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[Purposeof-Flight]

Ryzaki wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote..


I think he avoids talking about Justice.
I did sort of feel bad for him when he said that he has large blank spaces in his memory nowadays. I wanted to give him a big hug, he looked so worried.

Yes he does. 

And good lord I felt so bad too. My heart felt like it was being ripped out and he turns and walks away. D:

and then clicking on him gave me a cold (and Justice sounding) "It's clear where you stand Champion." in a hissy voice. I wanted to shake him and scream at him to give me my Anders back.    



Sums upmy feelings pretty well. 

Talk about irritating...and feeling pretty damn helpless.
I wanted to be like, "Yeah...I stand next to Anders....not some pissed off twisted spirit."

[DeaHamlet]

Isabela so wants to see the action, you know she sneaks in to check it out and tells Varric all the dirty details

[Purposeof-Flight]

DeaHamlet wrote...

I'm pretty sure both Fenris and Seb would refuse to join you if it meant anders nudity

That's why you don't tell them.

[YamiSnuffles]

DeaHamlet wrote...

I don't see how either hawke or anders got anything done. I would have never left the estate or the bedroom (maybe for food)

I'll assume this is one of those situations where Justice would ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL. Cuz, otherwise, I agree. Maybe this is why BW made it impossible to pull him off to bed whenever we wanted. That would probably be all I'd end up doing then. 

I mean... what? No, of course I would go play hero or whatever. :innocent:

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...
Oh I totally agree that he wouldn't have done it if Justice hadn't stepped in on the Rival path. But that's kind of my point too. The rival path leads him further down the road to becoming a true abomination, because if he doesn't want to do what Justice wants, Justice will just take over.

Indeed maybe it does. Maybe he'll be able to fight it back (which it seems in the Templar ending he is able to do for a while) if he has enough drive. 

Maybe he will become a true abomination. Maybe he'll control Vengeance. I want to at least give him the chance to be dominate instead of just a mix. 

I have the feeling my Hawke is going to end up killing him if he loses the fight. But at least he would've fought. 

[Dunizel]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

So what I don't get is, if you think Justice is the one influencing Anders to actively fight the Chantry... how do you explain why they joined up in the first place?
Anders, without Justice, wanted to become more aggressive in the fight for mages' rights. Anders, without Justice, wanted to do something beyond just saving his own skin. He isn't a drooling idiot, he would have realized this course of action would end in bloodshed- innocent and guilty alike.
And he made the decision to take Justice into himself to better accomplish this goal.

So... how is this all Justice's influence?  *snip a bit*
.

Im not arguing Ander's didn't have the intention to fight the Templars or the Chantry and The Circle. Sure, he was more "selfish" and easygoing maybe, but if we considere what happened after with the Wardens and his years as a fugitive (and his punishments), it was all too normal that he would want to fight them in the end. Even with the help of Justice, But, he didn't imagine that it would turn into Vengeance, nor did he imagine that he could lose control of it. I think he was really simply thinking to help a friend, and in doing so maybe increase his powers and use them for a righteous purpouse. 
But I still have my doubt that without the strong push of Vengeance inside him he could think to blow up the Chantry. Start the underground rebel group of mages? Sure. Help fellow mages escape? Sure, he did it for years.Run a clinic? Of course. Blow the Chantry, I don't know. 
And he can't even be sure anymore, since he can't distinguish anymore his thoughts from Vengeance ones. 
What really scares me is that he doesn't even remember when Vengeance takes control, as he said to Hawke in the rivalry path. This is a clear sign that he cannot be completely blamed for his actions, even if he wanted to stop, he couldn't. At that point Vengeance couldn't be controlled anymore. Even Merrill, without any sign of it, was controlled by the demon to rebuild the mirror. I think he was just losing it, maybe that's why the easier way out was to die, he wanted it, i'm pretty sure of it.
 It really, really scared me when he said he has blanks in his memory, and the more he goes on the less there is of him...(and Im pretty sad we can't see this part of him in the friendly path)

[Akrim_Drak]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Isabela so wants to see the action, you know she sneaks in to check it out and tells Varric all the dirty details

Sooo dirty!  I'm totally gonna watch for her next time I romance him and see her head poking out somewhere.

OMG horrible horrible gutter thoughts.

Edit: Now I'm gonna have to write a smutty "peeping Isabela" fic...

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 26 mars 2011 - 12:58 .

[Miri1984]

Hang on, is there a way to get him to fight against the mages at the end??? That is just ... what is ... I don't even....

WRONG.

[Ryzaki]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Talk about irritating...and feeling pretty damn helpless.
I wanted to be like, "Yeah...I stand next to Anders....not some pissed off twisted spirit."

Worst part is I liked the old Justice. New one is a jerkwad. They can't be seperated but I do wonder if there's a way for Anders to dominate over Justice completely but still use his powers? 

I hope it's possible. Might need to go to Tevinter to find out though. 

I like Anders. He's hypocritical, tormented everything I like in a character. 

And yes he can side against the mages. 

Alas it's bugged. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[Axel Hawke]

i have a question
why the hell does anders have a different voice?
you cant tell me because they couldnt get the voice actor back because im pretty damn sure that i heard his voice in one of the templars
so wtf is up with bioware

[DeaHamlet]

Poor justice. First he gets twisted beyond recognition and now he gets blamed for everything.
My warden would not approve! She'd give both Anders and Justice a few slaps to the bum for being idiots. Probably after killing Elthina and Meredith. In that order.
The warden is badass!

[mellifera]

Axel Hawke wrote...

i have a question
why the hell does anders have a different voice?
you cant tell me because they couldnt get the voice actor back because im pretty damn sure that i heard his voice in one of the templars
so wtf is up with bioware

Because they felt like it.

Then again, I'm one of the seeming few who likes his new voice better

[Miri1984]

Axel Hawke wrote...

i have a question
why the hell does anders have a different voice?
you cant tell me because they couldnt get the voice actor back because im pretty damn sure that i heard his voice in one of the templars
so wtf is up with bioware

Greg Ellis voiced Cullen. Because Cullen was in DA:O and not everyone even played Awakenings they thought it would be better for consistency to change Anders rather than him. Especially since Cullen's part in DA:2 was much bigger than it was in Origins.

Modifié par Miri1984, 26 mars 2011 - 01:00 .

[YamiSnuffles]

yukidama wrote...

Then again, I'm one of the seeming few who likes his new voice better

*raises hand* I'm with you there. I actually like his new voice significantly more. Not to say his old voice is bad, but considering the kind of role he plays in the new game, the new voice just seems to fit better.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 26 mars 2011 - 01:02 .

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

Axel Hawke wrote...

i have a question
why the hell does anders have a different voice?
you cant tell me because they couldnt get the voice actor back because im pretty damn sure that i heard his voice in one of the templars
so wtf is up with bioware

Because they felt like it.

Then again, I'm one of the seeming few who likes his new voice better

Aw. There's only a few of us? I think his new voice is sexy. 

[Akrim_Drak]

yukidama wrote...

Because they felt like it.

Then again, I'm one of the seeming few who likes his new voice better

I love new Anders, old voice was mostly forgettable to me(please don't kill me ladies!) He fits Cullen very well though.

[leggywillow]

yukidama wrote...

Axel Hawke wrote...

i have a question
why the hell does anders have a different voice?
you cant tell me because they couldnt get the voice actor back because im pretty damn sure that i heard his voice in one of the templars
so wtf is up with bioware

Because they felt like it.

Then again, I'm one of the seeming few who likes his new voice better

No, I'm with you.  I kinda prefer Howden as well.  Of course, I love them both so it hardly matters. XD

[Miri1984]

@Ryzaki Thank goodness for bugs. That just isn't right. On ANY level.

[Sialater]

Axel Hawke wrote...

i have a question
why the hell does anders have a different voice?
you cant tell me because they couldnt get the voice actor back because im pretty damn sure that i heard his voice in one of the templars
so wtf is up with bioware

Because his old voice actor is voicing Cullen, whom he voiced first.  Which would just get weird.

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki Thank goodness for bugs. That just isn't right. On ANY level.

You do realize you don't have to take the ending right?

I never understood the whole "I don't like it and understand it so no one should do it." attitude. 

[Miri1984]

No I like his new voice! A lot! And Cullen kind of needed to keep Greg Ellis, because he does the super-adorable shy guy PERFECTLY.

And of course, Cullen took a level in SEXY between DA:O and DA2.

[LupusYondergirl]

@Dunizel : You don't see that part of him on the friend path since it doesn't happen. The blackouts are tied to Hawke forcing Anders to question his own beliefs, setting him against Justice.

That's why I hate the rival path. You're not causing him to question his methods, you're causing him to question his core beliefs- beliefs that predated being merged with Justice. You don't get a lot of "yes, but look how many mages turned to blood magic. surely some oversight is needed." You get "mages are monsers" and the like.
I just can't RP a character that would look in the eyes of someone they supposedly love and tell him that he's less than human and not deserving of freedom. I mean, if you don't think mages can be trusted, you don't believe mages should be free... why would you share your bed and your LIFE with a mage? I can't wrap my head around that sort of character.
And that a lot of the lines just sound.. bad. On both sides. Like, if a friend told me their significant other said some of them I'd be really, really concerned and encourage them to leave or, at the very least, get some hardcore couple's counseling.

I loved the idea of friend or rival, but the implementation seems to fall flat. It's not very different from the approval/disapproval score of DA2, the biggest change seems to be that you can still bang someone when they hate your guts.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 26 mars 2011 - 01:06 .

[Miri1984]

Ryzaki wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki Thank goodness for bugs. That just isn't right. On ANY level.

You do realize you don't have to take the ending right?

I never understood the whole "I don't like it and understand it so no one should do it." attitude. 

Ok, I said that very strongly, but I do think, after everything he goes through on the rival path OR the friend path, it's still wildly OOC. And I will never take that option. So.

[Sylph_14]

Ryzaki wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Axel Hawke wrote...

i have a question
why the hell does anders have a different voice?
you cant tell me because they couldnt get the voice actor back because im pretty damn sure that i heard his voice in one of the templars
so wtf is up with bioware

Because they felt like it.

Then again, I'm one of the seeming few who likes his new voice better

Aw. There's only a few of us? I think his new voice is sexy. 

I find his new voice oddly soothing :]

[DeaHamlet]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

I don't see how either hawke or anders got anything done. I would have never left the estate or the bedroom (maybe for food)

I'll assume this is one of those situations where Justice would ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL. Cuz, otherwise, I agree. Maybe this is why BW made it impossible to pull him off to bed whenever we wanted. That would probably be all I'd end up doing then. 

I mean... what? No, of course I would go play hero or whatever. :innocent:

HAHA Totally!!!