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[ekurian]

Ashwraith wrote...

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EDIT: Also, dear sweet jeezus, the "All That Remains" quest gives me nightmares. Actual nightmares. I am not even kidding.
Hawke, you are way more stoic than I would ever be in that situation. I imagine that in my case, there would be a whole lot more screaming, vomiting, and attempting to claw my way onto Anders' shoulders. ;3;

Oh I cried so hard at that D: Especially when Ander's was all 'I'm sorry I can't do anything to help her'. And my Rain getting blamed for it by Gamlen later on and being told that that she should have been born 'normal' and not a mage? Not helping!

Poor Rain was just about ready to consider being made Tranquil, just to make the magic and emotions go away ;A;

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Modifié par ekurian, 27 mars 2011 - 06:12 .

[Kawamura]

ipgd wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Magic shall serve man, and never rule over him.

Tell me I'm not the only one who always hears this quote in the voice of that old chanter lady in Denerim.

No, that's about the only voice I hear it in.

"Magic shall serve ham, and never rule over him". Huh. Well, that just doesn't make any sense.

Modifié par Kawamura, 27 mars 2011 - 06:21 .

[Ninche]

ekurian wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

-snip-

EDIT: Also, dear sweet jeezus, the "All That Remains" quest gives me nightmares. Actual nightmares. I am not even kidding.
Hawke, you are way more stoic than I would ever be in that situation. I imagine that in my case, there would be a whole lot more screaming, vomiting, and attempting to claw my way onto Anders' shoulders. ;3;

Oh I cried so hard at that D: Especially when Ander's was all 'I'm sorry I can't do anything to help her'. And my Rain getting blamed for it by Gamlen later on and being told that that she should have been born 'normal' and not a mage? Not helping!

Poor Rain was just about ready to consider being made Tranquil, just to make the magic and emotions go away ;A;

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Wow what happens to Hawke's mum in the game is LITERALLY my worst nightmare ever. I have these anxieties about loved ones being ripped apart with guts flying out or turned into horrible undead creatures i get to SEE. That was HORRIBLE ARGH 

But Anders is such a sweetheart when he goes: if you need to release your anger go ahead and take it out on me - he says it with so much care and emotion I was tearing up 

[fantasypisces]

I'm not caught up with the thread yet, but I want to say that it's kind of disappointing that the only way to make Anders question Justice is by rivalmancing him.

I mean, I friendmanced him. I believed in freeing the mages and all that, but in no way shape or form did I think him letting Justice in was a good idea. Yet apparently, if you friendmance him the game just assumes your cool with it.

Anytime the topic of justice came up, I would say how I didn't like it, whether through sarcastic options or whatever, but I was all for helping to rescue mages, lie to templars, even fight on the mages side.

I dunno, it might just be me. But I wish the big questioning beliefs moments weren't entirely based on friend or rival.

[ekurian]

Ninche wrote...

Wow what happens to Hawke's mum in the game is LITERALLY my worst nightmare ever. I have these anxieties about loved ones being ripped apart with guts flying out or turned into horrible undead creatures i get to SEE. That was HORRIBLE ARGH 

But Anders is such a sweetheart when he goes: if you need to release your anger go ahead and take it out on me - he says it with so much care and emotion I was tearing up 

He doesn't even say anything about it if Hawke says 'maybe the templars are right and magic is eeevil' he's just 'Let it all out, I'm here for you'.
Anders is so sweet, it's the whole reason I can never bring myself to rivalmance him- I just can't be mean to him- plus I'm a total mage lover /D

[Threeparts]

Gah, all these discussion threads about Anders I see popping up everywhere make me just want to tell them, "Come and read the last 300 pages of the Fan Thread! We've argued most sides of it already! It's not as boring as you might think! It includes ethics, morality and kittens!"
When I actually try to write out a coherent reply, I realise that I'd much rather expend my energy on those who have actually given some thought to the whole situation, and aren't just deciding to hate him because he's the "obvious" bad guy. This thread has spoiled me.

[Ashwraith]

It was interesting to play that quest as my rogue, who likes to think she is badass and unshakable.
She totally lost her **** during that quest. Ordinarily, she puts her foot down regarding blood magic. AW NAW. NOT THIS TIME, SON.
It was even worse with my MageHawke- I forgot about Gascard and just went to find dear old mum on my own. It didn't end well.

But we were talking about Anders, yes? Ahem.
RogueHawke would really appreciate it if he'd conveniently forget all the clinging and the panic and the weepiness.

[ekurian]

fantasypisces wrote...

I'm not caught up with the thread yet, but I want to say that it's kind of disappointing that the only way to make Anders question Justice is by rivalmancing him.

I mean, I friendmanced him. I believed in freeing the mages and all that, but in no way shape or form did I think him letting Justice in was a good idea. Yet apparently, if you friendmance him the game just assumes your cool with it.

Anytime the topic of justice came up, I would say how I didn't like it, whether through sarcastic options or whatever, but I was all for helping to rescue mages, lie to templars, even fight on the mages side.

I dunno, it might just be me. But I wish the big questioning beliefs moments weren't entirely based on friend or rival.

I agree with you on that one; I'd like to friendmance him and still tell him that letting Justice in was a baaaaad idea. You do get the option to say something along the lines of 'I'm gad you finally realised it was a bad idea' when he's talking about the non existant potion to seperate them, however.

Rain disapproves of Justice, but she understands that it was Anders' decision to 'join' with him. Even if she thinks it was the wrong choice, she still supports him.

[Threeparts]

fantasypisces wrote...

I'm not caught up with the thread yet, but I want to say that it's kind of disappointing that the only way to make Anders question Justice is by rivalmancing him.

I mean, I friendmanced him. I believed in freeing the mages and all that, but in no way shape or form did I think him letting Justice in was a good idea. Yet apparently, if you friendmance him the game just assumes your cool with it.

Anytime the topic of justice came up, I would say how I didn't like it, whether through sarcastic options or whatever, but I was all for helping to rescue mages, lie to templars, even fight on the mages side.

I dunno, it might just be me. But I wish the big questioning beliefs moments weren't entirely based on friend or rival.

I agree with that: it's a little frustrating that we can't debate the two issues separately. I'm totally pro-mage, but consider inviting in Justice and accepting the situation with Vengeance is just as bad as approving of Merrill's blood magic. I understand that the whole purpose of Vengeance being there is to achieve their goal of breaking the Circles, but I want to be able to convince Anders that we can do that on our own, that humans can fight together against the Templars and that he doesn't need Vengeance.

[LT123]

Ashwraith wrote...

It was interesting to play that quest as my rogue, who likes to think she is badass and unshakable.
She totally lost her **** during that quest. Ordinarily, she puts her foot down regarding blood magic. AW NAW. NOT THIS TIME, SON.
It was even worse with my MageHawke- I forgot about Gascard and just went to find dear old mum on my own. It didn't end well.

But we were talking about Anders, yes? Ahem.
RogueHawke would really appreciate it if he'd conveniently forget all the clinging and the panic and the weepiness.

Last playthrough I used Gascard to get there, and was repaid gloriously when, as Gascard was ranting about how he'd become the psycho's apprentice, Varric shot him in the throat with a crossbow bolt. With no input from Hawke, even!

And Anders coming by was sweet. He's even nice if Hawke says maybe the templars are right.

[XOGHunter246]

Ok has anyone had this happen after a fight in Sundermount for Merill quest the that leads to the shadow warriors and dragon. I heard some heavy breathing like huffing and puffing like they had ran a marathon or something from someone in my team it was out of Anders and Varric I highly doubt it was Merill and Anders was the one right behind me.

I was thinking really this fight was only like 3 mins and they tired already may of been a glitch or bug dunno just found it strange hearing it after the fight for like 20 seconds . I thought at first it was a enemie but they was all dead .

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 27 mars 2011 - 06:58 .

[Kawamura]

Threeparts wrote...
I agree with that: it's a little frustrating that we can't debate the two issues separately. I'm totally pro-mage, but consider inviting in Justice and accepting the situation with Vengeance is just as bad as approving of Merrill's blood magic. I understand that the whole purpose of Vengeance being there is to achieve their goal of breaking the Circles, but I want to be able to convince Anders that we can do that on our own, that humans can fight together against the Templars and that he doesn't need Vengeance.

I'm frustrated by that, too, but perhaps the problem is that Anders won't hear the two seperately. I know on Friendmance doing the Justice quest and not showing a lot of enthusiasm for his methods gets him really peeved at you. It might be that he can't tell the difference between the what he's doing and the how he's doing it if you don't attack him on both.

Or maybe they're making it so we can HAVE NO COMPROMISE.

[Threeparts]

Kawamura wrote...

Threeparts wrote...
I agree with that: it's a little frustrating that we can't debate the two issues separately. I'm totally pro-mage, but consider inviting in Justice and accepting the situation with Vengeance is just as bad as approving of Merrill's blood magic. I understand that the whole purpose of Vengeance being there is to achieve their goal of breaking the Circles, but I want to be able to convince Anders that we can do that on our own, that humans can fight together against the Templars and that he doesn't need Vengeance.

I'm frustrated by that, too, but perhaps the problem is that Anders won't hear the two seperately. I know on Friendmance doing the Justice quest and not showing a lot of enthusiasm for his methods gets him really peeved at you. It might be that he can't tell the difference between the what he's doing and the how he's doing it if you don't attack him on both.

Or maybe they're making it so we can HAVE NO COMPROMISE.

Could be, the bastards.  I'm definitely a canon friendship romancer, so I'm just having to tack on "and they rode happily into the sunset to kick more templar ass, right after they had a long discussion about the inadvisability of sharing your body with ****ing demons."  to Varric's telling of the story.

Modifié par Threeparts, 27 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[ekurian]

Threeparts wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Threeparts wrote...
I agree with that: it's a little frustrating that we can't debate the two issues separately. I'm totally pro-mage, but consider inviting in Justice and accepting the situation with Vengeance is just as bad as approving of Merrill's blood magic. I understand that the whole purpose of Vengeance being there is to achieve their goal of breaking the Circles, but I want to be able to convince Anders that we can do that on our own, that humans can fight together against the Templars and that he doesn't need Vengeance.

I'm frustrated by that, too, but perhaps the problem is that Anders won't hear the two seperately. I know on Friendmance doing the Justice quest and not showing a lot of enthusiasm for his methods gets him really peeved at you. It might be that he can't tell the difference between the what he's doing and the how he's doing it if you don't attack him on both.

Or maybe they're making it so we can HAVE NO COMPROMISE.

Could be, the bastards.  I'm definitely a canon friendship romancer, so I'm just having to tack on "and they rode happily into the sunset to kick more templar ass, right after they had a long discussion about the inadvisability of sharing your body with ****ing demons."  to Varric's telling of the story.

Friendmancers unite!

He gets so uppity when you start questioning him about the Justice quest.

Anders: Does your support end at the Chantry door? Hmmm?!
Rain: I just want you to trust me ;A;

[DeaHamlet]

LT123 wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

It was interesting to play that quest as my rogue, who likes to think she is badass and unshakable.
She totally lost her **** during that quest. Ordinarily, she puts her foot down regarding blood magic. AW NAW. NOT THIS TIME, SON.
It was even worse with my MageHawke- I forgot about Gascard and just went to find dear old mum on my own. It didn't end well.

But we were talking about Anders, yes? Ahem.
RogueHawke would really appreciate it if he'd conveniently forget all the clinging and the panic and the weepiness.

Last playthrough I used Gascard to get there, and was repaid gloriously when, as Gascard was ranting about how he'd become the psycho's apprentice, Varric shot him in the throat with a crossbow bolt. With no input from Hawke, even!

And Anders coming by was sweet. He's even nice if Hawke says maybe the templars are right.

The second playthrough I killed him without even a question, I was so YOU BASTARD.
But this time I'm letting him go, not have Varric with me... JUST so I can bump into him and Fenris can torture and kill him.  It will be sweet!!!

[mellifera]

Threeparts wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Threeparts wrote...
I agree with that: it's a little frustrating that we can't debate the two issues separately. I'm totally pro-mage, but consider inviting in Justice and accepting the situation with Vengeance is just as bad as approving of Merrill's blood magic. I understand that the whole purpose of Vengeance being there is to achieve their goal of breaking the Circles, but I want to be able to convince Anders that we can do that on our own, that humans can fight together against the Templars and that he doesn't need Vengeance.

I'm frustrated by that, too, but perhaps the problem is that Anders won't hear the two seperately. I know on Friendmance doing the Justice quest and not showing a lot of enthusiasm for his methods gets him really peeved at you. It might be that he can't tell the difference between the what he's doing and the how he's doing it if you don't attack him on both.

Or maybe they're making it so we can HAVE NO COMPROMISE.

Could be, the bastards.  I'm definitely a canon friendship romancer, so I'm just having to tack on "and they rode happily into the sunset to kick more templar ass, right after they had a long discussion about the inadvisability of sharing your body with ****ing demons."  to Varric's telling of the story.

No, Hawke, Anders is the demons.

[Kawamura]

Threeparts wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Threeparts wrote...
I agree with that: it's a little frustrating that we can't debate the two issues separately. I'm totally pro-mage, but consider inviting in Justice and accepting the situation with Vengeance is just as bad as approving of Merrill's blood magic. I understand that the whole purpose of Vengeance being there is to achieve their goal of breaking the Circles, but I want to be able to convince Anders that we can do that on our own, that humans can fight together against the Templars and that he doesn't need Vengeance.

I'm frustrated by that, too, but perhaps the problem is that Anders won't hear the two seperately. I know on Friendmance doing the Justice quest and not showing a lot of enthusiasm for his methods gets him really peeved at you. It might be that he can't tell the difference between the what he's doing and the how he's doing it if you don't attack him on both.

Or maybe they're making it so we can HAVE NO COMPROMISE.

Could be, the bastards.  I'm definitely a canon friendship romancer, so I'm just having to tack on "and they rode happily into the sunset to kick more templar ass, right after they had a long discussion about the inadvisability of sharing your body with ****ing demons."  to Varric's telling of the story.

A very, very long talk and a long dry spell. The sort that would inspire respect in Avaline.

"Hawke, look. I'm sorry. Can we, you know, since we --"

"No. I'm still upset with you."

"But, love--"

"NO. HAWKE ANGRY NOW. HAWKE NEED SANDWICH."

Cassandra: Why are you telling me about this part?

Varric: Why? Mostly because it's funny. And a good story needs justice served.

[DeaHamlet]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Ok has anyone had this happen after a fight in Sundermount for Merill quest the that leads to the shadow warriors and dragon. I heard some heavy breathing like huffing and puffing like they had ran a marathon or something from someone in my team it was out of Anders and Varric I highly doubt it was Merill and Anders was the one right behind me.

I was thinking really this fight was only like 3 mins and they tired already may of been a glitch or bug dunno just found it strange hearing it after the fight for like 20 seconds . I thought at first it was a enemie but they was all dead .

I think that was from one of those Reverand dudes.  They take forever to keel over and die and make some weird breating noises.  

[ekurian]

Kawamura wrote...

A very, very long talk and a long dry spell. The sort that would inspire respect in Avaline.

"Hawke, look. I'm sorry. Can we, you know, since we --"

"No. I'm still upset with you."

"But, love--"

"NO. HAWKE ANGRY NOW. HAWKE NEED SANDWICH."

Cassandra: Why are you telling me about this part?

Varric: Why? Mostly because it's funny. And a good story needs justice served.

Better not deny Hawke that sammich, Anders.

I love the 'Wanna sammich?' after sex option xD

I can see my Rain Hawke teasing Anders with it after every time they do the deed p:

[Kawamura]

ekurian wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Threeparts wrote...
I agree with that: it's a little frustrating that we can't debate the two issues separately. I'm totally pro-mage, but consider inviting in Justice and accepting the situation with Vengeance is just as bad as approving of Merrill's blood magic. I understand that the whole purpose of Vengeance being there is to achieve their goal of breaking the Circles, but I want to be able to convince Anders that we can do that on our own, that humans can fight together against the Templars and that he doesn't need Vengeance.

I'm frustrated by that, too, but perhaps the problem is that Anders won't hear the two seperately. I know on Friendmance doing the Justice quest and not showing a lot of enthusiasm for his methods gets him really peeved at you. It might be that he can't tell the difference between the what he's doing and the how he's doing it if you don't attack him on both.

Or maybe they're making it so we can HAVE NO COMPROMISE.

Could be, the bastards.  I'm definitely a canon friendship romancer, so I'm just having to tack on "and they rode happily into the sunset to kick more templar ass, right after they had a long discussion about the inadvisability of sharing your body with ****ing demons."  to Varric's telling of the story.

Friendmancers unite!

He gets so uppity when you start questioning him about the Justice quest.

Anders: Does your support end at the Chantry door? Hmmm?!
Rain: I just want you to trust me ;A;

Yeeeah. That wouldn't have gotten a ;A; from my Hawke. That would have gotten a fight. A big fight. A big, yelling, magic-crackling-in-the-air fight. And possibly a broken hand at the end of it when Hawke punches a wall. Because that's a stupid move.

I always like the dynamics between two men for that reason. I've noticed they're/we're much more likely to fight like that. Or maybe I just have bad conflict resolution skills.

At least in English. English makes me argumentative and pushy. Put me in Japanese and I'm not.

[Kawamura]

ekurian wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

A very, very long talk and a long dry spell. The sort that would inspire respect in Avaline.

"Hawke, look. I'm sorry. Can we, you know, since we --"

"No. I'm still upset with you."

"But, love--"

"NO. HAWKE ANGRY NOW. HAWKE NEED SANDWICH."

Cassandra: Why are you telling me about this part?

Varric: Why? Mostly because it's funny. And a good story needs justice served.

Better not deny Hawke that sammich, Anders.

I love the 'Wanna sammich?' after sex option xD

I can see my Rain Hawke teasing Anders with it after every time they do the deed p:

I didn't know how I felt about that face on my Hawke. I picked it because, you know, the other one is SAPPY SAPPY MC SAPPY SAP. And the face he makes -- god. It looks more like he had a good fart. God, that scene.

[Khali Khan]

DeaHamlet wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Ok has anyone had this happen after a fight in Sundermount for Merill quest the that leads to the shadow warriors and dragon. I heard some heavy breathing like huffing and puffing like they had ran a marathon or something from someone in my team it was out of Anders and Varric I highly doubt it was Merill and Anders was the one right behind me.

I was thinking really this fight was only like 3 mins and they tired already may of been a glitch or bug dunno just found it strange hearing it after the fight for like 20 seconds . I thought at first it was a enemie but they was all dead .

I think that was from one of those Reverand dudes.  They take forever to keel over and die and make some weird breating noises.  

Also heard the heavy breathing noise in Sundermount, but I'd rather not know what it was 

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

After finishing DA2 on my firt playthrough, I wish I had manced Anders. After what he did at the end, oddly, I love him even more for it

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

MorningBird wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

See, I'm not buying it because before you do anything for anyone in the game you're blowing up angry refugees in the streets and working for mercenaries. Seriously, Hawke basically was a walking billboard for apostates.

I... didn't blow up any refugees.  I told them I was from Ferelden and they let me be.  Most of the street fights I had were either at night (very few people around), in Darktown (which Anders says is the best place to be if you want to disappear, due to the surplus of refugees), or in a sewer/underground/in a warehouse (out of sight.)

The only fight I remember occurring in broad daylight was the one at the docks (rescuing Harrowmont.)

If you're blowing up people in broad daylight (and refugees at that) it's possible the templars simply believed Hawke to be 'above' the danger level of run-of-the-mill apostates, and that they were putting together a plan of action to corner him/her when/where they'd be at the most disadvantage, only to have him/her disappear into the Deep Roads before they could move in.

That's essentially what they do to Bethany.  They wait until she's separated from her entourage (giving them the advantage of numbers) and surrounded by family (people SHE would endanger if she engaged the templars in a fight.)

The men that attack you not 5 minutes after you arrive in Kirkwall? You remember them right? Probably not because I burned them into little crispy pieces right in front of the Gallows. Hawke really has no reason to be protected two years in. Seeing as how Meredith and the Templars had the city mages on lockdownwhen you arrive I don't see them giving on refugee special treatment. The whole time with Bethany or Carver you're being warned that mages are persecuted there. It another hole that is never explained. Hawke logically would have been arrested and your journey would end.

[LastFadingSmile]

ekurian wrote...

Anders: Does your support end at the Chantry door? Hmmm?!
Rain: I just want you to trust me ;A;

I actually really love pursuing that conversation because Hawke gets so melodramatic and condescending. It's a total Lady Macbeth moment in my mind.

"Then tell me, WHAT would you HAVE of me... but know that I won't forget that you blackmailed me to get it!"