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[TripLight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So somehow I didn't manage to get the achievement for completing a romance with a party member. Is there something I missed because he died after he blew up the Chantry?

Ah the Gallows, right before you take on Orsino, is when a Romance is completed, if he's not alive...no dice Sarah, sorry.

[Sarah1281]

Damn. I'm planning on romancing Fenris this time so I may not get any romance completion there either since I can't figure out how to deal with him consistently.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Biometry wrote...

Thank you very much for answering! Lot'sa Anders for both of you :3

Yay!  More Anders!

Why is it that I always end up romancing the companions with the most heartbreak potential?  Alistair, Anders...I supposed I dodged a bullet in Mass Effect with Garrus, though.  But I did manage to wrangle the happy-ish endings from both Alistair and Anders on my first playthroughs, so I guess I shouldn't complain.

[SurelyForth]

My Hawke didn't spare him out of some dream of happily ever after. If anything, every second of downtime between fighting is spent coming to terms with all the degrees of horrible that their lives are going to be.

My Hawke spared him because she had spent the past six years with him by her side working towards a better solution. He appreciated her efforts to reach out to templars, he agreed that there were some who weren't horrible. He was willing to entertain the idea of working with the Chantry, and he was hoping up until he put the bomb in the Chantry that Elthina could finally be persuaded to do something.

But she didn't do anything. By the time Hawke helped Anders, and talked to Elthina about the situation, she realized that this woman was going to do nothing to help the mages. She was going to nothing to help the templars suffering under Meredith. And she was going to let it keep going, in the name of balance that wasn't balance at all because one person was clearly wielding all the power, and wait for the Maker to decide.

As far as Wil was concerned, Anders' act was that sign Elthina was waiting for, what Flemeth had foretold, and something that was horribly, horribly inevitable. She knew the moment she saw the explosion what side she'd be on, because she'd spent her entire life there without even realizing it, and there was no way that she was going to let Anders go because he was her responsibility, nor was she going to kill him because she knew she'd need him in the battles to come.

And she loved him. And she knew exactly why he'd done what he'd done because she was coming to her wit's end with the issue and she was just a sword for hire turned quasi-politician. She had no spirit driving her, or any memory of fear or abuse to draw on. She just had her lifelong fear of losing her family to the templars, her experiences in Kirkwall, the dead-end conversations with Elthina, and Meredith's own madness staring her in the face. She might have been pissed (she was sooooo pissed), she might never be able to fully forgive Anders, but she understood.

She also knows that he might still be dangerous. The hope is that it was the stalemate that drove him to act, and once things are set in motion he'll go back to a more tactical approach. But if he doesn't, if he wants to escalate...she will have to kill him.

[Miri1984]

@SurelyForth EXACTLY. You put it better than I would ever be able to. And I RP'd that Brighid KNEW from the get go what he was planning (I mean, come ON a POTION to rid you of Justice? You used to be smarter than that Anders) but was hoping for some opportunity to mean it didn't have to come to that. The opportunity didn't come. Mages were systematically being murdered, raped and lobotomised and the Chantry was all but condoning it. I hate HATE that the only way to force a change was what Anders did, but I think he does too. And yes, she knows he's dangerous, and YES she's going to find help for him (POST DA2 FIC IN THE WORKS!!!).

I do LOVE the fact that Varric says "haven't the Templars rebelled too now?" I can't wait for DA3 - the mages and Templars working together was a ray of hope in a dark, dark universe.

[Sarah1281]

So did anyone else at all kill him? I didn't want to do it and, in fact, I spent most of the time after hearing what he was going to do thinking I'd probably let him live but then it happened and...it may not have been an easy choice but I don't think I could have done anything else. I swear, I'm like the worst fangirl ever...

[Veritrix]

I was going to kill him, but in the end I realized he really was all she had left of her family until Bethany returned. She wasn't going to let herself lose someone else. And she owed him one for saving her sister's life.

[SurelyForth]

Miri1984 wrote...
 POST DA2 FIC IN THE WORKS!!!

I do LOVE the fact that Varric says "haven't the Templars rebelled too now?" I can't wait for DA3 - the mages and Templars working together was a ray of hope in a dark, dark universe.

Yaaaaay! I don't know if I can bear to speculate on what happens next, because DA2 has already impacted my post-DAO story in a horrible way, but yaaaaaay for Miri fic!

And Cullen fight with you and the templars letting you go at the end is definitely more hopeful than it has any right to be.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Miri1984 wrote...

@SurelyForth EXACTLY. You put it better than I would ever be able to. And I RP'd that Brighid KNEW from the get go what he was planning (I mean, come ON a POTION to rid you of Justice? You used to be smarter than that Anders) but was hoping for some opportunity to mean it didn't have to come to that. The opportunity didn't come. Mages were systematically being murdered, raped and lobotomised and the Chantry was all but condoning it. I hate HATE that the only way to force a change was what Anders did, but I think he does too. And yes, she knows he's dangerous, and YES she's going to find help for him (POST DA2 FIC IN THE WORKS!!!).

I do LOVE the fact that Varric says "haven't the Templars rebelled too now?" I can't wait for DA3 - the mages and Templars working together was a ray of hope in a dark, dark universe.

I third this sentiment.  If Anders hadn't blown up the Chantry, the situation still would've boiled over, with or without him serving as a catalyst for war.  Someone else would've done something drastic.

Guess who that someone else probably would've been?  Knight-Commander Meredith.  She was clearly unhinged, and it was only a matter of time before she did something insane in her paranoia and her hate.  Elthina waffled.  Orsino was useless.  And Anders didn't want the one person who COULD act (namely the Champion, whether out of love or friendship) to stain his/her hands.  So he took matters into his own hands.

[leggywillow]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So did anyone else at all kill him? I didn't want to do it and, in fact, I spent most of the time after hearing what he was going to do thinking I'd probably let him live but then it happened and...it may not have been an easy choice but I don't think I could have done anything else. I swear, I'm like the worst fangirl ever...

A lot of people have, but probably not many of the fangirls. XD

Honestly, I think Charlotte Hawke (my Anders rival-mance I have planned) might think about it.  But in the end, I don't think she'll be able to carry it out.  She'll probably just tell him to go.  If there was a different death scene for a romanced Anders, I might do it with Charlotte.  Charlotte certainly wouldn't just stick a knife in his back and walk away.  She'll just have to settle for being angry and telling him to leave.

[Sarah1281]

A lot of people have, but probably not many of the fangirls. XD

Yeah, that was what I meant. The people who don't like him can probably cheerfully execute him, after all.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

leggywillow wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

So did anyone else at all kill him? I didn't want to do it and, in fact, I spent most of the time after hearing what he was going to do thinking I'd probably let him live but then it happened and...it may not have been an easy choice but I don't think I could have done anything else. I swear, I'm like the worst fangirl ever...

A lot of people have, but probably not many of the fangirls. XD

For a good five minutes I was seriously considering it, but then decided that he made his bed and now he has to lay in it. With an extraordinarily irate SO. He may get a warrior-punch to the face when they get out of Kirkwall, but he will live to see how awful the immediate consequences of his actions will be.

Also I really needed a healer.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 15 mars 2011 - 12:37 .

[leggywillow]

Pseudocognition wrote...

For a good five minutes I was seriously considering it, but then decided that he made his bed and now he has to lay in it. With an extraordinarily irate SO. He may get a warrior-punch to the face when they get out of Kirkwall, but he will live to see how awful the immediate consequences of his actions will be.

Also I really needed a healer.

Even if I didn't like Anders, this would be a big factor for me.  XD  Same reason I dragged Wynne around on every single mission in Origins, no matter how much the old bat irked me.

[Miri1984]

Yeah, got to say, they made it difficult to kill him by giving him the best healer specs!

[Sarah1281]

Oh, so did I. That's one of the things that annoyed me about Merrill: unlike Morrigan, she can't be taught to do it. That's also why I was so thrilled to get Bethany back and in my game she was always a better healer than Anders anyway.

[SurelyForth]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh, so did I. That's one of the things that annoyed me about Merrill: unlike Morrigan, she can't be taught to do it. That's also why I was so thrilled to get Bethany back and in my game she was always a better healer than Anders anyway.

Not for me! Bethany was my destructo-mage. I loved Sunshine raining fire to smite her enemies! Between her and my Reaver, the Hawke sisters were just unstoppable badasses with hearts of gold. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 15 mars 2011 - 12:47 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

leggywillow wrote...

Even if I didn't like Anders, this would be a big factor for me.  XD  Same reason I dragged Wynne around on every single mission in Origins, no matter how much the old bat irked me.

It felt really wrong to play as him after that though, since I usually did. I was honestly disgusted for a good twenty minutes, but his spec is ridiculously awesome for... well, anything you need him to do. I may have enjoyed watching him go flying from AOE attacks from that point on, a little too much.

No way I'd have won against Orsino without him though. Anders death = might as well reload.

Oh, Bethany comes back? She died in the Deep Roads for me. The one time I didn't bring Anders... I'll remember that for metagaming later.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 15 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[Sarah1281]

Oh, Bethany comes back? She died in the Deep Roads for me. The one time I didn't bring Anders... I'll remember that for metagaming later.

Well, I left her behind so she became a Circle mage and thus was on the scene. But I believe that your GW sibling comes back and fights with you at the end.

I think I've figured out part of why the Chantry thing bothered me so much. 'Distract an authority figure without knowing the reason' is never a good sign, ever. I tried to press for more details and I can't believe how much he emotionally blackmailed me! I wanted to slap him when he said something along the lines of "Oh, I guess you're all talk when it comes to supporting mages."

In the end, I wasn't the only one who chose something else above the relationship. He did it first and once he did I couldn't put him above everything else.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I think I've figured out part of why the Chantry thing bothered me so much. 'Distract an authority figure without knowing the reason' is never a good sign, ever. I tried to press for more details and I can't believe how much he emotionally blackmailed me! I wanted to slap him when he said something along the lines of "Oh, I guess you're all talk when it comes to supporting mages."

I made my first Hawke intending for him to be whatever degree of naive or overly trusting it would take to follow Anders on his inevitable shenanigans, but I wasn't expecting the emotional blackmail. That's when I gave Hawke the idiot ball just to see where it would lead and... yeah. Enjoy living with that blood on your hands, with the person you lied to as a means to that abhorrent end, Anderps.

For all this though, I really like him. Almost as much as I hate him! Which is awesome.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 15 mars 2011 - 02:06 .

[CrazyCatPeekin]

Argh! OK...so this is what I get for not reading any spoilers before my play through. Here I am in Act 3...well into a romance with Anders that I will apparently never get to finish because I somehow managed to miss the Fenris quest. I don't even remember seeing it but there's a note in the codex saying that he took care of it himself. How on earth did I miss this? I seem to remember a convo where the only right choice seemed the flirty one, but I didn't want to flirt with him. Was it necessary to get his quest?

Now I can't decide whether to see if I still have a save to go back to...just stick it out and finish it...or start over before I know the ending....it is getting harder to stay away from all the spoilers though...and I don't think I am going to have a chance to play again until...Thursday! Yikes!

[Lady Dino]

Oh man. I was ten kinds of mad when I saw that explosion. And then Crabby, my personal nickname for Sebastion, was egging me on so chose to kill Anders. But... I'd. Romanced him and the line he says about being glad it's you and how he was happy with you while it lasted.

Not to mention that he was just sitting there waiting for you to come kill him. He could have run, he could have fought you but he just sits there, waiting. Maker be damned, I changed my mind but Hawke apperently hadn't so I had to watch him die. I busted out crying and reloaded. I felt like such a nerd, video games making me cry and all but come on. That whole situation was so sad.

After thinking it through I decided that keeping him alive was the better desicion (notice how I didn't say best, imho there is no good option there). Anders started a revolution, if he isn't there so see it through to the end I think the lives lost in that Chantry were wasted.

Revolutions need clear leaders with set beliefs/ideals if Anders doesn't do it (although I'm sure some peoples Hawke's would be willing to step in not everyone would want to) maybe the Tevinter Magus will take control, bringing with them a taste for blood magic and slavery. Anders is at least trying to do the right thing, despite his methods.

[maselphie]

This is going to sound weird (or not) but I'm going for Fenris in my 2nd playthrough, so I keep Anders out of my party ... but every time I see that bastard in his clinic I want to ravish him. This is NOT supposed to be happening! Fenris is supposed to be my favorite! D: Hepler what have you dooone.

[maselphie]

Lady Dino wrote...

Revolutions need clear leaders with set beliefs/ideals if Anders doesn't do it (although I'm sure some peoples Hawke's would be willing to step in not everyone would want to) maybe the Tevinter Magus will take control, bringing with them a taste for blood magic and slavery. Anders is at least trying to do the right thing, despite his methods.

That's true ... Would Anders become the mages' champion? Or would he live through Hawke again? Seeing how he took matters into his own hands, regardless of helping him or not, I would think he's independent enough at the end of the game to become some sort of revolutionary leader. However, he's pretty suicidal and hates himself, so I'm not sure if he could or want to. He might not because of his selfishness even -- leaders are usually the targets of assasination. A romanced Hawke by his side might be the only way the two of them could become leaders, maybe. Or they'll do just as he says: hide and run away forever and ever. That's what he's been doing his whole life, and without Justice, would still be doing it.

[DM Veil]

I try my best to remain spoiler free before a game comes out and the ending with Anders really shocked me. In fact, all through the game I had been siding with mages and backing them up and thinking I would choose to side with them in Act 3, but when I saw what Anders did I switched to Templars and killed the SOB.

[leggywillow]

maselphie wrote...

This is going to sound weird (or not) but I'm going for Fenris in my 2nd playthrough, so I keep Anders out of my party ... but every time I see that bastard in his clinic I want to ravish him. This is NOT supposed to be happening! Fenris is supposed to be my favorite! D: Hepler what have you dooone.

I know, it's so haaaaaard.  I'm trying to romance Fenris now and every time I go to Darktown I just see those big brown abomination eyes... D: