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[Sialater]

True, but that short story... kinda belies that.

[aznsoisauce]

So...DA doesn't stand for "Dragon Age". It stands for DAMMIT ANDERS.

[Sialater]

*snorts water through her nose*

I really have to question why the Chantry, though. Why not something more strategic?

[Eydris Ivo]

Sialater wrote...

*snorts water through her nose*

I really have to question why the Chantry, though. Why not something more strategic?

If only he would have talked to us before hand...

DAMMIT ANDERS!

Modifié par Rheia1234, 15 mars 2011 - 04:06 .

[Sialater]

Rheia1234 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

*snorts water through her nose*

I really have to question why the Chantry, though. Why not something more strategic?

If only he would have talked to us before hand...

DAMMIT ANDERS!

Yeah, we'd have gladly pointed him to a place to make a bigger impact.  Pun intended. 

DAMMIT ANDERS!

[Eydris Ivo]

Sialater wrote...

Rheia1234 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

*snorts water through her nose*

I really have to question why the Chantry, though. Why not something more strategic?

If only he would have talked to us before hand...

DAMMIT ANDERS!

Yeah, we'd have gladly pointed him to a place to make a bigger impact.  Pun intended. 

DAMMIT ANDERS!

He should have gotten a 'balm' for that....

[EnchantedEyes1]

Valentia X wrote...

I think that at the point where you can kill Anders, he and Justice are so resolutely combined that if Anders's dies and the spirit leaves his body, Justice is pulled out as well. It's not two souls sharing a set of limbs, they've merged.


Did anyone else sit back and think about how it was possible to save Connor in DA:O? Because when Anders started really getting depressed, I had a few moments that made me wish I could write my cousin in Denerim and ask for advice.

I think it would be because in Connor's case, the demon approached him in the fade (according to Jowan) and that is the only reason you could go into the fade and fight the demon. IIRC if you accept a deal with the demon outside the fade, you don't have that option. Since Justice and Anders were conversing in Amaranthine, it's likely the agreement was reached outside the fade. And as someone mentioned before, Anders does say they are one and probably too late 

[Luridel]

aznsoisauce wrote...

So...DA doesn't stand for "Dragon Age". It stands for DAMMIT ANDERS.

Fffffffffff.

[syllogi]

Sialater wrote...

*snorts water through her nose*

I really have to question why the Chantry, though. Why not something more strategic?

Well, I think it was very deliberate, both to force the Chantry into declaring war, and as a symbolic gesture, because it is the Chantry's teachings that have bound mages in this manner.  A world without the Chantry would, hypothetically, be a world without oppression of mages.

Sigh.  It is a beautiful dream, the idea that mages could be free to live with their families, and love, and live normal lives.  It's a shame that it had to lead to this.

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Sialater wrote...

*snorts water through her nose*

I really have to question why the Chantry, though. Why not something more strategic?

Well, I think it was very deliberate, both to force the Chantry into declaring war, and as a symbolic gesture, because it is the Chantry's teachings that have bound mages in this manner.  A world without the Chantry would, hypothetically, be a world without oppression of mages.

Sigh.  It is a beautiful dream, the idea that mages could be free to live with their families, and love, and live normal lives.  It's a shame that it had to lead to this.

DAMMIT ANDERS.

[EnchantedEyes1]

Sialater wrote...

*snorts water through her nose*

I really have to question why the Chantry, though. Why not something more strategic?

I think it is very strategic and shows this is about freedom for mages, not just vengeance again their direct oppressors. In a weird and perhaps twisted way, this is a key element that made me spare him. Had he just targeted the templars, I don't know that I would have. Hard to explain for me on so little sleep though.

[tallon1982]

I'm still waiting to the reveal of Andraste being a mage and that the Chantry we know changed history to oppress mages in because of mage envy. Anders has started his own Exalted March now when you think about it.

[EnchantedEyes1]

tallon1982 wrote...

I'm still waiting to the reveal of Andraste being a mage and that the Chantry we know changed history to oppress mages in because of mage envy. Anders has started his own Exalted March now when you think about it.

Yes, that would be something. I did find the parallels between Andraste and Anders interesting, to say the least. It would add another twist if it comes to light that the Chantry oppressed mages when their liberator was a mage herself.

[aznsoisauce]

tallon1982 wrote...

I'm still waiting to the reveal of Andraste being a mage and that the Chantry we know changed history to oppress mages in because of mage envy. Anders has started his own Exalted March now when you think about it.

I'm going to start saying that the name `Anders' is the male form of Andraste. 

[LobselVith8]

I agree, EnchantedEyes. Anders gambit paid off in the end. He emancipated his people.

[Sarah1281]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I agree, EnchantedEyes. Anders gambit paid off in the end. He emancipated his people.

Did he? He inspired them to rebel but nothing's been settled by the time Cassandra goes looking for Varric. He might have just sparked a rebellion that will get ultimately crushed and only make things worse for all mages everywhere. It's far too soon to be talking about the eventual outcome of his actions.

[zg1685]

umm.. hey everyone.

was there any explanation as to why anders is a grey warden and has deep roads maps?

i transfered my awakening save and i didnt recruit him..

did bioware hand wave this?

[tallon1982]

Well they are looking for Hawke to help in the matter and I wouldn't doubt that by the time they do find Hawke, if at all, we'll have the possibility of the warden's bastard with Morrigan being old enough to determine the fate of the world. I think that's going to be how this all ends. The choices we make will determine what the kiddo does and Anders just lit the way. I sort of got the feeling that when I took Anders to release Flemeth she kind of eyed him as if she knew what was going on. Change indeed...

I think that Andraste was a mage herself. I mean didn't she come from Tevinter?

[Sarah1281]

Well they are looking for Hawke to help in the matter and I wouldn't doubt that by the time they do find Hawke, if at all, we'll have the possibility of the warden's bastard with Morrigan being old enough to determine the fate of the world.

By the third act, the kid would be six. I don't know how long it's been since then (maybe a few years?) but I can't see the OGB being much use before at least sixteen.

I think that Andraste was a mage herself. I mean didn't she come from Tevinter?

No, she came from Ferelden and attempted to bring down the Tevinter. Not that her place of birth or where she lived really has anything to do with if she's a mage.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 15 mars 2011 - 05:25 .

[LobselVith8]

Anders joined another group of Wardens if you didn't recruit him in Awakening, although how a Templar got into the Wardens with my Circle of Magi Hero of Ferelden is something I can't explain (or for anyone else who isn't a fan of the Templars).

[Sarah1281]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Anders joined another group of Wardens if you didn't recruit him in Awakening, although how a Templar got into the Wardens with my Circle of Magi Hero of Ferelden is something I can't explain (or for anyone else who isn't a fan of the Templars).

This probably happened while you were off doing something else and not actually present at Amaranthine. The DLC involve you being gone quite a bit and King Alistair in DA2 also references you being away and then heading to Denerim. If you're not personally present, perhaps they just don't ask you about every potential recruit.

[LobselVith8]

If the Circles breaking free was an issue that would lead to an inevitable downfall of mages, I doubt Cassandra would want Hawke's help to talk the mages down. There's also the consideration that the Templars also defected the Chantry (based on Varric's dialogue), so who will crush the mages when the Chantry lost the their military division?

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Anders joined another group of Wardens if you didn't recruit him in Awakening, although how a Templar got into the Wardens with my Circle of Magi Hero of Ferelden is something I can't explain (or for anyone else who isn't a fan of the Templars).

This probably happened while you were off doing something else and not actually present at Amaranthine. The DLC involve you being gone quite a bit and King Alistair in DA2 also references you being away and then heading to Denerim. If you're not personally present, perhaps they just don't ask you about every potential recruit.

In the only Keep conversation with Anders he asks you what you'll do if you didn't have to be a warden. Most of your replies are about traveling, going back to court, you don't have to do anything, and only one says theres no leaving.  It was set up pretty well for a new commander to be there I guess. Which sucks because I'd have made Nate Warden Commander darnit!

[Sialater]

Moira was busy... probably helping Zevran whittle down the Crows.

[Sarah1281]

LobselVith8 wrote...

If the Circles breaking free was an issue that would lead to an inevitable downfall of mages, I doubt Cassandra would want Hawke's help to talk the mages down. There's also the consideration that the Templars also defected the Chantry (based on Varric's dialogue), so who will crush the mages when the Chantry lost the their military division?

How should Cassandra know what will happen in the future? It's implied that the mage issue hasn't been settled and we do know that war is brewing. This might be between other nations but it has to somehow involve the mages or else why in the world would they need the Champion of Kirkwall to solve it? (Although I guess you could wonder why they would need the Hero of Ferelden to, either)

If the mages manage to be completely free and the threat to them by the Chantry or anyone else is gone then the story of how the revolution started would be immaterial. I'm not saying that this can't end with Anders' actions leading to freedom for mages, just that at the point that DA2 ended and that DA3 may start up shortly after, it hasn't happened. Freedom for mages isn't a given, it's a theory.