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[Kim Shepard]

yukidama wrote...

Re: class preferences: I don't really have one. I just pick my character first and let the chips fall where they may around them. It usually ends up that the class I like playing the most ends up being the class of my favorite party member, so there's always some overlap (aside from like, Alistair). For Anders? I don't really have a preference. I like playing mages so I played a mage, but I like non-magic classes just as fine. It has more to do with the personality of the character I am playing than their weapon of choice. Like, I wouldn't pair all my hypothetical mages with Anders just because they're mages (nor all my hypothetical warriors or hypothetical rogues, etc). Character dynamic is more important to me, so I'm just like "Ehhhh, whatever." when people start with the whole "X BELONGS WITH Y BECAUSE IT IS BETTER", like the whole "only renegades should be with Garrus" or "only Couslands belong with Alistair" BS from the before times xD

I agree with this. I pair characters together based on personality. Kaya's class (mage) was decided when I created her original Warden counterpart, Kaia, before I knew about Anders and Justice.

People used to say "only Renegades should be with Garrus"? o_o Well, ignoring the fact that full Renegades don't seem to like aliens all that much, one of the great things about Garrus is that he works well with Shepards of many different personality types. My FemShep who romances him is probably Renegon. I can't keep track anymore.

[Kawamura]

Miri1984 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Magaloo wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
Uh-oh. I may have just fallen in love with you a little. Arcade is the best.

Yeah. Trust me, it would be great if I got the good parts. I only got the bad parts: the insufferable know-it-all thing, the switching languages to prove a point thing, the self pity thing and the snarky-but-not-funny thing.

Oh, well. Make do with my talents: declension, maths and dick jokes.

What's not to love?

Since the idea of anyone finding me more than an insufferable bore is weird, I'm going to just leave this.

Ok, Kawamura, you may have just made me fall in love with you too. Monty Python links, Terry Pratchett signatures, declension and maths? Not to mention dick jokes.... You've pretty much pushed all my buttons.

(Don't worry, I'm happily married with two kids and almost certainly living on the other side of the world from you. As far as stalkers go, I'm pretty safe).

D:

what am I doing wrong oh god.

 I have a "wife" already. Or, rather, we're both "The Wife". No romance. Just us being incredible bros who fret about each other. I'm working on the wooing 

I've got a math joke, too. It's vector calculus based and it's possibly my favourite joke in the whole world:

What do you get if you take the cross product of two mountain climbers?






You can't.



... they're scalars.

[mellifera]

Kawamura wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

LOL See, I could hear Arcade saying all of that!

As for mage v. non-mage...

I'm one of the few fic writers who writes Anders with a non-mage Warden and I've become addicted to the dynamic from that. I was actually afraid that DA2, with its emphasis on MAGEMAGEMAGE that it would be difficult to romance him as a warrior or rogue. Fortunately (or unfortunately, if you're one of the THREE mages I have languishing in Lothering), it was not an issue at all. I still love the dynamic of a warrior and a mage, especially since my particular warrior is always in the thick of things and depends on Anders to keep her from getting in over her head. Deathwise.

And I've said it before, but Bethany really helps me roleplay a Hawke who is fiercely protective of the ones she loves and who honestly believes that mages that are shown kindness are less likely to turn to abominations. It's why, even though she's not irrational, she thinks the Circle doesn't work as is because mages are imprisoned rather than...gathered? She wouldn't be so opposed to the system if it was more like a university or commune, where mages could have their families with them and live relatively normal lives. 

Ultimately, though, I think that playing a mage that romances Anders in this game would feel too on the nose. Also, I really take Anders' insistence that Hawke could have a normal life without him. A non-mage, I think, would have more options, so taking that leap with him in the end seems like a sacrifice of the power Hawke held as Champion and the things she could have had if she'd just let him fall on his own.  

D: No, because Arcade is neato.

I rather like Hawke and his brother. I imagine playing a mage knocking stylish boots with Anders does feel a bit spot on, but it's -- nice. It's nice to have Hawke as a foil (especially snarky Hawke). It's nice to play the one that managed to get away.

And it's nice to set **** on fire with your mind. And to have Meredith look at you and go "I'll overlook your use of magic. For now."

Yeah, I must say a big deciding factor to stick with mage was Carver. I did debate re-rolling my dude as a warrior but then I was like..... I wanna be the brothers Hawke. Carver is a jerk, but he's *my* jerk xD

Also, butt lightning.

Though it is a bit facepalm inducing when people like Cullen are "MAGES AREN'T NORMAL LIKE YOU OR ME" and Hawke is just standing there in his dress with his magic staff tied to his back being all "YEAH BUT SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE MAGES, DUDE."

[Halinu]

Kawamura wrote...

Holeeee mary mother of god, that's right. He did. As soon as you said it, I heard his voice and went **** YOU'RE RIGHT.

Gosh. I thought I had heard him before.

I know, right?  When I played DA:O, I was like "WHERE ARE YOU FROM OH GOD THIS IS GOING TO KILL ME" when I met Cullen in the Mage Origin story.  I later realised he was in a ton of my favourite video games!  It's so bizarre.  I kind of have a huge crush on his voice.  I'm a voice person.  That's one of the reasons Kaiden was so appealing in ME because he had Carth's voice! D:


On the topic of classes and Anders, personally, I love being a magic-user in most games.  My canon is a benevolent/slightly humourous Mage who fell hard for Anders.  Seeing as she was surrounded by mages her whole life, it made a lot of sense and she understood where he was coming from, even if she didn't agree with his extremist attitudes.

Strangely... I'm doing a Rogue playthrough right now and seeing as Anders is the only healer (and I love him), he's in my party all the time.  I'm trying to take a very RP approach to this playthrough and I've noticed as soon as an enemy goes for Anders, I rush over to him and am all "BACK OFF GET YOUR OWN SANDWICH" and destroy anything attacking him.  In doing this, I've kind of realised my Rogue has developed a bit of a thing about protecting him and finds herself more interested in him. (I think it helps that she just had her heart smushed by Fenris.)

[Kawamura]

yukidama wrote...


Yeah, I must say a big deciding factor to stick with mage was Carver. I did debate re-rolling my dude as a warrior but then I was like..... I wanna be the brothers Hawke. Carver is a jerk, but he's *my* jerk xD

Also, butt lightning.

Though it is a bit facepalm inducing when people like Cullen are "MAGES AREN'T NORMAL LIKE YOU OR ME" and Hawke is just standing there in his dress with his magic staff tied to his back being all "YEAH BUT SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE MAGES, DUDE."

Cullen: Aww, isn't Hawke so sweet? His best friends are mages so he cosplays as them. How cute. Deranged. But cute.

Also, being the brothers Hawke is so important to me. I considered doing a sisters run, but I just don't get the joy as I did with "My brother has a point. It's on the top of his head, but it's there" and all their combined snipping at each other.

They try to bond. They really do. Then they repulse each other and possibly Hawke gives him a noogie.

Never forget butt lightening. And man dresses. Warriors don't get to walk around with their  twig and berries hanging free, they don't.

Modifié par Kawamura, 30 mars 2011 - 02:33 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Kawamura wrote...

Mages are best.

With everything. They're sorta like sriracha.

My husband puts that on everything.

[Kawamura]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Mages are best.

With everything. They're sorta like sriracha.

My husband puts that on everything.

That's what you're supposed to do.

I've yet to try it on coffee. But, considering my diet, it's only a matter of time. Mmm. Seven-pm cup of coffee.

Modifié par Kawamura, 30 mars 2011 - 02:33 .

[SurelyForth]

yukidama wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

D: No, because Arcade is neato.

I rather like Hawke and his brother. I imagine playing a mage knocking stylish boots with Anders does feel a bit spot on, but it's -- nice. It's nice to have Hawke as a foil (especially snarky Hawke). It's nice to play the one that managed to get away.

And it's nice to set **** on fire with your mind. And to have Meredith look at you and go "I'll overlook your use of magic. For now."

Yeah, I must say a big deciding factor to stick with mage was Carver. I did debate re-rolling my dude as a warrior but then I was like..... I wanna be the brothers Hawke. Carver is a jerk, but he's *my* jerk xD

Also, butt lightning.

Though it is a bit facepalm inducing when people like Cullen are "MAGES AREN'T NORMAL LIKE YOU OR ME" and Hawke is just standing there in his dress with his magic staff tied to his back being all "YEAH BUT SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE MAGES, DUDE."

The brother thing is where I fail, because I have the Most Awesome Brother and I just haven't been able to figure out a dynamic with Carver that would feel *right* to me. Meanwhile, Bethany hits every single one of my big-sisterly buttons.

[Miri1984]

 @Kawamura  My husband is a statistician, so most of the maths related jokes I get have to do with sample sizes. Some of them are... less than funny. 

At least he isn't an actuary. Or an accountant like my brother-in-law. 

ON TOPIC: MOAR ANDERS:



...Anders doesn't get maths related jokes. He's more of a SCRUBS man.

and:



Shy Anders gets me every time, because of all the things I thought Bioware would do to him, making him shy just ISN'T one of them. But they MANAGED it. I am impressed.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Kim Shepard wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Re: class preferences: I don't really have one. I just pick my character first and let the chips fall where they may around them. It usually ends up that the class I like playing the most ends up being the class of my favorite party member, so there's always some overlap (aside from like, Alistair). For Anders? I don't really have a preference. I like playing mages so I played a mage, but I like non-magic classes just as fine. It has more to do with the personality of the character I am playing than their weapon of choice. Like, I wouldn't pair all my hypothetical mages with Anders just because they're mages (nor all my hypothetical warriors or hypothetical rogues, etc). Character dynamic is more important to me, so I'm just like "Ehhhh, whatever." when people start with the whole "X BELONGS WITH Y BECAUSE IT IS BETTER", like the whole "only renegades should be with Garrus" or "only Couslands belong with Alistair" BS from the before times xD

I agree with this. I pair characters together based on personality. Kaya's class (mage) was decided when I created her original Warden counterpart, Kaia, before I knew about Anders and Justice.

People used to say "only Renegades should be with Garrus"? o_o Well, ignoring the fact that full Renegades don't seem to like aliens all that much, one of the great things about Garrus is that he works well with Shepards of many different personality types. My FemShep who romances him is probably Renegon. I can't keep track anymore.

My paragon always seemed to suit Garrus fine. I can't imagine doing his personal mission without being a calm and reasonable voice.

[Halinu]

leggywillow wrote...
Which is so weird for me, because Disciple is the one video game character I just want to shove down a flight of stairs.  Never liked him.  The game was better for having his character in it, though, which is the important thing.  Atton snarking at him out of jealousy was the best thing ever.

I totally agree.  I didn't really care for the Disciple (just loved his voice!) but having him there and having Atton see him as a direct threat was just awesome.  I was so sad they cut out so much of that game, including their confrontation at the end.

www.youtube.com/watch

"I already lost what mattered to me."


AGGGHHHH.  I can't wait to hear the banter between Fenris and Anders! oAo

[Kawamura]

I kinda wanted to be an actuary. But then I realized, I hate formal stats. Stats you use in physics and gambling (because, really, that's what physicists use math for, more physics and gambling), that's interesting. And thinking of people dying is interesting. But formal? Oh, god, kill me.

And I don't blame Anders for being shy. He's been out of the game for a few years, he's got this thing in his head, he has a hero crush on Hawke. I'm surprised the man managed to get his lampost up.

[Magaloo]

SurelyForth wrote...

The brother thing is where I fail, because I have the Most Awesome Brother and I just haven't been able to figure out a dynamic with Carver that would feel *right* to me. Meanwhile, Bethany hits every single one of my big-sisterly buttons.

I am the big sister of 3 girls and 1 boy.  I am the closest to my brother even if we have a relationship very similar than the one with Carver.  We pick on each other, we insult each other... but we never cross the line that we both know is there and we have each other's back.

Bethany never did it for me which is a big reason why I like to play mage.  She is nice and sweet... and nice and sweet...  just find her bland.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

yukidama wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

LOL See, I could hear Arcade saying all of that!

As for mage v. non-mage...

I'm one of the few fic writers who writes Anders with a non-mage Warden and I've become addicted to the dynamic from that. I was actually afraid that DA2, with its emphasis on MAGEMAGEMAGE that it would be difficult to romance him as a warrior or rogue. Fortunately (or unfortunately, if you're one of the THREE mages I have languishing in Lothering), it was not an issue at all. I still love the dynamic of a warrior and a mage, especially since my particular warrior is always in the thick of things and depends on Anders to keep her from getting in over her head. Deathwise.

And I've said it before, but Bethany really helps me roleplay a Hawke who is fiercely protective of the ones she loves and who honestly believes that mages that are shown kindness are less likely to turn to abominations. It's why, even though she's not irrational, she thinks the Circle doesn't work as is because mages are imprisoned rather than...gathered? She wouldn't be so opposed to the system if it was more like a university or commune, where mages could have their families with them and live relatively normal lives. 

Ultimately, though, I think that playing a mage that romances Anders in this game would feel too on the nose. Also, I really take Anders' insistence that Hawke could have a normal life without him. A non-mage, I think, would have more options, so taking that leap with him in the end seems like a sacrifice of the power Hawke held as Champion and the things she could have had if she'd just let him fall on his own.  

D: No, because Arcade is neato.

I rather like Hawke and his brother. I imagine playing a mage knocking stylish boots with Anders does feel a bit spot on, but it's -- nice. It's nice to have Hawke as a foil (especially snarky Hawke). It's nice to play the one that managed to get away.

And it's nice to set **** on fire with your mind. And to have Meredith look at you and go "I'll overlook your use of magic. For now."

Yeah, I must say a big deciding factor to stick with mage was Carver. I did debate re-rolling my dude as a warrior but then I was like..... I wanna be the brothers Hawke. Carver is a jerk, but he's *my* jerk xD

Also, butt lightning.

Though it is a bit facepalm inducing when people like Cullen are "MAGES AREN'T NORMAL LIKE YOU OR ME" and Hawke is just standing there in his dress with his magic staff tied to his back being all "YEAH BUT SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE MAGES, DUDE."

Yeah, I get grief for pointing out the mage choice doesn't seem to differ that much than the other classes. Hey, face it, Bioware either didn't have time(most likely) or got sloppy(also likely) about the magic stuff. There is no elaborate explanation on why mage Hawke is allowed freedoms as an apostate in a city that severly persecutes mages.

[Kawamura]

SurelyForth wrote...
The brother thing is where I fail, because I have the Most Awesome Brother and I just haven't been able to figure out a dynamic with Carver that would feel *right* to me. Meanwhile, Bethany hits every single one of my big-sisterly buttons.

Yeah. See, it was easy for me 'cause I've got it.

I'm the child that has a lot of expected of me and I've done better so far. I've lived alone (though I had to come back, damned money), I have a degree from a very good university, I work research at a very good university (for no money, mind), I take care of my mother and I'm trying to get into med school.

My brother is a mama's boy who hangs out at home and is dicking around as a part time student with online community college classes in women's health because he doesn't sign up on time for classes. We fight all the time. We keep snarking until one of us blows up at each other.

It was easy to do Hawke and Carver. and satisfying because Carver stuck up for me! Way too easy.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Miri1984 wrote...
Shy Anders gets me every time, because of all the things I thought Bioware would do to him, making him shy just ISN'T one of them. But they MANAGED it. I am impressed.

That didn't strike me as shy. That seemed to me like the very last final hesitation before pulling out all the stops. Then: seduction mode. Or in other words, "you just passed the point of no return, let me express my gratitude."

Or something.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 30 mars 2011 - 02:47 .

[mellifera]

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

D: No, because Arcade is neato.

I rather like Hawke and his brother. I imagine playing a mage knocking stylish boots with Anders does feel a bit spot on, but it's -- nice. It's nice to have Hawke as a foil (especially snarky Hawke). It's nice to play the one that managed to get away.

And it's nice to set **** on fire with your mind. And to have Meredith look at you and go "I'll overlook your use of magic. For now."

Yeah, I must say a big deciding factor to stick with mage was Carver. I did debate re-rolling my dude as a warrior but then I was like..... I wanna be the brothers Hawke. Carver is a jerk, but he's *my* jerk xD

Also, butt lightning.

Though it is a bit facepalm inducing when people like Cullen are "MAGES AREN'T NORMAL LIKE YOU OR ME" and Hawke is just standing there in his dress with his magic staff tied to his back being all "YEAH BUT SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE MAGES, DUDE."

The brother thing is where I fail, because I have the Most Awesome Brother and I just haven't been able to figure out a dynamic with Carver that would feel *right* to me. Meanwhile, Bethany hits every single one of my big-sisterly buttons.

I wasn't really drawing upon any sibling dynamic IRL for inspiration or anything. My little brother and I don't have a relationship like Hawke and Carver's, so I was really using a lot of what the game gives you. They give you the opportunity to butt heads with him a lot, yet there are also a lot of sweet moments where, as Hawke plays protector to Bethany, Carver kind of does the same for you. Then again, I'm not really super keen on playing the protector/defender role, only because I don't necessarily like having people dependant on me (or feeling like they rely on me). Too much pressure, though it does have its charms when I can step away and be like "Well, I'm glad that's not MY life."

Which is basically what I feel with Hawke in general, rofl. Hawke's life kinda blows.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Magaloo wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

The brother thing is where I fail, because I have the Most Awesome Brother and I just haven't been able to figure out a dynamic with Carver that would feel *right* to me. Meanwhile, Bethany hits every single one of my big-sisterly buttons.

I am the big sister of 3 girls and 1 boy.  I am the closest to my brother even if we have a relationship very similar than the one with Carver.  We pick on each other, we insult each other... but we never cross the line that we both know is there and we have each other's back.

Bethany never did it for me which is a big reason why I like to play mage.  She is nice and sweet... and nice and sweet...  just find her bland.

Same reason I like Carver. He's more of a challenge to get on his good side but the fact he's an ass makes him the far more interesting of the two.

[Jean]

I'm an only child, so I just went with it.
So far I do prefer the Carver/Hawke dynamic more.

I wonder if Anders has any siblings floating around out there.

Modifié par Batteries, 30 mars 2011 - 02:51 .

[LT123]

Carver hasn't lived past the Deep Roads for me yet but I enjoyed getting to argue with him. Bethany is sweet, but fighting with Carver is more interesting.

On an unrelated note, rival Anders reading his manifesto to Hawke is kind of cute. He wasn't happy when she told him to get out of the hovel and get some sun, though.

[Magaloo]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...
Shy Anders gets me every time, because of all the things I thought Bioware would do to him, making him shy just ISN'T one of them. But they MANAGED it. I am impressed.

That didn't strike me as shy. That seemed to me like the very last final hesitation before pulling out all the stops. Then: seduction mode. Or in other words, "you just passed the point of no return, let me express my gratitude."

Or something.

Especially when you remember the smile that follows in the next frame

[Kim Shepard]

Hawke's relationship with Carver is a lot like most of the brothers/sisters I know. A bit better, actually... but it was amazing how real the family interaction was.

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

People used to say "only Renegades should be with Garrus"? o_o Well, ignoring the fact that full Renegades don't seem to like aliens all that much, one of the great things about Garrus is that he works well with Shepards of many different personality types. My FemShep who romances him is probably Renegon. I can't keep track anymore.

My paragon always seemed to suit Garrus fine. I can't imagine doing his personal mission without being a calm and reasonable voice.

And this is where personal preference comes in. All of my Shepards are big supporters of revenge, so I've never played the Paragon route with Garrus. But both of them work, like friendmance/rivalmance. It's just the difference of what kind of relationship the player wants them to have.

[Siduri]

Hey, I have a song for the Anders playlist.

Thomas Dolby, "I Scare Myself"

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Magaloo wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

That didn't strike me as shy. That seemed to me like the very last final hesitation before pulling out all the stops. Then: seduction mode. Or in other words, "you just passed the point of no return, let me express my gratitude."

Or something.

Especially when you remember the smile that follows in the next frame

Indeed.

Anders is my favorite kind of crazy person idk. Dammit Bioware.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 30 mars 2011 - 03:00 .

[Halinu]

Another reason why I enjoy playing Mage so much is having Carver around.  While he's not my favourite character, I just love his magehate sooooo much.  I can just see him getting all up in Anders's face about his feelings for Hawke and generally being pissed about the whole thing.  And the fact that he joined the Templars in my canon is just such delicious angst fodder that I can't have it any other way.