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[Purposeof-Flight]

I swear on my life if Isabela and Anders don't stop hating everything I do, I'm gonna throw my controller in the trashcan out of defeat.

[Sarah1281]

I don't like that you can get Anders to side with the templars at the end. Even if you could manage to bring him around to accept that immediate and unconditional mage freedom will cause just as many problems as it solves, he's still going to be killing people who are only slated to die because of his actions and at least a handful of them are bound to be innocent. Still, I liked the dialogue and wish that it could be slightly altered (no 'it sickens me to turn against my own people', for instance) for the rival-path mage ending. I especially liked the 'you always tried to save me' part.

[Ryzaki]

BlueElf2 wrote...

Ideally, shouldn't you be able to get this same reaction from siding with mages if you're on a rivarly path? I don't see why deciding to save the mages from Anders's stupidity should automatically undo all the work you did rivaling him. Ah well...my ladyHawkes do love running off and becoming fugitives with Anders. And when I get tired of the angst, my non-angst ending ladyHawkes still have Fenris.

You really should. 

It's epecially jarring after the whole "I have more and more" blackouts with the sad face and  then he turns around and "Justice and I are one." It's so...gah. 

Then there's the whole "did the spirit make you do this?" and he goes no. But apparently said spirit stops him from undoing it? BAH. 

Stupid bugs. This is even more annoying than my companions randomly deciding tostand around twiddling their thumbs while an Ogre hurls rocks at me. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 mars 2011 - 05:14 .

[Sjofn]

Ryzaki wrote...
Still this is the lady who gave us Broodmother.

That friggin' thing still bugs the hell out of me. I imagine it kept all my lady Wardens up at night. Especially my Dalish lady, especially after running into poor Tamlen.

<shudder>

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

yukidama wrote...

Okay, I'm just gonna say it. The reason I am having difficulty taking anyone who wants the templar-siding rival Anders ending seriously is because the damned kiss is always mentioned. That kiss, that to me, after all his dialogue in that scene about how he can't live past this and how he wishes that Justice rather than Vengeance emerges from his corpse, seems very much like a "goodbye" whether physically or mentally or whatever.... just, SO not worth it.

Plus, it's like half a second long anyway.

I agree, the whole thing had this kind of last words vibe. But apparently you still run off with him? Hrng.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 27 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[BlueElf2]

Lady Jess wrote...

BlueElf2 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Okay, I'm just gonna say it. The reason I am having difficulty taking anyone who wants the templar-siding rival Anders ending seriously is because the damned kiss is always mentioned. That kiss, that to me, after all his dialogue in that scene about how he can't live past this and how he wishes that Justice rather than Vengeance emerges from his corpse, seems very much like a "goodbye" whether physically or mentally or whatever.... just, SO not worth it.

Plus, it's like half a second long anyway.

Pssh, I couldn't care less about the templar stuff, and I really have no desire to side with the templars other than for that to get a different ending. Then again, I've sided with the mages through two playthroughs, and I am getting a bit tired of their douchery as well. lol! I'd be just as happy if he got the angsty guilt ridden stuff from siding with the mages on a rivalry playthrough; I just want it to be different from the friendship path stuff, and do want the kiss! If that make my argument invaled, then meh, but I want my romance to have proper closure! Gah! I got a kiss with Fenris at the end, and I felt royally gipped after I sided with Anders through the whole game in my friendship romance and got nothing for agreeing to run away with him. Is that so much to ask for!? *curls up in corner and cries*

You need a kiss for proper closure? I can't even imagine Anders feeling like kissing ANYONE after what he just did,  he was pretty emotionally exhausted, and drowning in guilt and self loathing, even on the friendship path. It's like Justice did what he needed to do and went off to relax in a nice warm bubble bath while Anders was left dealing with the emotional fallout. Sure you don't get a big steamy kiss but you DO get a verbal "I Love You" Fenris doesn't do that (no idea on those other two) but they do both give closure in their own ways.

Well, there was closure, but I did the Fenris romance first, and I.....I just wanted a kiss okay? My ladyHawke felt rather let down after she basically gave up any chance at a normal life to be with him. That's just me, though, and I'm weird like that. Don't get me wrong. I did like the ending for Anders's romance path; it left so many possibilities for fanfiction, etc.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

And good news, I can post my fanfic. Bad news. I still have no title.

Call it "The Untitled".

I ended up calling it "For the Birds" I'm sure I'll get it to make sense at some point.

[leggywillow]

That's basically how I feel.

I don't think Anders should be able to side with the templars.  That's like Alistair saying "LOL K let's bring Loghain with us!  It'll be great!" except a million times more effed up.  I *DO* think we should get some different ending dialogue for a rivalry romance, though.

Also, has it been confirmed that Anders actually can side with the templars WITHOUT using that debug trick or whatever?  Has anyone been able to get it work in just the plain vanilla game?  When I tried it out of curiosity, I couldn't get it to work.

[Kawamura]

Not gonna lie, if Anders tried kissing my Hawke at that point in time, even if they're fighting for the mages, Hawke would deck him. Hell, he probably wouldn't even want to look at him for the moment, even if they're possibly going to die very soon.

[Ryzaki]

No but Hepler said it was in the game.

Guess its a bug keeping it from triggering because I am getting the dialogue to argue with him about his methods and how demonic Justice and Anders is relenting.  

It just doesn't change his dialogue at all during blowing up the Chantry. Which i think is the bug. I think those talks are supposed to lead to a different dialogue branch during the Chantry incident. It just refuses to trigger.  The default tree is where he always goes "hell no I'm not sidin with the templars." but it also says he and Justice are one. Something he doesn't believe fully on the rivalry path. And it says he knowingly planted the bomb and willingly went through with it. Something defintely not true on the rivalry path. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

leggywillow wrote...

That's basically how I feel.

I don't think Anders should be able to side with the templars.  That's like Alistair saying "LOL K let's bring Loghain with us!  It'll be great!" except a million times more effed up.  I *DO* think we should get some different ending dialogue for a rivalry romance, though.

Also, has it been confirmed that Anders actually can side with the templars WITHOUT using that debug trick or whatever?  Has anyone been able to get it work in just the plain vanilla game?  When I tried it out of curiosity, I couldn't get it to work.

I can't either.
I've tried like five times with every friggin' dialogue option EVAR. And all I get is, "I'd rather die".

[Purposeof-Flight]

Kawamura wrote...

Not gonna lie, if Anders tried kissing my Hawke at that point in time, even if they're fighting for the mages, Hawke would deck him. Hell, he probably wouldn't even want to look at him for the moment, even if they're possibly going to die very soon.

Anders: (goes in for a kiss)
Hawke: DUDE! WTF! You really think I want you all over me right now? Really? You just BLEW UP A FREAKING CHANTRY. Just to let you know, I'm siding with the mages because THEIR DEATH WOULD BE UNFAIR. Not because I agree with what you've just done. BAD! BAD ANDERS! -slap-

That's how my super-neurotic Hawke would handle it.

[Sarah1281]

My ladyHawke felt rather let down after she basically gave up any chance at a normal life to be with him.

What kind of normal life are we talking here? The life of a normal vigilante noble who can't mind her own business and gets caught up in anything remotely interesting that goes on? That sounds kind of like a contradiction of terms.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

My ladyHawke felt rather let down after she basically gave up any chance at a normal life to be with him.

What kind of normal life are we talking here? The life of a normal vigilante noble who can't mind her own business and gets caught up in anything remotely interesting that goes on? That sounds kind of like a contradiction of terms.

Exactly the point I made yesterday.
Hawke is exactly like the Warden. She was automatically doomed to never have a normal life, so what exactly is she throwing away by running away with a wanted apostate? Hm?

Modifié par Purposeof-Flight, 27 mars 2011 - 05:24 .

[Miri1984]

I don't want to spark another debate, but I'm wondering if it doesn't trigger because it's been overruled somehow? Like the blood mage discussion with Wynne - in game, but not part of the game any more, slashed post-release? I'm wondering if they'll bother to fix it if it is a bug. Maybe someone can PM Hepler or Gaider and ask? Or if they're reading they could answer? Is it supposed to be there or has it been taken out because it's too OOC?

[SurelyForth]

Ryzaki wrote...

I am messed up aren't I?  

Still this is the lady who gave us Broodmother. I don't expect her to let me down. <3  

I just wish we had a toolset. This could've been fixed soonish in that case.   

As I see it Anders was never supposed to have a happy ending. Might as well make it as bleak as I can. 

I originally wanted a lighter ending but now...now I want my heart twisting ending. 

And the best part? Justice can't be blamed. 

When has complete degradation of a character ever been sexy or desirable? I cannot even make this work in my brain without latching on to crackpot stuff like the Ketojan parallels, let alone think that anyone would find it satisfying in the least that their Hawke ends up with a man who has, basically, allowed him/her to replace the demon that has been plaguing him for years.

And who's to say that Justice can't be blamed in the end? Justice actually has more control over a rivaled Anders because he is literally taking control on a regular basis and making Anders do things that he doesn't want to do. There is no real indication that Anders will be able to stop that from happening again. And, with the final twisting of his ideals that comes with making him annul the Circle, there will be so little of the Anders who has been able to fight him left...

There's unhappy endings (almost any where Anders is killed, or dies protecting the mages) and bittersweet endings (the friendmance ending where they run away together). This ending is ****ed up in a bad way because it completely destroys a character to their core, rendering them almost unrecognizeable. If you want to make it happen in your game, awesome. But please be prepared for people who actually like Anders as a character to find the whole thing absolutely repugnant. Because it is. 

[Lady Jess]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Not gonna lie, if Anders tried kissing my Hawke at that point in time, even if they're fighting for the mages, Hawke would deck him. Hell, he probably wouldn't even want to look at him for the moment, even if they're possibly going to die very soon.

Anders: (goes in for a kiss)
Hawke: DUDE! WTF! You really think I want you all over me right now? Really? You just BLEW UP A FREAKING CHANTRY. Just to let you know, I'm siding with the mages because THEIR DEATH WOULD BE UNFAIR. Not because I agree with what you've just done. BAD! BAD ANDERS! -slap-

That's how my super-neurotic Hawke would handle it.

then you get this look,,,

http://t0.gstatic.co...kYe9WGWCfEq94HQ

GODAMMIT ANDERS!

[Ryzaki]

@Surely Forth: And I have no problem with that. I personally don't find it repugnant and trying to say it definitely is is well...*shrugs* to each their own. I'm not arguing about it because it is just personal preference. And debating that is good for nothing other than a timesink. 

As for Anders completely losing himself. Odd how he seems completely in control of himself during the speech then.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 mars 2011 - 05:31 .

[leggywillow]

Sarah1281 wrote...

My ladyHawke felt rather let down after she basically gave up any chance at a normal life to be with him.

What kind of normal life are we talking here? The life of a normal vigilante noble who can't mind her own business and gets caught up in anything remotely interesting that goes on? That sounds kind of like a contradiction of terms.

XD  So true

Varric: So you're running off with Blondie
Hawke: Yeah, I guess so.  I just... it'll be hard, y'know?  Life will never be normal again.
Varric: Ah, you mean you'll never get to murder raider gangs by the dozens.
Hawke: Well no, we'll probably still do that
Varric: Stick your nose into a stranger's conversation about their missing cat or kidnapped sister...
Hawke: Of course I'll still do that!
Varric: ...and then leave a river of blood in your wake as you put your own life at risk to solve their problem?
Hawke: Duh.
Varric: Surround yourself by dangerous and mentally unstable people?
Hawke: Of course! Don't be silly!
Varric: ::sigh:: Somehow I don't think you'll find your new life too different, sweetie.

[mellifera]

Lady Jess wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Not gonna lie, if Anders tried kissing my Hawke at that point in time, even if they're fighting for the mages, Hawke would deck him. Hell, he probably wouldn't even want to look at him for the moment, even if they're possibly going to die very soon.

Anders: (goes in for a kiss)
Hawke: DUDE! WTF! You really think I want you all over me right now? Really? You just BLEW UP A FREAKING CHANTRY. Just to let you know, I'm siding with the mages because THEIR DEATH WOULD BE UNFAIR. Not because I agree with what you've just done. BAD! BAD ANDERS! -slap-

That's how my super-neurotic Hawke would handle it.

then you get this look,,,



GODAMMIT ANDERS!

Fixed that for you.

[BlueElf2]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

My ladyHawke felt rather let down after she basically gave up any chance at a normal life to be with him.

What kind of normal life are we talking here? The life of a normal vigilante noble who can't mind her own business and gets caught up in anything remotely interesting that goes on? That sounds kind of like a contradiction of terms.

Exactly the point I made yesterday.
Hawke is exactly like the Warden. She was automatically doomed to never have a normal life, so what exactly is she throwing away by running away with a wanted apostate? Hm?

The chance to setlle down in a forest somewhere and have little broody elf babies, what else?! lol! Basically, I meant she was opting for a life where she'd always be on the run as opposed to one where she might possibly be able to quit looking over her shoulder so much at some point. Then again, considering the kind of people Hawke attracts, it might be better to be on the run.

[Miri1984]

SurelyForth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I am messed up aren't I?  

Still this is the lady who gave us Broodmother. I don't expect her to let me down. <3  

I just wish we had a toolset. This could've been fixed soonish in that case.   

As I see it Anders was never supposed to have a happy ending. Might as well make it as bleak as I can. 

I originally wanted a lighter ending but now...now I want my heart twisting ending. 

And the best part? Justice can't be blamed. 

When has complete degradation of a character ever been sexy or desirable? I cannot even make this work in my brain without latching on to crackpot stuff like the Ketojan parallels, let alone think that anyone would find it satisfying in the least that their Hawke ends up with a man who has, basically, allowed him/her to replace the demon that has been plaguing him for years.

And who's to say that Justice can't be blamed in the end? Justice actually has more control over a rivaled Anders because he is literally taking control on a regular basis and making Anders do things that he doesn't want to do. There is no real indication that Anders will be able to stop that from happening again. And, with the final twisting of his ideals that comes with making him annul the Circle, there will be so little of the Anders who has been able to fight him left...

There's unhappy endings (almost any where Anders is killed, or dies protecting the mages) and bittersweet endings (the friendmance ending where they run away together). This ending is ****ed up in a bad way because it completely destroys a character to their core, rendering them almost unrecognizeable. If you want to make it happen in your game, awesome. But please be prepared for people who actually like Anders as a character to find the whole thing absolutely repugnant. Because it is. 

This.

[Galagraphia]

I'm trying to get Anders' rivalry now without being a jerk to him. It's difficult for me because I don't believe that it's love when you can't accept your lover as he is, and if you are trying to change him, then you love an image from your head, not the real person. But my Hawke is a templar and all mages she meets are blood mages who are trying to kill her, so she's just trying to convince Anders that not all mages are good people and there's a reason why templars exist. I'm afraid they will never fall in love, because Dinah is getting both rivalry and friendship points XD She's too wise to fall in love, I guess.

Modifié par Galagraphia, 27 mars 2011 - 05:34 .

[Ryzaki]

Hawke and Anders will never have a peaceful life. On either path.

Either because they're fighting a war or in hiding (with Anders railing against Vengeance) happy ever after just isn't in the cards.

I got rivalry points with Anders without being overly nasty to him. Hawke was abit crass when it came to rogue mages (and sent all of them to the circle with the exception of bloodmages who were killed) but he never insulted Anders or anything. (He did constantly grind Anders gear with how he felt Justice was a bad influence and he needed to seek out more peaceful solutions.).  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 mars 2011 - 05:34 .

[DeaHamlet]

leggywillow wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

My ladyHawke felt rather let down after she basically gave up any chance at a normal life to be with him.

What kind of normal life are we talking here? The life of a normal vigilante noble who can't mind her own business and gets caught up in anything remotely interesting that goes on? That sounds kind of like a contradiction of terms.

XD  So true

Varric: So you're running off with Blondie
Hawke: Yeah, I guess so.  I just... it'll be hard, y'know?  Life will never be normal again.
Varric: Ah, you mean you'll never get to murder raider gangs by the dozens.
Hawke: Well no, we'll probably still do that
Varric: Stick your nose into a stranger's conversation about their missing cat or kidnapped sister...
Hawke: Of course I'll still do that!
Varric: ...and then leave a river of blood in your wake as you put your own life at risk to solve their problem?
Hawke: Duh.
Varric: Surround yourself by dangerous and mentally unstable people?
Hawke: Of course! Don't be silly!
Varric: ::sigh:: Somehow I don't think you'll find your new life too different, sweetie.

Hahahhahaha.  Crack me up.
All my Hawkettes were like "well, this isn't going to be much different other than lacking a great mansion in which I barely spent any time in, what with saving everyone from everyone else all the time!  I only got sexy times TWICE with my boyfriend in 3 years. it can only improve!"