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#7026
mellifera

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Ryzaki wrote...

Oh yukidama he's adorable! <3

I miss my fat cat being so little. She's all big and climbs in my bed and sleeps on my arm now.


This is Caligula now-
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I love big cats, though it's not so much fun when they lie on top of you and try to suffocate you. I guess I like the abuse because I just wake up all "Awwww he's purring on me I can't breathe but so warm and fuzzy awwwww" ^_^

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Eydris Ivo

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My kitteh:

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Ryzaki

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yukidama wrote...


This is Caligula now- *pic snipped*

I love big cats, though it's not so much fun when they lie on top of you and try to suffocate you. I guess I like the abuse because I just wake up all "Awwww he's purring on me I can't breathe but so warm and fuzzy awwwww" ^_^


That's defintely as big as my Sky. :lol: 

No..it isn't fun. 

LOL warm and fuzzy indeed. <3

My cat used to think it was a good idea to wake me up by licking my nose. I will never understand that. 

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Cats always enjoy sleeping in the oddest places.
Not mine, these are my brothers 4 kitties. This pics a few years old, the two little ones are all grown up now.

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Can ya spot all 4? XD

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Miri1984 wrote...

It seems a lot of people think it's better for Anders to be on the rival path because he splits from Justice more, and it makes the bombing more Justice's fault than Anders. I disagree. He joined with Justice because he wanted to free mages. The mage fight was always ANDERS' fight, not the fade spirits'. Justice sees the Justice of it (hur hur) and so agrees to join with him. Their goals are the same. The method he goes about doing it is called into question at the end on the rival path, but that's all. The fight is the same.

People can not like what he did, I understand that. But saying the rival path is better for him because it makes him lose control of his body so Justice can plant the bomb... doesn't sit right for me. I don't think it is better for him. I think it's better for HAWKE, because then they can feel like they've tried to stop something they disagree with (if they disagree with it). But not for Anders. He's going to have to live with it for the rest of his life regardless (even if that life is very short).

He doesn't think it was a GOOD thing to have done, but on the friend path he thinks it was necessary.


I liked your (articulate and well-argued! :D) point, Miri, and it gave me some food for thought. Like you, my post is not meant to be inflammatory - I just like playing devil's advocate. ;)

I just finished an Awakening playthrough with Anders and Justice in my party at all times, and the party banter they both go through leads me to believe that the mages' plight is of extreme concern to Justice for a couple reasons.

First, he sees Anders being profoundly affected by the second-class citizenship of mages and is surprised and confused that Anders is unwilling to take the next step and work for the freedom of all mages. He encourages Anders to look at the bigger scope of his predicament, even telling him that he's obligated to fight for justice for all mages: "You have seen oppression and are now free. You must act to free those who remain oppressed."

Second, I think Justice takes on the mage issue as a replacement for killing darkspawn. He may even realize that things with the Mother and Architect will eventually come to a head, and that the need for justice against the darkspawn (and avenging Kristoff) will be over. But as a spirit of Justice, he needs a new cause. The plight of mages gives him something greater to work for.

This unfortunately makes both friendship and rivalry difficult. I wouldn't go so far as to say a rivalmanced Justice acts on his own initiative in Act III, as I don't think Anders can truly ever be separate from Justice again. But I do think that merging with Justice brings Anders' own actions into a larger scale. Anders on his own isn't about fighting for freedom - he's about enjoying his own independence, and making sure he personally isn't caught by the templars again. It's Justice's influence that helps him expand his philosophy of "freedom for self" into "freedom for all mages."

Would a non-possessed Anders ever take such a bold, earth-shattering step like blowing up the chantry? I don't think so. I think he needs the influence of a spirit, a creature with a different perspective, in order to make that leap.

Again, just my opinion. I love this thread! :wizard:

EDIT: I also found it fascinating that when you meet Wynne outside the Amaranthine chantry when she's on her way to the College of Magi, Anders actually agrees with Wynne that the Libertarians are going about seceding from the Chantry in the wrong way. So while yes, Awakening Anders wants mages to be free, he's not ready for the bold steps it will take to get them there.

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yukidama wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh yukidama he's adorable! <3

I miss my fat cat being so little. She's all big and climbs in my bed and sleeps on my arm now.


This is Caligula now-
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I love big cats, though it's not so much fun when they lie on top of you and try to suffocate you. I guess I like the abuse because I just wake up all "Awwww he's purring on me I can't breathe but so warm and fuzzy awwwww" ^_^


I think you have Zel's brother...but where did that white come from? :) (Excuse the puffy face...he had a horrid eye infection when he was found)


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You all made me do this!

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Cute. How my Siamese got her name is because I love Chanel perfume and her points are the color cocoa. She is an apple head siamese kitty. And my orange looks like Puss from Shriek

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Ryzaki wrote...

@Trophonius: I think that's where it's bugged. Maybe the convo letting you side with the templars is the one where he blames Justice for the Chantry? 

I dunno.

God I hope it's fixed soon. I did start a new Templar Hawke playthrough for it. Hopefully by the time I reach that decision the bug'll be fixed.


I actually did that a while ago. He still tells me it was him responsible. Sided with the templars and spared Anders, but of course, he remains unhinged and fervent about his desire to set the mages free. That's why he flat out refused to join me and said that siding with the templars is a fate far worse than he can accept. Either way, that's more in character for him than allowing you to get him to doubt himself and joining the templars with you. It's like spitting at the severities and sacrifices he went through to achieve total freedom for his people.

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I love your Hawke ^_^


Thanks ;)

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Trophonius wrote...

I actually did that a while ago. He still tells me it was him responsible. Sided with the templars and spared Anders, but of course, he remains unhinged and fervent about his desire to set the mages free. That's why he flat out refused to join me and said that siding with the templars is a fate far worse than he can accept. Either way, that's more in character for him than allowing you to get him to doubt himself and joining the templars with you. It's like spitting at the severities and sacrifices he went through to achieve total freedom for his people.


That's why I think the convo is bugged.

Your supposed to have the option to get him on the Templars side.

As for severities and sacrifices well that has already been debated over by people smarter than myself. 

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I knew it was inevitable that this thread would become the posting-kitty-pictures-thread!

.......................Here's mine XD
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@Purposeof-Flight: Awww, poor baby. Caligula's mom was a black cat, but she had the exact same white patch on her belly. Caligula had two brothers, both grey too, but only one had the patch on his belly.

Also, solutions to Anders' problems: Get him a computer, internet and youtube. Cute kitten videos for eternity.

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I cannot imagine how Justice dealt with the dreams you get as a warden... oh my. Those are not fun!

#7039
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Doing a rival romance with him now which is way easier because in the end it's what is best for him. Being friendly is like enabling a drug addict. Tough love is the answer.

"Sorry I unloaded all my baggage on you back then."
"Just don't let it happen again. Our relationship is strictly professional"
"Understood."

Ice cold Hawke.

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Omg Melfina that gif.

ADORABLE!

And I'm not touching the rivalrymance thing with a twenty foot pole. Not anymore. 

Though Ms. Hepler if you're reading this. Is there any way this bug could be fixed in the next patch? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 mars 2011 - 02:06 .


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@yukidama Something tells me there could never be enough cats on the internet for Anders. 8|

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Ryzaki wrote...

Omg Melfina that gif.

ADORABLE!


All aboard the cat train...

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nenosronhir wrote...

@yukidama Something tells me there could never be enough cats on the internet for Anders. 8|


Good thing there's an infinite cat supply on the internet, then.

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yukidama wrote...

nenosronhir wrote...

@yukidama Something tells me there could never be enough cats on the internet for Anders. 8|


Good thing there's an infinite cat supply on the internet, then.


Oh the infinite internet...

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yukidama wrote...

nenosronhir wrote...

@yukidama Something tells me there could never be enough cats on the internet for Anders. 8|


Good thing there's an infinite cat supply on the internet, then.


Anders would definitely be "That Guy".  The one who NEVER gets tired of LOLcats and cute kitten pictures and constantly forwards them to everyone he knows.

#7046
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Two of mine.

They're very... close.

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MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Omg Melfina that gif.

ADORABLE!


All aboard the cat train...

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I'm more amused by the look on the dog than the cat.

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My cat as she watches me cry about Anders.

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Oh my god, Melfina xDDDDDD