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This! Seriously. His Act 3 quest was just, meh. He keeps saying how these mages needs to be stopped etc and I just wanted to have the option to say "Yeah Seb, mage over here. Really."


What really raised my hackles was his Act 3 banter with Fenris where he's wondering if they should turn Merrill and Anders in to the templars.

You know what Anders says about drowning in blood to keep Hawke safe?  Yeah.  That's small potatoes compared to what my Hawke would've done if any templar touched a hair on Merrill or Anders' heads.  I like Seb, I do, but his lack of genre savvy pains me sometimes.


Yeah, Hawke has done a LOT worse to people who haven't even harmed him personally.... pull a stunt like that and he and whoever tries to take them will be shown why mages are feared indeed <_<

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Yeah, Hawke has done a LOT worse to people who haven't even harmed himpersonally.... pull a stunt like that and he'll be shown why mages are feared indeed <_<


Even FENRIS tells him to back off.  When Fenris, broody sexy mage-hater extraordinaire thinks you're an idiot to cross Hawke, you should probably listen.

Also, Anders pic!  

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Well, wouldn't Fenris back off because he owes Hawke? Sebastian just seems to be out there, not really knowing what's going on in Kirkwall unless it's got something to do with a. Starkhaven b. Should he be prince or not c. OMG someone's threatening Elthina!!! d. Starkhaven.

Really, Fenris calling Bethany a viper that my Hawke should stay away from was nearly as bad. I didn't even have the option to say "dude she's my sister!"

And on topic. I'm currently trying to rivalmance Anders. It hurts me. I hate that you can't be pro-mage but anti-Anders/Justice merge -.-

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See, I got that Sebastian banter for the first time as my templar-ish warrior fella (he still thinks what's her face is crazy, mind you, he thinks Cullen is totally sensible though ... which is amusing), and he was a rival with Anders and Merril, so it was more like, "Yeah, we probably should, but ... meh." I did enjoy how Fenris was like "I ain't going there, dude." Anders was also in the group, and he was all, "Man, screw you. Like they don't know about me. I'M HARDCORE."

It does sort of make Anders giving the thumbs up to sending Fenris off with Denarius even douchier, if you think about it.

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"Anders, please stop yelling at the amnesiac templar who forgot we were just slinging fireballs and is ignoring that I'm in a dress and we both have staffs strapped to our backs."

Then again, right after this Hawke yelled at Cullen and Carver was like "WTF R U DOIN YOU DOLT"


And sjofn, had Hawke willingly sent Merrill and Anders off to the templars I don't doubt Fenris would have had his "TROLOL ABOUT TIME" moment. But Anders' comment was super douchey anyway, nothing changes that.

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And on topic. I'm currently trying to rivalmance Anders. It hurts me. I hate that you can't be pro-mage but anti-Anders/Justice merge -.-


I can't do the rivalmance.  I just...to rivalry him, you either have to be horrible to him or side with the templars.  Neither of which I am capable of doing.  

My sympathies always lay with the mages even in DA:O--helped that I was playing a mage Warden.  But DA2 added emotional weight to that--the Tranquility quest made me want to slit the throat of the templar who Tranquilled Karl...which I eventually got to do with great glee.

Honestly, after DA2, I have a hard time blaming Anders for his anger against the templars and Chantry.  As a player, I was WICKED PISSED.  My eyes don't glow, but if they could...

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 28 mars 2011 - 10:54 .


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Yeah, you're probably right about Fenris being all "lol, faced!" Douches all around!

I love how Carver is always all OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING whenever you go near a templar. It makes me want to give him an affectionate noogie. "Don't worry, l'il bro! I'm the PC!"

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...
What really raised my hackles was his Act 3 banter with Fenris where he's wondering if they should turn Merrill and Anders in to the templars.

:huh: People have been complaing about how little sense it makes for Hawke to be an apostate and not being recognized as such? I wanted to slap Fenris for being a chicken. Hello? Haven't you been complaing about mages for years? Hypocrite!

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Yeah, you're probably right about Fenris being all "lol, faced!" Douches all around!

I love how Carver is always all OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING whenever you go near a templar. It makes me want to give him an affectionate noogie. "Don't worry, l'il bro! I'm the PC!"


He and Sebastian would probably have a freeze frame  mid-air epic bro high five over it, lol.

See, that's why I love Carver. Sure, he said the word 'shadow' eleventy bazillion times but he's such an awesome little bro and really watches out for Hawke (even though Hawke has PC invincibility). I also love being able to snark at him over his ~overshadowed~ complex too :innocent: With Bethany I felt too much like I had the cutest sweetest most perfect little sister I had to protect foreverty ever. Wasn't the same, even though I love Beth as a character.

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klarabella wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
What really raised my hackles was his Act 3 banter with Fenris where he's wondering if they should turn Merrill and Anders in to the templars.

:huh: People have been complaing about how little sense it makes for Hawke to be an apostate and not being recognized as such? I wanted to slap Fenris for being a chicken. Hello? Haven't you been complaing about mages for years? Hypocrite!


Except that he owes Hawke, and pissing off Hawke is a bad idea.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I can't do the rivalmance.  I just...to rivalry him, you either have to be horrible to him or side with the templars.  Neither of which I am capable of doing.  

My sympathies always lay with the mages even in DA:O--helped that I was playing a mage Warden.  But DA2 added emotional weight to that--the Tranquility quest made me want to slit the throat of the templar who Tranquilled Karl...which I eventually got to do with great glee.

Honestly, after DA2, I have a hard time blaming Anders for his anger against the templars and Chantry.  As a player, I was WICKED PISSED.  My eyes don't glow, but if they could...


Yes this is how I feel as well. But I figured I'd try it out just to see. We'll see how far I can make it before I give in and roll another mage friendly Hawke lol

Modifié par Aeowyn, 28 mars 2011 - 11:06 .


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Except that he owes Hawke, and pissing off Hawke is a bad idea.


And unlike Seb, he understands that crossing swords with Hawke tends to end in people getting dead <_<  JUST A HINT.  

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

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Except that he owes Hawke, and pissing off Hawke is a bad idea.


And unlike Seb, he understands that crossing swords with Hawke tends to end in people getting dead <_<  JUST A HINT.  


Hee hee crossing swords...

...wait, is it not innuendo time?

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

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Except that he owes Hawke, and pissing off Hawke is a bad idea.

And unlike Seb, he understands that crossing swords with Hawke tends to end in people getting dead <_<  JUST A HINT.  

And here I thought Hawke was an interesting person who was just at the right place at the right time, not some kind of invulnerable superhero.

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Yesterday I finished DA2 for the first time - I liked it very, very, very much, thanks to its wonderful story and great character development - and I'd like to share my thoughts on Anders.

I obviously spared him and agree to run away with him. Before I explain, let me say that, one way or another, that scene was incredibly written. It was truly magnificent in my opinion. Every single line of dialogue was outstanding, from Orsino shouting "You fool! You've doomed us all!" to Anders saying "I removed the chance of compromise, because there is no compromise."

I'd love to know who wrote that scene. My sincere, heartfelt compliments.

Back to Anders, though.

In my opinion, Anders did the right thing. Surely, it's horrible. But it was necessary. There's only one bloodless revolution in history, and that came after an incredibly bloody war. It was inevitable. Elthina was a petty, decrepit old hag who believed that sit on her hands and do nothing was the will of the Maker. By doing so, she was de facto allowing Meredith to torture the Mages. I won't mourn her loss. Not a bit. And yes, it's a tragedy that the Chantry bombing made casualties even in the civilian people, but, like as I said, it was inevitable. Anders is a visionary, a revolutionary, an incredibly brave man who fights for freedom no matter what. His actions may be questionable, but his intent his pure. If you romance him, in the end he says: "Ten years, a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you, and there will be no templars to tear them apart." This is a world worth fighting for and if it takes his act to set this revolution in motion - the ending clearly states that Circles throughout Thedas started rebelling as well, after what happened in Kirkwall - then so be it. If he would have said to me what he was planning, Hawke, initially, would have tried to convince not to, but in the end he would have helped me nonetheless.

His actions have a striking resemblance with what Karl Marx worte in 1848 in his Manifesto of the Communist Party: "The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. WORKING MEN OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!" If you put it this way: "We Underground Mages disdai to conceal our views and aims. We openly declar that our ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the Templars tremble at a Mage revolution. Mages have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Mages of all Circles, unite!" it almost seems something taking straight from Anders' manifesto, no? ;)

I'd be interested to know if Jennifer Hepler actually had Marx in mind when she wrote Anders' Act 3 or something to this effect. But, whatever the case, that DA2 manages to be so nuanced and thought-provoking it's a testament to its quality.

At least in my opinion ^_^

Modifié par AndreaDraco, 28 mars 2011 - 11:28 .


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klarabella wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

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Except that he owes Hawke, and pissing off Hawke is a bad idea.

And unlike Seb, he understands that crossing swords with Hawke tends to end in people getting dead <_<  JUST A HINT.  

And here I thought Hawke was an interesting person who was just at the right place at the right time, not some kind of invulnerable superhero.


S/he is? But considering the experience they have together, and considering that most people who goes against Hawke and her/his companions end up dead....yeah.

Also, if you brought Fenris to the Fade you fight him. If he was defeated there he should know that at least it won't be an easy fight.

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Sjofn wrote...

Yeah, you're probably right about Fenris being all "lol, faced!" Douches all around!

I love how Carver is always all OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING whenever you go near a templar. It makes me want to give him an affectionate noogie. "Don't worry, l'il bro! I'm the PC!"


<3 Carter. It's hard for me not to be a mage, because I love his surly attitude.

Even Meredith accepts your PC status. She told me several times she knew I was an apostate and that Anders was an apostate and she was only letting me stay out of the circle because... well, because I was the PC. And because otherwise, how could she fight me at the end with her magical glow sword?

There were so many times I wanted to tell Anders, enough with the salt petre and mysterious I'm going to blow up the chantry hints. Let's just kill Meredith instead, right now! Murder knife!

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

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And on topic. I'm currently trying to rivalmance Anders. It hurts me. I hate that you can't be pro-mage but anti-Anders/Justice merge -.-


I can't do the rivalmance.  I just...to rivalry him, you either have to be horrible to him or side with the templars.  Neither of which I am capable of doing.  

My sympathies always lay with the mages even in DA:O--helped that I was playing a mage Warden.  But DA2 added emotional weight to that--the Tranquility quest made me want to slit the throat of the templar who Tranquilled Karl...which I eventually got to do with great glee.

Honestly, after DA2, I have a hard time blaming Anders for his anger against the templars and Chantry.  As a player, I was WICKED PISSED.  My eyes don't glow, but if they could...


I liked the rivalmancing Anders because .. I pretty much don't like Justice in DA2, well, let's say I don't like Vengeance. Justice was uber awesome in DAO:Awakening but .. he seems corrupted spirit this time. :crying: 
Pissing Justice off in rivalmance was just great :wizard:

Modifié par Hellosanta, 28 mars 2011 - 11:44 .


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sabreene wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

Yeah, you're probably right about Fenris being all "lol, faced!" Douches all around!

I love how Carver is always all OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING whenever you go near a templar. It makes me want to give him an affectionate noogie. "Don't worry, l'il bro! I'm the PC!"


<3 Carter. It's hard for me not to be a mage, because I love his surly attitude.

Even Meredith accepts your PC status. She told me several times she knew I was an apostate and that Anders was an apostate and she was only letting me stay out of the circle because... well, because I was the PC. And because otherwise, how could she fight me at the end with her magical glow sword?

There were so many times I wanted to tell Anders, enough with the salt petre and mysterious I'm going to blow up the chantry hints. Let's just kill Meredith instead, right now! Murder knife!


But then he wouldn't get his chance to start a war and try to change the world!

How could you deny a man of such a thing?

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yukidama wrote...
 With Bethany I felt too much like I had the cutest sweetest most perfect little sister I had to protect foreverty ever. Wasn't the same, even though I love Beth as a character.


Or until she becomes a Grey Warden or a Circle Mage and then Hawke gets to be purposeless for a while and have wanton What do I do now? sex with Isabela, then **** you, my sister is mage and the best person. ****. sex with Fenris before running back to Isabela to make out and gossip about that sex Fenris until Justice finally lets Anders have the solution to the puzzle that is his chastity coat.

Ahem.

And my boyfriend has this totally fake theory on why Anders isn't arrested, ever: his clinic is not only for refugees, but for nobles/politicians/people of import on the down-low. He thinks that Anders has to know about every STD, addiction and secret elven love-child in Kirkwall and probably keeps two copies of his records- one at the Hanged Man, in Varric's suite, to be opened and distrubuted in whatever manner Varric sees fit should Anders disappear under suspicious circumstances, and the other at the Hawke estate, for safe keeping.

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SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...
 With Bethany I felt too much like I had the cutest sweetest most perfect little sister I had to protect foreverty ever. Wasn't the same, even though I love Beth as a character.


Or until she becomes a Grey Warden or a Circle Mage and then Hawke gets to be purposeless for a while and have wanton What do I do now? sex with Isabela, then **** you, my sister is mage and the best person. ****. sex with Fenris before running back to Isabela to make out and gossip about sex with Fenris until Justice finally lets Anders have the solution to the puzzle that is his chastity coat.

Ahem.

And my boyfriend has this totally fake theory on why Anders isn't arrested, ever: his clinic is not only for refugees, but for nobles/politicians/people of import on the down-low. He thinks that Anders has to know about every STD, addiction and secret elven love-child in Kirkwall and probably keeps two copies of his records- one at the Hanged Man, in Varric's suite, to be opened and distrubuted in whatever manner Varric sees fit should Anders disappear under suspicious circumstances, and the other at the Hawke estate, for safe keeping.


It is true that some nobles comes to Anders to cure diseases like STDs. You get the cut-scene if you visit anders while accompaning Isabella. :wizard:

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SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

 With Bethany I felt too much like I had the cutest sweetest most perfect little sister I had to protect foreverty ever. Wasn't the same, even though I love Beth as a character.


Or until she becomes a Grey Warden or a Circle Mage and then Hawke gets to be purposeless for a while and have wanton What do I do now? sex with Isabela, then **** you, my sister is mage and the best person. ****. sex with Fenris before running back to Isabela to make out and gossip about sex with Fenris until Justice finally lets Anders have the solution to the puzzle that is his chastity coat.


*ponders*

So sex is her/his purpose in life? Refreshingly honest.

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Hellosanta wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...
 With Bethany I felt too much like I had the cutest sweetest most perfect little sister I had to protect foreverty ever. Wasn't the same, even though I love Beth as a character.


Or until she becomes a Grey Warden or a Circle Mage and then Hawke gets to be purposeless for a while and have wanton What do I do now? sex with Isabela, then **** you, my sister is mage and the best person. ****. sex with Fenris before running back to Isabela to make out and gossip about sex with Fenris until Justice finally lets Anders have the solution to the puzzle that is his chastity coat.

Ahem.

And my boyfriend has this totally fake theory on why Anders isn't arrested, ever: his clinic is not only for refugees, but for nobles/politicians/people of import on the down-low. He thinks that Anders has to know about every STD, addiction and secret elven love-child in Kirkwall and probably keeps two copies of his records- one at the Hanged Man, in Varric's suite, to be opened and distrubuted in whatever manner Varric sees fit should Anders disappear under suspicious circumstances, and the other at the Hawke estate, for safe keeping.


It is true that some nobles comes to Anders to cure diseases like STDs. You get the cut-scene if you visit anders while accompaning Isabella. :wizard:


When I saw that I was like... AHhhh, so that is why you're so grumpy - you think I know your dirty little secrets! And I do! hah!

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Batteries wrote...

sabreene wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

Yeah, you're probably right about Fenris being all "lol, faced!" Douches all around!

I love how Carver is always all OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING whenever you go near a templar. It makes me want to give him an affectionate noogie. "Don't worry, l'il bro! I'm the PC!"


<3 Carter. It's hard for me not to be a mage, because I love his surly attitude.

Even Meredith accepts your PC status. She told me several times she knew I was an apostate and that Anders was an apostate and she was only letting me stay out of the circle because... well, because I was the PC. And because otherwise, how could she fight me at the end with her magical glow sword?

There were so many times I wanted to tell Anders, enough with the salt petre and mysterious I'm going to blow up the chantry hints. Let's just kill Meredith instead, right now! Murder knife!


But then he wouldn't get his chance to start a war and try to change the world!

How could you deny a man of such a thing?


Awww, you're right. Okay Anders, just one Chantry and after that it's bedtime. I don't care if you want a drink of water. Bed, bed, I say! ...er...., Hawke says.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Or until she becomes a Grey Warden or a Circle Mage and then Hawke gets to be purposeless for a while and have wanton What do I do now? sex with Isabela, then **** you, my sister is mage and the best person. ****. sex with Fenris before running back to Isabela to make out and gossip about sex with Fenris until Justice finally lets Anders have the solution to the puzzle that is his chastity coat.


*ponders*

So sex is her/his purpose in life? Refreshingly honest.


For a while, until the Qunari stuff happens and she gets involved with all that business, it's sex and helping Anders whenever she can. It's her reckless youth stage.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 28 mars 2011 - 12:03 .


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I was glad I played a warrior just because, had I been a mage, Hawke and Anders would have been way too similar. My first playthrough, my warrior Hawke was all about the mage cause. I figure it's a miracle the rest of the gang didn't just ditch her and Anders.

Hawke: Mages mages mages mages mages! Rights!
Anders: Mages mages mages mages mages! Freedom!
*cue hot headed revolutionary sex*