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[Anarya]

Dunizel wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

But Orsino goes mad because of the Annulment. Orsino tried to compromise with Meredith to save the Circle, and she refused him.

I know, even though I still though he overdid it. I sided with him, supported him all the way through...then he turns into an abomination with necromancy in front of my eyes. And then I had to defeat him. It didn't make sense in that situation,  he wasn't even in front of Meredith, a bunch of templars just died....we weren't dead...
It was the only thing I didn't like of the epilogue...
Meredith, I understand she had to die either way...but ordino...I was sad, I liked him...

This scene makes a whole lot more sense if you side with the Templars because Meredith is actually right there when he does it. It makes no sense at all if you side with mages though, and I have problems with it for that reason.

[leggywillow]

DragonRacer wrote...

leggywillow wrote...
Which reminds me another It's Always Sunny episode...

Anders: Cannibalism?  Racism?  Look, Justice, those decisions are better left to the suits in Washington.  We're just here to eat some dude.

First off, totally  you, leggy!

Secondly, all that Sunny talk makes me think of an AU for Act 1. Instead of Hawke running around with Varric trying to raise money for the Deep Roads Expedition, it's a spin-off of the "Dennis & Dee Go On Welfare" episode...

Varric & Hawke (sitting on front steps of The Hanged Man with ale mugs & a boombox, singing): "You... you got what I need... but you say 'he's just a friend'... but you say 'he's just a friend'..."

Anders (walks up to them): "Are... are you two drunk?!"

Varric & Hawke look up at him and grin cheekily, obviously hammered.

Anders: "It's nine-o-clock in the morning!"

Varric reaches over a turns the boombox up. He and Hawke resume singing "Just A Friend" even louder. Anders walks off in disgust.

YESSSSS!  I was trying so hard to find a clip of that scene a few days ago for something Anders-related.  For the life of me I can't remember what, but I definitely thought of it.

Now I can see Varric and Hawke walking into the welfare office... Hawke with a bicycle helmet on her head...

EDIT: I also think Fenris would be Charlie, just because of the whole "I can't read" thing. XD

Modifié par leggywillow, 25 mars 2011 - 08:16 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

I still want a "B****es don't know bout my sparklefingers" banner. I suck at making banners though :\\

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Anarya wrote...

This scene makes a whole lot more sense if you side with the Templars because Meredith is actually right there when he does it. It makes no sense at all if you side with mages though, and I have problems with it for that reason.

I like it as a last example or evidence of mages turning to blood magic only when the alternative seems to be accepting death, but I was scratching my head as well. I was like, dude, you have the Champion right here... we'll make it, probably. Y u do dis?

Mages aren't a very optimistic bunch.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 25 mars 2011 - 08:15 .

[CrookedAsylum]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I still want a "B****es don't know bout my sparklefingers" banner. I suck at making banners though :

This would be perfect combined with Anders face cropped onto Sturtting Leonardo.

[nyxocity]

Raelis27 wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
Nevermind, I think I got too specific. Other people answered better without being as spoilery.

Move along, nothing to see here

Oh come on, I'm really interested in what you have to say! I am so spoiled at this point that worrying about spoilers is pointless! I know pretty much all important things that happen in the game - and it's all because I had no patience and lurked at these forums before getting my hands on the game. It's my fault alone, but too late crying over spilt milk, I guess.

Oh, it wasn't that big a deal! I just gave you the basic tree branch options you'd have from the point the Chantry blows to the end of dealing with Anders in the aftermath. It's very specific though, and I wasn't sure you wanted to be that spoiled Do you want to be that spoiled? The others basically summed wihtout getting too specific. With friendmance you can definitely disapprove, and he doesn't feel great about what he's done, he views it has something he had to do. Rivalmance kind of tears him and Justice apart, so Justice takes the blame for blowing the Chantry, but not much else changes because the ending to get him to join the Templars seems to be bugged. You can definitely chastise him, though.

[shiba5]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

Hey guys -- some days back, someone posted a comment about having shown the Anders kiss scene to non-gamer friends and having them rush out to buy DA. I can't find it -- can someone point me to where that comment is?

I showed the whole romance scene to my mom who was quite fascinated by it. She kept asking me how I was making them "say all that stuff". Unfortunately, then I switched to combat. "OMG! Why are the people exploding?!" It's ok mom, go back to Angry Birds.  /sigh

[Ryzaki]

Oh god I am so torn about the new Anders ending.

On one hand YES to him realizing Justice isn't good for him. 

On the other BOO to working with Templars jerks.

Is there anyway to get that speech even though you side with the Mages? Because him going all "YES JUSTICE!" at the endof the mage enhding with a rivalry mance is jarring. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 mars 2011 - 08:19 .

[Kawamura]

Since I've been distracted by signitures, it's honestly how I see my Hawke and Anders. I'm sure that's not natural and that I'm doing this "emotional drama" thing wrong.

[LastFadingSmile]

My cat just puked his entire meal up all over my carpet.

Am I wrong in thinking maybe Anders dodged a bullet when the Wardens took his away? >

[nyxocity]

Dunizel wrote...

There is only one clear thing in all this mess. Go to hell, Sebastian!
But, he said just one right thing to Meredith. "Why are we discussing the Right of Annulment when we have the killer here?" Really, why? That's the reason I can't honestly side with the templars in that situation.

I've just decided I'll rivalmance with my male Warrior, just because with a female I woulnd't resist the fluffiness of the friendly romance.
Then we will see what will happen at the Gallows. But so far no one managed to have that scene...maybe it is bugged, or maybe it requires some very specific choices...
I think that it's not like he sides with the templars...he just wants to stand beside Hawke, because he understood he/she cares for him, and through a rivalmance he understood that Vengeance is pulling him around more than he woulld have liked. I was scared when he said that something he doesn't remember things...I think he is looking for redemption only at the eyes of Hawke, trying to believe that that is the right thing to do (even fenris does the same thing to an extent).  

It would make all more sense if Anders could accept to side with the templars after Orsine goes mad...it could be justified then.

The video of Anders siding with the Templars is here:

[Dunizel]

I know, but it was obtained through console As of now, even in the other thread, everyone who tried a rivalmance and sided with the templars didn't manage to get that outcome

[Inzhuna]

There's someone who claims they did, and they didn't romance Anders. Could it be getting bugged because of romance flags?

[Dunizel]

No romance, but he accepting to side with the templars, blows away every excuse I could imagine though o.o

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

shiba5 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Yeah, I defintely want people to use their imagination. I want them to be able to visualize Hawke having a wider array of emotions aside from diplomatic, snarky, and agressive. I feel they pulled it off better with Shepard. Even diplomatic Shepard would have had a harder time swallowing the pill Ander's offered than Hawke did. Hawke seemed way too cool with how events unfolded when I know a lot of players were still going "What the f.....?!"

I'm still catching up...

I wanted a "Punch him in the face/You sleep in the dog house for the rest of the week" option.

Hawke's responses seemed too casual for what had just happened. I was still pissed off, and the options to choose from were too limited.

Yeah, that's how I see it and why I feel compelled to write about it because Hawke didn't react the way a feel a real person should have. She was either really mad or forgave him too quickly.

[Raelis27]

thenyxie wrote...

Oh, it wasn't that big a deal! I just gave you the basic tree branch options you'd have from the point the Chantry blows to the end of dealing with Anders in the aftermath. It's very specific though, and I wasn't sure you wanted to be that spoiled Do you want to be that spoiled? The others basically summed wihtout getting too specific. With friendmance you can definitely disapprove, and he doesn't feel great about what he's done, he views it has something he had to do. Rivalmance kind of tears him and Justice apart, so Justice takes the blame for blowing the Chantry, but not much else changes because the ending to get him to join the Templars seems to be bugged. You can definitely chastise him, though.

Heh. No, I guess I don't want to be that spoiled! Thanks for being considerate! I am glad that there's an option to chastise him on the Friendship path, but I'm angry that encouraging him to fight Justice is only reserved for those who rival him. Why is there no option to support his cause and not be completely OK with his being an abomination?

I'm also interested in the way rivalmance is equaled to tough love. Is it true? Reading the forums, I got the impression rivalmace was not so much making Anders face his flaws and fight them, but more about disagreeing with him about mages and templars. To me that's very different things. I do want to call hikm out on some things, but at the same time I am passionately pro-mage.

t's not even Anders that bugs me, it's the fact that I can't roleplay Hawke the way I want. I'm so uncomfortable with both paths at the moment I honestly don't know what to do. I don't want to romance anyone else, though. To me Anders is the most interesting and appealing character in this game.

[greatbriton]

Do any of you guys know if you can rivalmance Anders without being Anti-Mage?  Like just anti-Abomination and insanely harsh on anybody who is near Blood Magic?  I want my next playthrough to be a mage but it feels weird being completely pro-templar as a mage.

Also.  I've been seeing that friending Anders seems to make him and Justice get along better and rivalry seems to make Anders want to separate a bit.  My current playthrough, non-romance friendship, he has given me a lot of stuff I didn't see in my friendmance playthrough.  He keep referring to Justice as "him" and "vengeance".  I'm a snarky and sometimes rude mage and I've gotten Justice to pop out a few times and I didn't pick the persuade interrupt for his Companion quest where Justice comes out and attacks that young mage girl.  He killed her.   So now he keeps telling me I'll help him keep control and seems to be rather against Justice atm.

Anybody else get this?  It's feels like I kind of rivaled him but didn't.

[Raelis27]

greatbriton wrote...

Do any of you guys know if you can rivalmance Anders without being Anti-Mage?  Like just anti-Abomination and insanely harsh on anybody who is near Blood Magic?  I want my next playthrough to be a mage but it feels weird being completely pro-templar as a mage.

I second that question.

[Ryzaki]

lamppostinwinter wrote...

nenosronhir wrote...

 But I think it's a little too presumtpuous to say one path is better for a character than another. 8<

It's just my personal perspective, whether my personal opinion match up with what would actually be best for them I really don't know. I know they're really are no happy endings or better endings, either way there is always something that makes which path Hawke took questionable. It's more about choosing what you think is the lesser of the two evils. Just in my perspective things tend to suck the least when Hawke disagrees with them and pushes them a little to question themselves. In the case of Fenris, it does seems he can work his issues out just fine on his own either way. Personally, I prefer the tough love route because to me it seems like it helps them, but that may be me convincing myself that being a jerk will eventually pay off. 

I agree with you. Neither is truly "better" in anything other than personal interpretation. 

Rivalrymance could be filled with as much love, affection and understanding as Friendmance. Just because I don't think mages should be running around willynilly doesn't mean the only thing Anders and Hawke have in common is sex. 

[Dunizel]

Being against Blood Mages and Abominations will gain only Anders approval. The only thing you could do, as far as I know, is approve the Circle and send mages to them. You don't have to be completely pro-Templar, but you have to approve the Circle and it is usually enough to get his rivalry fast enough.

[SurelyForth]

Inzhuna wrote...

There's someone who claims they did, and they didn't romance Anders. Could it be getting bugged because of romance flags?

*would hope that isn't a bug* *knows it is*

Honestly, what is the appeal in romancing someone that is so broken and malleable that he's willing to abandon his deeply held convictions to satiate a madwoman's paranoia? Or am I fairly alone in thinking that it's an incredibly ****ed up, and not in a good way, direction to take him in?

[greatbriton]

Dunizel wrote...

Being against Blood Mages and Abominations will gain only Anders approval. The only thing you could do, as far as I know, is approve the Circle and send mages to them. You don't have to be completely pro-Templar, but you have to approve the Circle and it is usually enough to get his rivalry fast enough.

well, I can think of a couple instances where mages are running from templars and someone in their ranks uses blood magic.  So for that I would choose not to help them... or even kill them.  Anders seems to only give friend points if you still help the mages.  Like the quest where Thrask asks you go into a cave and talk to the mages in there and there's that crazy mage using blood magic.  and the other mages are swear they didn't use blood magic.  

[LT123]

What's the requirement for the star option to persuade him not to kill that girl? 100% friendship or rivalry? So far I've gotten it both times with 100% friendship, but I wondered if you have to have it maxed out one way or the other.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Ok, so after finally completing DA2. Is it wrong that Anders lashing out at the chantry, displaying such huge power that had been contained for so long, and seeing him follow up on something he so fervently believes in just makes me want him more!

I am against the Circle, against the Templars, and against the chantry. So I think Anders has the right idea!