I'm going to make that my canon.

[Rinji the Bearded]

I KNOW WHAT THIS THREAD NEEDS.



MMM.

[DeaHamlet]

thenyxie wrote...
Heh *G* Well of course. Maybe I should say; kissing Hawke right NOW during the battle would be a distraction.

You know what?  I can see that.  I can totally see that.  I was oohing and aahing after Fenris kissed me and I wasn't a very good leader during the Orsino/Meredith fights at all... good thing my mates know what to do, hehe.  
So yeah, good on you Justice/Anders, no distracting the pretty mage with kisses.  

[DeaHamlet]

leggywillow wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...
I don't see how siding with the templars would change how hurt or angry and upset Hawke is at the moment.
So if it's weird for him to initiate a kiss for one, it's weird for both ocasions. 
All I wanted was a side wheelie option or something... 
Or you know... like every other RPG... TO SLEEP WITH HIM BEFORE THE BIG FIGHT.
Damn it, I'm not dying without a last minute nookie.

Exactly!  Priorities, people!  Emotional conflict, realism... bah!  I want teh sexy times!

Does it make me a bad person? There's not enough sexy times in this game!!!! Not enough, damn it!

[leggywillow]

DeaHamlet wrote...

leggywillow wrote...
Exactly!  Priorities, people!  Emotional conflict, realism... bah!  I want teh sexy times!

Does it make me a bad person? There's not enough sexy times in this game!!!! Not enough, damn it!

If you're a bad person, then I am too.  We need more Anders sexiness!

[Anarya]

SurelyForth wrote...

I think it's because a kiss would undermine the seriousness of the moment and his involvement in what happened. The Friendship path seems, to me, acceptance of who Anders is now, with Justice and the cause and everything. And, in the end, it is the cause that they are fighting for and the cause that will take precedence in Anders' life. When Hawke agrees to join him in freedom fighting, s/he is agreeing to a certain role in his life and accepting an arrangement of sorts where Hawke will have to be ok with not being his top priority and where they will be sacrificing immediate and traditional love and happiness in the hopes of changing the world enough that, eventually, no one will ever have to sacrifice their love or happiness because of magic.

And I think you would only get the kiss if he sides with the templars, no? I've not heard that the dialogue for rivals is different in the Gallows. That would make sense, even though...*dies*.

Hm well said.

[Threeparts]

RinjiRenee wrote...
I KNOW WHAT THIS THREAD NEEDS.

-snip-

MMM.

No, no. This is way more Hawke's style:

[LT123]

Must...do...rivalmance...
This will be hard. Gah. I'll have to do a rogue or warrior instead of a mage, because I can't picture having a mage Hawke that is pro-Circle.

Sorry, Fenris. Maybe next playthrough.

[nyxocity]

DeaHamlet wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
Heh *G* Well of course. Maybe I should say; kissing Hawke right NOW during the battle would be a distraction.

You know what?  I can see that.  I can totally see that.  I was oohing and aahing after Fenris kissed me and I wasn't a very good leader during the Orsino/Meredith fights at all... good thing my mates know what to do, hehe.  
So yeah, good on you Justice/Anders, no distracting the pretty mage with kisses.  

Yeah, that part alone makes sense and is not depressing

I want to ignore this whole Anders sides w/ the Templars business, too, and I think I will. The thing that troubles me about it the most is that it's yet again another gray area for me. Proof that there's no true GOOD to be had at either end of the spectrum; just choices that mostly suck. At least when I forgave Anders and saved the mages, I felt like I did the right thing--my character still feels she did the right thing, but now I'M confused. Making me quesion whether or not it would be kinder (eventually, post-game) to convince him to separate from Justice just messes with my head all over again.

[DeaHamlet]

thenyxie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Anarya wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

I agree that it's unfair friendmancers do not get a kiss.
I demand a kiss, damn it!!!!
Fenris kisses me either way, it's unfair!  Prejudice!

You know, I can't claim to know why friendmancers don't get a kiss, but Anders is such a controversial and divisive character, and what he does can turn what you feel for him into rage and disgust rather easily. A kiss might have felt uncomfortable at that moment.

I realize that most people who reacted with disgust to Anders probably killed him, but I had such mixed emotions about him during the endgame. I couldn't kill him but I was definitely not happy with what he did, and a kiss would have felt weird. I dunno.

I think it's because a kiss would undermine the seriousness of the moment and his involvement in what happened. The Friendship path seems, to me, acceptance of who Anders is now, with Justice and the cause and everything. And, in the end, it is the cause that they are fighting for and the cause that will take precedence in Anders' life. When Hawke agrees to join him in freedom fighting, s/he is agreeing to a certain role in his life and accepting an arrangement of sorts where Hawke will have to be ok with not being his top priority and where they will be sacrificing immediate and traditional love and happiness in the hopes of changing the world enough that, eventually, no one will ever have to sacrifice their love or happiness because of magic.

Oh, I like this explanation so much better than mine. I think I'm going to make that my canon.

You know what?  I also love this.  It makes sense for my Hawke mage with Anders.  She's very much cause-first kind of lady, like the warden... so she would totally dig this.  That's probably why all that talk made her purr (she's still a naughty girl and wanted more haha). 
My less selfless lady Hawkes go for Fenris.  Well, my rogue was all "can't we all just get along? no? fine, sigh, toss coin? what will make this not turn into a war? okay, let's try Meredith's side... o.O DAMNYOUMEREDITH"... so she wasn't very mission oriented.  And then my mage Hawke for Fenris is very mission oriented and Fenris will just have to realize he's second to the cause of mage freedom (the elf seems the type to roll with that, he seems so loyal eep).
I don't see why mage Hawke with Anders would be bothered by mission first, as long as she gets the sexy times at night in the tent .

[Kitimandiri]

I'm doing a rivalmance with him this play through. Can you side with the Templars and still have him stay with you?

[Rinji the Bearded]

Threeparts wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
I KNOW WHAT THIS THREAD NEEDS.

-snip-

MMM.

No, no. This is way more Hawke's style:

MMM, NUTELLANDERS SANDWICH

[SurelyForth]

leggywillow wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

leggywillow wrote...
Exactly!  Priorities, people!  Emotional conflict, realism... bah!  I want teh sexy times!

Does it make me a bad person? There's not enough sexy times in this game!!!! Not enough, damn it!

If you're a bad person, then I am too.  We need more Anders sexiness!

I think there should definitely be a cutscene at the beginning of Act 3. Anything past that might feel weird, considering how he's falling apart all over the place and planning his bombing and his readying himself for certain death.

Hawke: So, uh, you were really into it last night.
Anders: Was I? 
Hawke: Yeah. I mean, it's always good but you were especially...explosive.
Anders: *groans*
Hawke: *angry eyes*
Anders: I swear, I wasn't thinking about anything. Just you.
Hawke: *angry eyes*
Anders: And the fact that I might never get to be with you again, since I thought someone would have killed me by now.
Hawke: *disturbed eyes*
Anders: Exactly.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 25 mars 2011 - 06:16 .

[Herr Uhl]

Kitimandiri wrote...

I'm doing a rivalmance with him this play through. Can you side with the Templars and still have him stay with you?

Seems that way.