57020 réponses à ce sujet

[Ryzaki]

Sjofn wrote...

I'll friendmance him again, probably, but not as a mage. My mages will just look uncomfortable when he's all ZOMG ALL MAGES TOTES WANT TO BE YOU because hoooo that is just a little too TOO. But Anders is all about being too TOO, so it's all good. I can't see me rivaling him as a mage, even my "Screw demons AND spirits, seriously" mage was BFFs with Anders.

Oh it's too easy for me to rival him with a mage. Mostly because my mages understand the temptation and strong will needed to overcome demon's deals better than my warriors/rogues. 

And they get irritated at idiots using bloodmagic everywhere and making all the other mages who just want to live and let live look bad. 

[Miri1984]

@Ryzaki Why is it weird and horrible for Anders to admire an apostate who has managed to stay free for their entire life AND make a name enough for themselves to be immune to the templars? I fail to see why him admiring a mage because they are doing everything he wanted to do from the moment he was ripped from his parents as a twelve year old is creepy or weird. Truly.

[Ashwraith]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Justice was always one of my favorites. He probably is the favorite, if I had to choose just one (hard to choose between Awakening Justice and Anders/Justice though). My Kaya Hawke loves both of them too, so a line similar to that would have been appropriate for her.

What is it with the magnetic pull of Fade spirits, anyway?
I cannot fathom it. I truly cannot.
And yet, every time I play Mage!Warden, I run into Mouse in the Fade and-
No no no. Bad. Demon. BAD IDEA. Durngummit woman don't you dare.

It's kind of resolved itself into an idea of Mouse as kind of a Crowley flavor of demon.
(Still a horrifically bad idea to encourage him, mind you... but at least he'll smack you upside the head for being a freakin' moron before he eats your soul.)

I can't think of any companions I dislike -even Wynne grew on me after a while, and lawd I hated her initially- but I'm going to have to agree that Justice (plus Anders, for that matter) is right up there at the top. Jostling with Alistair.
I really want to know what's next in store for those two, though TBH I'm not sure how much more emotional trauma I can take.  ;3;

Also, HOLY SHIRTSLEEVES. I never noticed anything odd about Vernhart's name until just now.
By the stone, I am slow.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 29 mars 2011 - 08:02 .

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki Why is it weird and horrible for Anders to admire an apostate who has managed to stay free for their entire life AND make a name enough for themselves to be immune to the templars? I fail to see why him admiring a mage because they are doing everything he wanted to do from the moment he was ripped from his parents as a twelve year old is creepy or weird. Truly.

Did I say it was weird and horrible? Do not want just means...just that. I do not want it. That is all. 

It's just not what I prefer in a romance. 

And Conrad's fanboyism of Shepard isn't weird (It's hilarious and a bit facepalm worthy when it's towards douche Shepard). 

It only gets weird once people start making sex dolls and stealing underwear. Then it's creepy. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 mars 2011 - 07:46 .

[Miri1984]

Ryzaki wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki Why is it weird and horrible for Anders to admire an apostate who has managed to stay free for their entire life AND make a name enough for themselves to be immune to the templars? I fail to see why him admiring a mage because they are doing everything he wanted to do from the moment he was ripped from his parents as a twelve year old is creepy or weird. Truly.

Did I say it was weird and horrible? Do not want just means...just that. I do not want it. That is all. 

It's just not what I prefer in a romance. 

*blinks* Ok then. Each to their own. The tone of your post hit me as you thinking it weird and creepy though, perhaps it was the emoticons. 

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...

*blinks* Ok then. Each to their own. The tone of your post hit me as you thinking it weird and creepy though, perhaps it was the emoticons. 

Eh sorry if it seemed like I jumped down your throat. Just a wee bit sick of being attacked over preferences today. Nothing to do with this thread but yeah...

I <3 Conrad and find him hilarious. If I thought Anders fanboyism was overly creepy I'd said Ick or weird. 

...Did I even use emotioncons? Ah yes this one ":pinched:" 

Isn't that supposed to be irritatation? That's what I usually use it for. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 mars 2011 - 07:48 .

[Miri1984]

@Ryzaki I am old, crabby and unwise in the use of emoticons. They confuse me.

[sassperella]

I actually liked both rivalry and friendship and will play both again

[Kim Shepard]

Batteries wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Awesome. xD "Demony things."

Ashwraith wrote...

I can't think of any companions I dislike -even Wynne grew on me after a while, and lawd I hated her initially- but I'm going to have to agree that Justice (plus Anders, for that matter) is right up there at the top.
I really want to know what's next in store for those two, though TBH I'm not sure how much more emotional trauma I can take.  ;3;

There are definitely companions I don't like... none that I've hated in the same way as some of the Mass Effect companions though. (Maybe because no one in DAO trap-romanced my character and inspired me to start an evil playthrough to take out that frustration in an alternate universe. And so Kane Amell's playthrough began.) I'm neutral towards most of the DAO companions though. Awakening and DA2 were much better for having companions I cared about. I liked most of them. Flemeth becoming Voldemort was a great bonus too.

I'm totally overthinking the favorite thing. First instinct says Justice, so I'm going with that now.

[Ryzaki]

sassperella wrote...

I actually liked both rivalry and friendship and will play both again

Oh they defintely have their own unique charms. The support of the friendship mance is very sweet and loving. Though I love the sizzle of the slap slap kiss in the rivalrymance. 

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki I am old, crabby and unwise in the use of emoticons. They confuse me.

Ah it's all cool. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 mars 2011 - 07:58 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Anna Rardin wrote...

KealaFerret wrote...

Ok I'm so late to the punch here, but whoever posted the Twix commercial, darn you, I almost fell out of my chair. And now every time I see Anders I'm going to think of a Twix bar.

Or snicker every time I pass the vending machine at work...

Ahahaa *raises hand* GUILTY xD there should be a banner about this Twix thing... hmm...

I love Twix bars - just haven't had any in a long time. However, that commercial has now given me a reason to buy a whole box of them! Well, the next time I actually go out to the store anyway. Probably be horrible for my waistline though. *SIGH*

[mellifera]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki Why is it weird and horrible for Anders to admire an apostate who has managed to stay free for their entire life AND make a name enough for themselves to be immune to the templars? I fail to see why him admiring a mage because they are doing everything he wanted to do from the moment he was ripped from his parents as a twelve year old is creepy or weird. Truly.

Yeah, really. Practically everything out of Anders' mouth is mage mage mage. When he mentions things like mages looking up to Hawke as an apostate who made a name for themselves I didn't see it as "OMG UR A PARAGON OF MAGEYNESS AND EVERYONE (BUT MOSTLY ME) WANTS TO PROSTRATE THEMSELVES BEFORE YOUR MAKER AND FONDLE YOUR ANDRASTE SIGN MY ******" thing as much as pointing out that Hawke has become a symbol whether they wanted to or not and he'd really like it if you supported him in this endeavour because of all people Hawke should understand.

Then Anders gets really creepy about Hawke regardless, lol. Ultimately I think it's irrelevant since to me Hawke's personality and how they act toward Anders is much more significant than a handful of class specific lines. Heck, only reason I paired him up with a mage was because I played a mage first just based on the fact that I am a bad gamer and I ranged/magic classes are easier for me to play, haha. I don't think one class "belongs" with Anders more than any other, or that any other dynamic works better than the other because it depends on the individual Hawke for me.

Modifié par yukidama, 29 mars 2011 - 08:07 .

[Jean]

yukidama wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki Why is it weird and horrible for Anders to admire an apostate who has managed to stay free for their entire life AND make a name enough for themselves to be immune to the templars? I fail to see why him admiring a mage because they are doing everything he wanted to do from the moment he was ripped from his parents as a twelve year old is creepy or weird. Truly.

Yeah, really. Practically everything out of Anders' mouth is mage mage mage. When he mentions things like mages looking up to Hawke as an apostate who made a name for themselves I didn't see it as "OMG UR A PARAGON OF MAGEYNESS AND EVERYONE (BUT MOSTLY ME) WANTS TO PROSTRATE THEMSELVES BEFORE YOUR MAKER AND FONDLE YOUR ANDRASTE SIGN MY ******" thing as much as pointing out that Hawke has become a symbol whether they wanted to or not and he'd really like it if you supported him in this endeavour.

Then Anders gets really creepy about Hawke regardless, lol. Ultimately I think it's irrelevant since to me Hawke's personality and how they act toward Anders is much more significant than a handful of class specific lines. Heck, only reason I paired him up with a mage was because I played a mage first just based on the fact that I am a bad gamer and I ranged/magic classes are easier for me to play, haha. I don't think one class "belongs" with Anders more than any other, or that any other dynamic works better than the other because it depends on the individual Hawke for me.

This is making me laugh more than it should.

[Trophonius]

Rivalmance felt more rewarding to me. I guess you could call it a preference for tempestuous relationships, but friendmancing Anders was too....accordant. As if you're agreeing with almost everything he does, without question, which could start to look like blind devotion. With rivalmance, you get the sense that Anders is fighting harder to control Justice rather than admitting defeat by allowing Justice to swallow him whole. No doubt, there's still love and understanding, but it doesn't always have to be the cooperative kind.

[Ryzaki]

Where did one class belonging with Anders come from?
While I prefer the rivalmance with a mage I do it with every class. (And warrior thanks to lockopen mod is now going to be used more than rogue). 

I love swooping in to save Anders when he's surronded by foes. But all classes can do that. (Even if the warrior does it with more style.  ) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 mars 2011 - 08:08 .

[Sjofn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

I'll friendmance him again, probably, but not as a mage. My mages will just look uncomfortable when he's all ZOMG ALL MAGES TOTES WANT TO BE YOU because hoooo that is just a little too TOO. But Anders is all about being too TOO, so it's all good. I can't see me rivaling him as a mage, even my "Screw demons AND spirits, seriously" mage was BFFs with Anders.

Oh it's too easy for me to rival him with a mage. Mostly because my mages understand the temptation and strong will needed to overcome demon's deals better than my warriors/rogues. 

And they get irritated at idiots using bloodmagic everywhere and making all the other mages who just want to live and let live look bad. 

Well, my mage was also a huge bastard to blood mages, but Anders is actually down with that, so I found friend path with him a lot easier. Basically I can see making mages who are huge bastards to blood mages and stuff, but as a mage, I can't really get behind the whole EVERYONE GOES TO THE CIRCLE.

EXCEPT ME

AND ANDERS

AND THAT MERRIL CHICK I CAN'T GET ALONG WITH

Rivalling him was way easier as a warrior, he was just straight up "Mages can't have nice things, Circle for everyone! Except Bethany, because she is a Grey Warden."

[Ryzaki]

Sjofn wrote...
Well, my mage was also a huge bastard to blood mages, but Anders is actually down with that, so I found friend path with him a lot easier. Basically I can see making mages who are huge bastards to blood mages and stuff, but as a mage, I can't really get behind the whole EVERYONE GOES TO THE CIRCLE.

EXCEPT ME

AND ANDERS

AND THAT MERRIL CHICK I CAN'T GET ALONG WITH

Rivalling him was way easier as a warrior, he was just straight up "Mages can't have nice things, Circle for everyone! Except Bethany, because she is a Grey Warden."

LOL

My Hawke just took the view that Anders and Merril weren't turning people into abominations and stupidly dragging other people into their foolishness (Merrill is a bloodmage but she doesn't drag innocent people into her crap. Hawke is always free to refuse her). Though to each their own. 

Though it is much easier as a warrior. Though honestly I love the "YOU'RE A MAGE! How could you?!?" from Anders. The sheer indignation is glorious. 

[Kim Shepard]

Trophonius wrote...

Rivalmance felt more rewarding to me. I guess you could call it a preference for tempestuous relationships, but friendmancing Anders was too....accordant. As if you're agreeing with almost everything he does, without question, which could start to look like blind devotion. With rivalmance, you get the sense that Anders is fighting harder to control Justice rather than admitting defeat by allowing Justice to swallow him whole. No doubt, there's still love and understanding, but it doesn't always have to be the cooperative kind.

When my Hawkes agree with Anders, it's because they have the same views as he does, not because of blind devotion. Naturally, they wouldn't question following through with something they believed in before they even met Anders...

[mellifera]

Ryzaki wrote...

Where did one class belonging with Anders come from?
While I prefer the rivalmance with a mage I do it with every class. (And warrior thanks to lockopen mod is now going to be used more than rogue). 

I love swooping in to save Anders when he's surronded by foes. But all classes can do that. (Even if the warrior does it with more style.  ) 

Idk, it was a bit of a tangent based on stuff I've seen, but you brought up wondering why you disliked friendsmancing especially with a mage character. 

Rogue was my favorite class in DAO, it's been knocked down to least favorite in DA2. Makes me cry. I'd have an army of mages, warriors and rogues to throw at Anders if I hadn't caught the a case of the Shepards with my Hawke. As with my Shepard, I love the other classes, I love the other romances but Shepard will always be a kickass redhead Infiltrator who only has eyes for Garrus. Same as playing Hawke will always feel off if it's not Lenox. It's also a trend that my favorite NPCs tend to belong to the class I favour playing, it ends up being so matchy matchy against my will <_<

And yeah, pairing him up with someone who supports his cause isn't blind devotion. At least, not always and it doesn't have to be. I always picked what my character felt was right and did get rivalry points with him. I did question him in certain dialogues and all that. Ultimately the difference lies in the results and how Anders acts (toward you, mainly). 

Modifié par yukidama, 29 mars 2011 - 08:31 .

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...
Idk, it was a bit of a tangent based on stuff I've seen, but you brought up wondering why you disliked friendsmancing especially with a mage character.

Yeah but that's all personal preference. I wasn't trying to knock how anyone else played. 

Rogue was my favorite class in DAO, it's been knocked down to least favorite in DA2. Makes me cry. I'd have an army of mages, warriors and rogues to throw at Anders if I hadn't caught the a case of the Shepards with my Hawke. As with my Shepard, I love the other classes, I love the other romances but Shepard will always be a kickass redhead Infiltrator who only has eyes for Garrus. Same as playing Hawke will always feel off if it's not Lenox. It's also a trend that my favorite NPCs tend to belong to the class I favour playing, it ends up being so matchy matchy against my will <_<

LOL. I love Infiltrators but Adepts good lord I can't stop making adepts. Warp explosions = LOVE 

I can't romance anyone in ME2 though. Alas.  

Still my Hawkes tend to have eyes for Fenris/Anders (one or the other) I can't seem to force myself to do that romance with merrill. (Probably for the better since she's so badly bugged). And I can't stop myself from rivalring Anders. He's just too sexy when he's mad and I love being bros with Fenris. 

And yeah, pairing him up with someone who supports his cause isn't blind devotion. At least, not always and it doesn't have to be. I always picked what my character felt was right and did get rivalry points with him. I did question him in certain dialogues and all that. Ultimately the difference lies in the results and how Anders acts (toward you, mainly).

I agree just like pairing him with someone who doesn't support it isn't animalistic lust. Nor is wanting to see a different side of the character mean I hate him. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 mars 2011 - 08:41 .

[Trophonius]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Rivalmance felt more rewarding to me. I guess you could call it a preference for tempestuous relationships, but friendmancing Anders was too....accordant. As if you're agreeing with almost everything he does, without question, which could start to look like blind devotion. With rivalmance, you get the sense that Anders is fighting harder to control Justice rather than admitting defeat by allowing Justice to swallow him whole. No doubt, there's still love and understanding, but it doesn't always have to be the cooperative kind.

When my Hawkes agree with Anders, it's because they have the same views as he does, not because of blind devotion. Naturally, they wouldn't question following through with something they believed in before they even met Anders...

It just felt that way by Act 2 when he starts going on about you making him feel better about leading a revolution. Hawke can say, "together we'll win this fight", which only serves to encourage the things Anders does later on. One of the only few times you can call him out on it is by saying, "fine, but I won't forget that you blackmailed me to get it". As opposed to a rivalmance path where you can immediately detect his lies and say that you refuse to be anyone's pawn. Rival!Hawke isn't argumentative for the sake of being a jerk. He actually does these things to protect Anders by the way he says, "I don't want to support a mad cause that will get you hanged".

What I'm trying to say is that I think rivalmance is only slightly better due to the sheer knowledge that you were able to discourage him and rethink his approach.

Modifié par Trophonius, 29 mars 2011 - 09:06 .

[Kim Shepard]

Trophonius wrote...

It just felt that way by Act 2 when he starts going on about you making him feel better about leading a revolution. Hawke can say, "together we'll win this fight", which only serves to encourage the things Anders does later on. One of the only few times you can call him out on it is by saying, "fine, but I won't forget that you blackmailed me to get it". As opposed to a rivalmance path where you can immediately detect his lies and say that you refuse to be anyone's pawn. Rival!Hawke isn't argumentative for the sake of being a jerk. He actually does these things to protect Anders by the way he says, "I don't want to support a cause that will get you hanged".

Well, my friendmance Hawke does support his cause and wants to encourage him... If it was an option, Kaya would have been right there with him when he blew up the Chantry, probably with a lot more enthusiasm than Anders himself had. It's in-character for her that she wouldn't be angry with him for lying because he wanted to keep her from joining him, even though she would have liked to be invited. Whether going along with his plans without knowing what they are is seen as blind devotion or trust really depends on the kind of Hawke you're playing.

[Camilladilla]

Found new dialogue for Anders!

Okay... I'm sorry. I couldn't resist.

[Jean]

Camilladilla wrote...

Found new dialogue for Anders!

Okay... I'm sorry. I couldn't resist.

Oh seriously

[mellifera]

Camilladilla wrote...

Found new dialogue for Anders!

Okay... I'm sorry. I couldn't resist.

FFFFFF xD