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[Italian Empress 1985]

maselphie wrote...

The real antagonist here is the demons/spirits. Without them, things would have never gotten this dire.

I agree with that. I mean, clearly the templars and mages are separately both to blame for their own actions/in-actions and what have you, but while that pot was already simmering, it boiled over because of the demons/spirits. I'm sure it would've boiled over on its own, a bubbling pot always does eventually, but not as badly without outside influence/interference.

So, I blame everyone. I'm an equal opportunity blame layer.
Of course, that's just my opinion, if anyone disagrees, don't beat me, I bruise easily.
I'm actually pretty impressed with the politics of this game, honestly. I feel immersed in it, and while I do miss the Anders of old, as I've said, I think the way he was written in THIS game, plays well into the overall storyline and dynamic.

Though maybe I should stop posting for a bit and go finish the game, before I get 'too' opinionated.

[Jean]

Camilladilla wrote...

Here's a thought: Can Anders actually die? He talks like he can in the game, but I was just rereading his short story and the sucker got run through by a sword in the chest and it doesn't even faze him!

It kinda gives me hope that Anders might be able to return for future DLCs/expacs/sequels. What's a dinky little murder knife compared to a templar's longsword?

I wondered that too. I wondered why Justice would of just let Hawke kill him too. I suspect he fulfilled what he felt he needed to, but I expected him to start glowing and attack Hawke. He may of started a revolution, but obtaining freedom for mages is still a little ways off. Instead he just.... sat there waiting for it.

Also curious, when and how do you get the line with Anders saying that all mages "will know his name" or something close to that?

Modifié par Batteries, 15 mars 2011 - 06:29 .

[Kim Shepard]

I like both Anders and Fenris. Anders wins out though, if for no other reason than the fact that Justice is there too. And he follows the pattern of many favorite characters of mine who are well-intentioned extremists (and crazy, can't forget crazy). Am I the only one who likes him better this way? xD

I just realized... he's also not the first of my favorite characters to be possessed and have a blue glow.

yukidama wrote...

I support turning the Circles into a series of Hogwarts.

Oddly enough, that's how my evil mage Warden would think of the Circle tower, if he knew about Hogwarts. But then he'd just join the Death Eaters. He's such a lazy guy until the subject of power is brought up.

[maselphie]

Batteries wrote...

I wondered that too. I wondered why Justice would of just let Hawke kill him too. I suspect he fulfilled what he felt he needed to, but I expected him to start glowing and attack Hawke. He may of started a revolution, but obtaining freedom for mages is still a little ways off. Instead he just.... sat there waiting for it.

Maybe him sitting reeeally still and thinking reeeally hard is Anders' only way of surpressing Justice? And if not, I would think that they would both feel justice has been served, to Elthina of nothing else. She was neutral, betch gotta die.

[kimprobable]

Justice: I understand that you struggle against your oppression, Mage.
Anders: I avoid my oppression. That's not quite the same thing, is it?
Justice: Why do you not strike a blow against your oppressors? Ensure they can do this to no
one else?
Anders: Because it sounds difficult?
Justice: Apathy is a weakness.
Anders: So is death. I'm just sayin'.

I thought I felt dumb before.  I'm replaying Awakening and find that I now feel even dumber.  There were hints before DA2 even came out.

Goddammit, Justice!!

Modifié par kimprobable, 15 mars 2011 - 06:33 .

[maselphie]

Okay, I officially have to replay Awakenings now. Justice never really showed up on my radar as a character, I guess because I assumed that since he was a spirit, that's basically all he is. He's Justice. Nothing new to see here. But you're right, there were was interaction between the two chars, and I do distinctly remember him talking to Anders about the mage thing, and I do distinctly remember Anders being "whatever" about it.

kimprobable wrote...

Goddammit, Justice!!

That really is more appropriate, truly.

Modifié par maselphie, 15 mars 2011 - 06:36 .

[Sarah1281]

kimprobable wrote...

Justice: I understand that you struggle against your oppression, Mage.
Anders: I avoid my oppression. That's not quite the same thing, is it?
Justice: Why do you not strike a blow against your oppressors? Ensure they can do this to no
one else?
Anders: Because it sounds difficult?
Justice: Apathy is a weakness.
Anders: So is death. I'm just sayin'.

I thought I felt dumb before.  I'm replaying Awakening and find that I now feel even dumber.  There were hints before DA2 even came out.

Goddammit, Justice!!

You think that's bad? Nathaniel practically talks Justice into possessing a willing host.

[leggywillow]

Has anyone gotten the party banter with Merrill where she tells Anders about some kittens?  It's so cute.  You get the feeling that Anders doesn't like talking to her but it's kittens so he has to.

To paraphrase:

Merrill: Do you want to get another cat?  There's a litter in the market almost ready to wean from their mother.
Anders: You don't pay any attention to templars or abominations, but you notice kittens?
Merrill: Templars and abominations don't attack your feet while you're shopping.
Anders: ......... do they have any tabbies? I'd love a tabby.

Anders mentions kittens a lot, actually.  I think it's right after "templar", "mage, and "justice" in his vocabulary.

[Miri1984]

Yeah, if I was Anders I'd be having some harsh words with Nate in that deep roads mission.

Anders: Remember that conversation you had with Justice, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, in the courtyard at Amaranthine, about WILLINGLY POSSESSING SOMEONE??
Nate: No?
Anders: F*&$ you, nose boy.

[Sarah1281]

So I just finished the game this morning and started another game and I noticed something about Anders' dialogue. It should be pretty obvious how he goes from semi-normal mage (though I was surprised at just HOW normal he seemed) to this close to a breakdown but I hadn't noticed the change in banter, particularly with Varric. In the first act Anders and Varric are plotting templars' deaths together and telling templar jokes and by the third act Varric keeps trying but Anders just brushes him off with a weary 'not now.'

[Sarah1281]

Miri1984 wrote...

Yeah, if I was Anders I'd be having some harsh words with Nate in that deep roads mission.

Anders: Remember that conversation you had with Justice, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, in the courtyard at Amaranthine, about WILLINGLY POSSESSING SOMEONE??
Nate: No?
Anders: F*&$ you, nose boy.

I bet he really doesn't remember it either. It seemed more like idle conversation than really trying to make future plans for Justice. That said, my Warden is planning on disavowing all knowledge of any conversations she may have had with Justice where she indicated that he could stay in the mortal realm without becoming a demon. My Hawke will probably kick Nathaniel's ass. I mean, I love Nate and all but six degrees.

[mellifera]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So I just finished the game this morning and started another game and I noticed something about Anders' dialogue. It should be pretty obvious how he goes from semi-normal mage (though I was surprised at just HOW normal he seemed) to this close to a breakdown but I hadn't noticed the change in banter, particularly with Varric. In the first act Anders and Varric are plotting templars' deaths together and telling templar jokes and by the third act Varric keeps trying but Anders just brushes him off with a weary 'not now.'

Yeah, one of the things I think they did really well with Anders is showing his deterioration throughout the years. As the game progressed you could see him breaking down further, and banter was a really good way of conveying that.

And the kitten banter was cute, as a total cat person I approve of the constant mention of kittens.

Modifié par yukidama, 15 mars 2011 - 07:21 .

[leggywillow]

yukidama wrote...

And the kitten banter was cute, as a total cat person I approve of the constant mention of kittens.

"Be a real pet.  Ignore me until you want something, then sit on my head."

I lol'ed hard.

[Kanjii9446]

My jaw dropped when i found out he just blew up the chantry, didn't get Sebastian happy either

[mellifera]

leggywillow wrote...

yukidama wrote...

And the kitten banter was cute, as a total cat person I approve of the constant mention of kittens.

"Be a real[/i] pet.  Ignore me until you want something, then sit on my head."

I lol'ed hard.

Anders knows what's up.

[Saile]

I promised myself to romance Merrill, but ended up with Anders anyhow. xD Damn, he's awesome. And mind****ed me. But in the end, I couldn't kill the poor guy even though it almost felt like he'd be trapped forever unless I killed him. Anyway, it's a little lame, but I couldn't resist hehehe.

And the banter between Izzy and Anders about the Pearl got me laughing for a good few minutes. Maaaaaaaaaaan that was awesome. xD

[Sable Rhapsody]

I keep rewatching Anders' kiss scene. It's hampering my attempts at replaying the game.

Also, I'm one of the weird people who will do replays with the same PC, just to fine-tune my "canon." She just met Anders for the first time...again. And this time, I know this is the man who's going to change her life, steal her heart, and bring her down with him into the abyss. GODAMMIT ANDERS.

[UltiPup]

So, quick question. Is the Justice quest forced upon you or can I avoid this fiery damnation? I prefer to keep Anders out of danger even if he despises me a little right now.

[UltiPup]

Ah, Anders. You are already a Rival. Might as well continue down the path and keep my hands clean. Will be weird to pick the mages this time this way.

[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Also, I'm one of the weird people who will do replays with the same PC, just to fine-tune my "canon." She just met Anders for the first time...again. And this time, I know this is the man who's going to change her life, steal her heart, and bring her down with him into the abyss. GODAMMIT ANDERS.

I do the same thing, except I had to start my replay close to the beginning of the game (totally missed Fenris' recruit mission the first time around). My FemHawke met and began the romance with Anders twice. xD I've also replayed a few side quests three times just to make sure Hawke was in-character. And this is why I'm still in Act 1...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kim Shepard wrote...
I do the same thing, except I had to start my replay close to the beginning of the game (totally missed Fenris' recruit mission the first time around). My FemHawke met and began the romance with Anders twice. xD I've also replayed a few side quests three times just to make sure Hawke was in-character. And this is why I'm still in Act 1...

I do sort of a "rough draft" playthrough, then go back and do another full playthrough.

Also, DA2 is the only game since Baldur's Gate where I've picked it right back up immediately upon finishing it to play through it again.  I love this game.  And I think Anders may have made me see why you love your well-intentioned extremists so 

[Kim Shepard]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I do sort of a "rough draft" playthrough, then go back and do another full playthrough.

Also, DA2 is the only game since Baldur's Gate where I've picked it right back up immediately upon finishing it to play through it again.  I love this game.  And I think Anders may have made me see why you love your well-intentioned extremists so 

Yay! Mission accomplished, Anders. >

That's the reason why I've always had to replay my first playthrough. At least this time, it should be "complete by the time I eventually finish.

[The Lesser Evil]

UltiPup wrote...

Ah, Anders. You are already a Rival. Might as well continue down the path and keep my hands clean. Will be weird to pick the mages this time this way.

Anders does NOT represent the mages you're siding with, keep that in mind. It's not like what he did was a grand plot by all the mages in Kirkwall. Heck, after what Anders did the Mages NEED protection, because it was his act of terrorism which lead to Meredith invoking the Right of Annulment. If he hadn't done what he did, the whole situation could possibly have been dealt with in a more peaceful way.