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[Ashwraith]

...I just read the past couple of pages, and am now horribly depressed.
Waaaaaaah. I want my friends baaaaaaaack. ;3;

Ah well. There's only one thing to do in this situation: read fanfiction, and eat chocolate.
Good god, I am a walking cliche.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 27 mars 2011 - 10:45 .

[Dunizel]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Dunziel You're missing my point. The bomb idea IS Justice's idea on the friendship part, but it is ALSO Anders' because the two of them are ONE. There's no blame to be placed on either side. They aren't separate. The idea comes from both of them.

Oh but I understood and respect your point. But the thing is we just don't know which is the truth. Maybe not even Anders knows. You feel they are one, but while this is true, Anders sometimes feels that Vengeance thoughts are different from his. Anders for sure didn't want to kill that girl. What I think it's that it is just hard to understand, if it is even possible, to what degree they are one, and to what degree Vengeance influences Anders' actions. Even Merrill was influenced and she didn't have a demon inside. I'm not trying to blame Vengeance for the bomb, not at all. I even agree that something had to be done in Kirkwall (to be honest, I think that Elthina and a few sisters aren't a great loss, there, I said it). I just suppose that Anders without Vengeance would have thought of something different, but we wil never know. 
I am only worried for Anders after all... :\\ 

Modifié par Dunizel, 27 mars 2011 - 10:47 .

[YamiSnuffles]

lamppostinwinter wrote...

Kittens FOR JUSTICE!

 
by kiany-kun on deviant

I kind of, sort of love this picture. A lot. All the more reason Anders should get cats. Attack kittens of GREAT JUSTICE.

Also, the Seb mod was horrifying. It felt so wrong to have Seb act and sound like Anders. Plus, most of the reason to keep Seb around is his voice.

Anyway, this thread goes too fast. I fall behind and turn into a lurker unless I sit around hitting refresh.

[Sjofn]

I'm worried for both of 'em, because I really liked Justice.

Although even in DA:A, before I was even thinking about DA2, I was a little "Man, Justice, you're sounding sort of ... tempted by the whole mortal experience. Careful, buddy!"

<sob>

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

MorningBird wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Blending in is hard when all you can do is equip staffs and robes.XD

Seriously, everything is conjecture. The only facts we have are the one's the game has presented. In short, want to be accepted as a mage? Be a Bioware protagonist.

lol, well, considering no one actually DOES find out Hawke is a mage until it's too late, I'd say it's more than conjecture, but I do understand what you're saying.

It's just not something that really breaks my immersion? xD  So long as reasons do exist for why Hawke HASN'T been caught, I'm cool with it not being explicitly explained to me.

Though, that may just be because my mage play-through is still in act 1, and my Hawke is wearing pants, not robes. lol

It broke immersion for some, like me. The whole time people are voicing their concerns that you may get caught or trying to get you involved in the plight of mages because apparently because you're one you should sympathise. Well for me I couldn't get emotionally involved because I couldn't relate to how mages are treated because no one in the Dragon Age 2 world reacted as if I were one. Carver gnawing my ear off about being careful was annoying when I could light a fireball in front of a templar without consequence. There were no reasons given until you became Champion why they let you run around like a nutter in a dress freezing assassins in crowded markets.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 27 mars 2011 - 10:56 .

[Magaloo]

Sjofn wrote...

I'm worried for both of 'em, because I really liked Justice.

Although even in DA:A, before I was even thinking about DA2, I was a little "Man, Justice, you're sounding sort of ... tempted by the whole mortal experience. Careful, buddy!"

<sob>

Espeially with all his "desist with your questions!" to Anders. There was something brewing there for sure.

  Which is why strangely I like him better now than in Awakening.  Sure he is a big ****block and he incite Anders to mass murder and digging for poo in sewers... BUT at least now I am sure of where he stands. 

[Threeparts]

Miri1984 wrote...

@ Threeparts:Yes, I see what you mean, BUT (always there's a but) I think by the end of the friendship path there really ISN'T a separation between what Justice/Vengeance thinks and what Anders does. They are one. He keeps telling us that, throughout the game, and I think someone's pointed out that the Justice/Vengeance part of him is like his temper, it comes out, but it's still HIM. Encouraging him to CONTROL it is what I want to do. Encouraging him to think of it as something that isn't HIM isn't, IMO, right, because any splitting of the two of them leads to rivaly blackouty things, where he can laugh it off as "Justice's fault", which I don't think is healthy.

So, basically, what I'm for is getting Anders to control his propensity for Vengeance, wtithout denying that that propensity is part of his personality that can't be removed or separated from him, IYKWIM?

I understand that there isn't a dividing line between them, I'm just using 'Vengeance' as a general term for the intensified emotions and lack of judgement he seems to have now, as opposed to before the merge.
Furthering the 'like his temper' example, I want to encourage him to think, "Okay, I'm angry, but is punching a hole in the wall over burnt toast something I would normally do, or am I overreacting?" I agree that having him learn to control that is key. Whether it's through your Hawke's meditation and breathing techniques, or my Hawke's "If you don't calm the **** down and think for a moment, I will make the dog sit on you," we both want him to have that control. 

My beef is that it's not really shown on the friendship path, and the only moment we really step in and ask him to rethink his actions is during Dissent. More emphasis on that and the way different Hawkes on different paths would deal with that would be wonderful.

[Tasmen]

I bring arts...



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Modifié par Tasmen, 27 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[Kawamura]

Sjofn wrote...

I'm worried for both of 'em, because I really liked Justice.

Although even in DA:A, before I was even thinking about DA2, I was a little "Man, Justice, you're sounding sort of ... tempted by the whole mortal experience. Careful, buddy!"

<sob>

He's going to be like that fat angel in that Nicholas Cage movie with the song by Sarah Surname I Can't Spell.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Kawamura wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

I'm worried for both of 'em, because I really liked Justice.

Although even in DA:A, before I was even thinking about DA2, I was a little "Man, Justice, you're sounding sort of ... tempted by the whole mortal experience. Careful, buddy!"

<sob>

He's going to be like that fat angel in that Nicholas Cage movie with the song by Sarah Surname I Can't Spell.

Sarah McLachlan?

[Ashwraith]

Sjofn wrote...

I'm worried for both of 'em, because I really liked Justice.

Although even in DA:A, before I was even thinking about DA2, I was a little "Man, Justice, you're sounding sort of ... tempted by the whole mortal experience. Careful, buddy!"

<sob>

I know exactly what you mean.
I was playing Awakening the other day, because I'd forgotten some sidequests and was aiming for 100% completion. And Andraste's flaming ass, those banters with Justice and Anders are painful to listen to in hindsight.
They hurt me.
In my heart. ;3;
I actually had to turn off the game a couple of times, no lie, plus I took it out on my own character.
"What the hell's wrong with you?! You're supposed to keep everyone in line! Merril said she saw you in Kirkwall, for chrissake! GO FIGHT THE QUEEN OF THE BLACKMARSH BY YOURSELF THEN!"

Huh. Something tells me, and I'm not sure what, that I'm getting a leet-tle too emotionally invested in this game.
....Naaaaah. What am I thinking? That's just crazy talk. Crazy.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 27 mars 2011 - 11:03 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

Kawamura wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

I'm worried for both of 'em, because I really liked Justice.

Although even in DA:A, before I was even thinking about DA2, I was a little "Man, Justice, you're sounding sort of ... tempted by the whole mortal experience. Careful, buddy!"

<sob>

He's going to be like that fat angel in that Nicholas Cage movie with the song by Sarah Surname I Can't Spell.

Sarah McLachlan?

[Sjofn]

Ashwraith wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

I'm worried for both of 'em, because I really liked Justice.

Although even in DA:A, before I was even thinking about DA2, I was a little "Man, Justice, you're sounding sort of ... tempted by the whole mortal experience. Careful, buddy!"

<sob>

I know exactly what you mean.
I was playing Awakening the other day, because I'd forgotten some sidequests and was aiming for 100% completion. And Andraste's flaming ass, those banters with Justice and Anders are painful to listen to in hindsight.
They hurt me.
In my heart. ;3;
I actually had to turn off the game a couple of times, no lie, plus I took it out on my own character.
"What the hell's wrong with you?! You're supposed to keep everyone in line! Merril said she saw you in Kirkwall, for chrissake! GO FIGHT THE QUEEN OF THE BLACKMARSH BY YOURSELF THEN!"

Huh. Something tells me, and I'm not sure what, that I'm getting a leet-tle too emotionally invested in this game.
....Naaaaah. What am I thinking? That's just crazy talk. Crazy.

Oh yes, going back after finishing DA2 is super depressing. I tend to blame Nathaniel though, he's the one with the banter saying that Justice could find a willing host and it would probably be fine! 

Really, it's my wardens' faults, they keep killing the mother and then immediately ditching everyone to chase after Zevran or be queen or whatever.

Modifié par Sjofn, 27 mars 2011 - 11:06 .

[Ashwraith]

Sjofn wrote...

Oh yes, going back after finishing DA2 is super depressing. I tend to blame Nathaniel though, he's the one with the banter saying that Justice could find a willing host and it would probably be fine! 

If there really is a Maker, know I know how he must feel.
No matter how much you shake the screen and bellow "YOU'RE ALL MOOOOROOOOOONS" at the little pixel people, they will never hear you.
*weep*

Modifié par Ashwraith, 27 mars 2011 - 11:10 .

[mellifera]

Ashwraith wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

Oh yes, going back after finishing DA2 is super depressing. I tend to blame Nathaniel though, he's the one with the banter saying that Justice could find a willing host and it would probably be fine! 

If there really is a Maker, know I know how he must feel.
No matter how much you shake the screen and bellow "YOU'RE ALL MOOOOROOOOOONS" at the little pixel people, they will never hear you.
*weep*

I'm sure he has the power, he's just too busy not giving a crap. The Maker is the biggest troll.

[Ashwraith]

Lawl.
U MAD, THEDAS?

Modifié par Ashwraith, 27 mars 2011 - 11:14 .

[Sarah1281]

So remember a week ago or so when we were wondering what it would be like if the templars noticed all the companions having REALLY ill-timed conversations in the Gallows courtyard? I decided to write out the aftermath of competent!templars.

Here.

[Kawamura]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

I'm worried for both of 'em, because I really liked Justice.

Although even in DA:A, before I was even thinking about DA2, I was a little "Man, Justice, you're sounding sort of ... tempted by the whole mortal experience. Careful, buddy!"

<sob>

He's going to be like that fat angel in that Nicholas Cage movie with the song by Sarah Surname I Can't Spell.

Sarah McLachlan?

Yes. That would be the right one.

[Threeparts]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So remember a week ago or so when we were wondering what it would be like if the templars noticed all the companions having REALLY ill-timed conversations in the Gallows courtyard? I decided to write out the aftermath of competent!templars.

Here.

Oh, cripes, I can't stop giggling.

[YamiSnuffles]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So remember a week ago or so when we were wondering what it would be like if the templars noticed all the companions having REALLY ill-timed conversations in the Gallows courtyard? I decided to write out the aftermath of competent!templars.

Here.

Haha, I could completely imagine all of that happening. Plus the idea of Sebastian taking confessions in the middle of the Gallows is hilarious.

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

Erm, hi guys! Long time lurker here. Just thought I would pop my head in while there's a little lull. Ever since I spoiled myself for the ending (I know) this thread has been keeping me sane! I love it, and you are all awesome.

Also:

Sarah1281 wrote...

So remember a week ago or so when we were wondering what it would be like if the templars noticed all the companions having REALLY ill-timed conversations in the Gallows courtyard? I decided to write out the aftermath of competent!templars.

Here.

This is hilarious, and possibly now canon in my head!

[Ashwraith]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So remember a week ago or so when we were wondering what it would be like if the templars noticed all the companions having REALLY ill-timed conversations in the Gallows courtyard? I decided to write out the aftermath of competent!templars.

Here.

Oh jeezus, I laughed so hard I attained Nirvana. XD

[ipgd]

Dunizel wrote...

Oh but I understood and respect your point. But the thing is we just don't know which is the truth. Maybe not even Anders knows. You feel they are one, but while this is true, Anders sometimes feels that Vengeance thoughts are different from his. Anders for sure didn't want to kill that girl. What I think it's that it is just hard to understand, if it is even possible, to what degree they are one, and to what degree Vengeance influences Anders' actions. Even Merrill was influenced and she didn't have a demon inside. I'm not trying to blame Vengeance for the bomb, not at all. I even agree that something had to be done in Kirkwall (to be honest, I think that Elthina and a few sisters aren't a great loss, there, I said it). I just suppose that Anders without Vengeance would have thought of something different, but we wil never know. 
I am only worried for Anders after all... : 

I don't think it's so much that Justice has thoughts that are separate from him, so much as he holds several conflicting viewpoints that he attributes to the respective "aspects" of himself according to his memories of his past, separate lives. That, and he tends to like to blame Justice to avoid taking responsibility for his thoughts and actions, which obfuscates the nature of their individuality or lack thereof.

I think Vengeance's "possessions" are sort of like a blood sample in a centrifuge, and stressful stimulus just causes his aggressive "Justice" aspect to rise to the top and appear temporarily distinct. I imagine he is just really conflicted about everything all of the time, and through the course of the game, begins to resolve his cognitive dissonance by assimilating most of his "Anders" opinions with Justice's (friendship path), or greatly exacerbates his inherent discordance (rivalry path).

[DeaHamlet]

I know why nobody tries to arrest Hawke. They're terrified of her/him. I mean, even the templars had to AMBUSH me like some cowardly peasants in act 2 when they wanted revenge. LOL
In all seriousness:
1. Maybe the guard guy was like WTF fireballs for a second, but he had more important business to think about... like how his ass got saved by fireballs.
2. The 1 year with the mercenaries or the other people (forgot what they were), those people paid the right people in the guard and templars to keep it all hush-hush. They want a mage working for them by what they say.
3. Hawke gained notoriety working with either of those groups as someone who gets **** done and is rather effective at it. Effective at killing and/or manipulating. You don't want to mess with that. I'm pretty sure even templars and guards don't think it worth it to try to arrest someone when their partners could slit their throats in their sleep.
4. While nobility doesn't spare anyone from the gallows, if you couple the notoriety and the nobility thing together (and not any nobility, a pretty old family with many connections including in the chantry)... no wonder nobody tried to arrest Hawke.

And I'm still of the opinion that Varric definitely greased a lot of hands.

[Miri1984]

@Sarah that story was every kind of win imaginable.