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[tallon1982]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well they are looking for Hawke to help in the matter and I wouldn't doubt that by the time they do find Hawke, if at all, we'll have the possibility of the warden's bastard with Morrigan being old enough to determine the fate of the world.

By the third act, the kid would be six. I don't know how long it's been since then (maybe a few years?) but I can't see the OGB being much use before at least sixteen.

I think that Andraste was a mage herself. I mean didn't she come from Tevinter?

No, she came from Ferelden and attempted to bring down the Tevinter. Not that her place of birth or where she lived really has anything to do with if she's a mage.

DA wiki says this:

Andraste was an escaped slave from the Tevinter Imperium who rose to power after the First Blight had ended and Dumat was slain. She fought against the Imperium, which had been significantly weakened by the First Blight. As part of the Exalted Marches,
she conquered most of the south while fighting to destroy the
magisters, whom she blamed for the Blight. The people she led in her
campaign were the barbaric ancestors of the Fereldans.

[maselphie]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I agree, EnchantedEyes. Anders gambit paid off in the end. He emancipated his people.

Well, he certainly put into action their mass slaughtering. How many died before the Champion put a stop to it? The children were probably the first to go.

[LobselVith8]

It's a given that they broke free from the Chantry. Whether they stay that way is another issue, but the revolution began with Anders. His actions changed everything for mages, forever.

I'm not saying it's impossible they'll lose, but I doubt Cassandra would bother questioning Varric if the Chantry's chances of success were certain, especially since they also lost their Templars. It doesn't seem like Varric thinks they'll get the Circles back. Cassandra also explains she wants the Champion to talk the mages down from having broken free from the Chantry because he was there at the beginning (at least for an apostate Hawke who sided with the Circle of Kirkwall).

[LobselVith8]

Maselphie, Anders wanted to end the rapes, torture, tranquility that mage nothing more than a "templar puppet," and the deaths of mages. He wanted to put an end to slavery that's been going on for nearly a millennia. How many would have continued to suffer under the Chantry until Anders started a revolution?

[leggywillow]

SurelyForth wrote...

I'm on my second playthrough and Hawke has had sex with Isabela and Fenris. She told Isabela it was for fun (and didn't flirt with her in the follow-up) and, of course, Fenris left. When Anders came over for loving, he stopped to ask about Fenris and my Hawke responded with "She meant nothing to me!" which made me laugh waaaaaay too hard. And she thought Aveline was bad at relationships!

::snickers:: I got that too with my Hussy Hawke.  She slept with Isabela, then Fenris, then Anders, and apparently started getting the first two mixed up.

Hawke: She meant nothing to me!
Anders: Who's "she"?  I was talking about Fenris!
Hawke: Um... he meant nothing to me either!
Anders: ::waits::
Hawke: Okay, okay... I might have slept with Isabela.  Maybe.  Once. 
Anders: ::eyebrow raise::
Hawke: Or twice.
Anders: <_<
Hawke: Five times?

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Also, DA2 is the only game since Baldur's Gate where I've picked it right back up immediately upon finishing it to play through it again.  I love this game.  And I think Anders may have made me see why you love your well-intentioned extremists so [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Me too!  The second the credits started rolling, I started a new game.  Aaaaand then another one after that.    And another one right after I finish this one, too.  It will be the first game where I replay the same character to get things "just right", although it might be a while before I return to Kitty Hawke.

Modifié par leggywillow, 15 mars 2011 - 05:59 .

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If the Circles breaking free was an issue that would lead to an inevitable downfall of mages, I doubt Cassandra would want Hawke's help to talk the mages down. There's also the consideration that the Templars also defected the Chantry (based on Varric's dialogue), so who will crush the mages when the Chantry lost the their military division?

How should Cassandra know what will happen in the future? It's implied that the mage issue hasn't been settled and we do know that war is brewing. This might be between other nations but it has to somehow involve the mages or else why in the world would they need the Champion of Kirkwall to solve it? (Although I guess you could wonder why they would need the Hero of Ferelden to, either)

If the mages manage to be completely free and the threat to them by the Chantry or anyone else is gone then the story of how the revolution started would be immaterial. I'm not saying that this can't end with Anders' actions leading to freedom for mages, just that at the point that DA2 ended and that DA3 may start up shortly after, it hasn't happened. Freedom for mages isn't a given, it's a theory.

One word. Morrigan. In the end if you didn't do the DR in Origins she ended up in Orlais at the right hand of Celene. If you did, she was crossing the Frostbacks in that direction.  Ok two words, Flemeth too. Since you as hawke apparently carried her with you in preparation for the warden killing her (omg how wierd was that by the way??)

Also, the bartender in the Hanged Man tells you that the divine in Orlais is getting really  old and hasn't picked a successor yet, and Alistair is having it appears the beginnings or trouble with Orlais.

So...you have an old Divine in Orlais with no successor, Morrigan last seen headed that way pregnant or not, Mages that are much less oppressed and rising up everywhere AND an old God baby that's coming along. Never mind the fact that Sandal has a little creepy speech about the sky opening and the old magic coming back...I'll try and get it on video next time I play but it's pretty creepy.

[maselphie]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Maselphie, Anders wanted to end the rapes, torture, tranquility that mage nothing more than a "templar puppet," and the deaths of mages. He wanted to put an end to slavery that's been going on for nearly a millennia. How many would have continued to suffer under the Chantry until Anders started a revolution?

Saying a templar will torture, rape you and wipe your mind is no better than saying a mage will become an abomination and kill your family. They might and some may have, but it is not true of all of them. Alistair was a Templar, lest we forget. The right of anullment was just "putting an end to what's being going on" too. How many would have continued to suffer if they hadn't decided to kill all mages?

[Souris]

yukidama wrote...

That being said, I would kick both Fenris and Anders to the curb for Varric, who is not only a sweetheart but is also, you know, sane.

THIS. THIS SO MUCH. I love Varric Wtb Dorfy character option.

[Sarah1281]

@tallon1982: What's the source of that information (other than the DA wiki that can be edited by anyone and has in the past claimed a number of absurd things including that if Harrowmont was king with golems, he made Bhelen a golem)? This is a codex:

As well, Denerim was the birthplace of Andraste. One of them, anyway, as several other sites claim to have been the prophet's early home, including Jader, in Orlais. The Chantry takes no stance on which site's claim is valid, but it is well known that Andraste was Fereldan by birth. When visiting the pilgrimage site in Denerim, it is inadvisable to mention Jader at all. -- --From In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of A Chantry Scholar, by Brother Genitivi

It's a given that they broke free from the Chantry. Whether they stay that way is another issue, but the revolution began with Anders. His actions changed everything for mages, forever.

I'm not saying it's impossible they'll lose, but I doubt Cassandra would bother questioning Varric if the Chantry's chances of success were certain, especially since they also lost their Templars. It doesn't seem like Varric thinks they'll get the Circles back. Cassandra also explains she wants the Champion to talk the mages down from having broken free from the Chantry because he was there at the beginning (at least for an apostate Hawke who sided with the Circle of Kirkwall).

If Anders incites a revolution and then they lose and things go back to the way they were before (but with more templar oversight) then that's not changing anything forever. It's a temporary change.

It is FAR too early to say that Anders freed the mages. If they win, you can say that. You can speculate that they will win. But they have not, at this point, won. It may go either way at this piont hence Cassandra's concern or she might even think that the mages will win but it still hasn't happened yet.

One word. Morrigan. In the end if you didn't do the DR in Origins she ended up in Orlais at the right hand of Celene. If you did, she was crossing the Frostbacks in that direction. Ok two words, Flemeth too. Since you as hawke apparently carried her with you in preparation for the warden killing her (omg how wierd was that by the way??)

How common knowledge would that be, though? Leliana might or might not be aware but Cassandra certainly seemed to have no clue.

Alistair was a Templar, lest we forget.

And Thrask. And Keran. Even Cullen, really, once he calms down from his post-torture frenzy in DA2.

[Addai]

panamakira wrote...
No yeah I think everybody killing Anders is just making everything worse. Justice is capable of staying in the world with a dead body. Hence if you kill Anders, Justice is not dead. Has free run of killing whoever he wants. Anders was trying really hard to control him, and although he lost it at the end and claims Justice didn't make him blow up the chantry, Justice is obviously in control at this point. Scary. You'll have to burn the body or something so he can't use it.

I'll take my chance with a possessed alive Anders. I wonder if Lady Hawke can still attempt to talk some sense into him? I doubt it. I really want a DLC so I can kill Justice. Then at least if we kill Anders we know his body is not running around commiting acts of "justice".

Is that true?  I thought spirits could be forced into corpses by mages, but not sure about the idea of a Justice taking a dead body on his own.  Anders says he needs a willing human host in order to stay in the world, that's why he wanted to help him in the first place.  I guess he could possess a cat if he wanted to.  lol

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

One word. Morrigan. In the end if you didn't do the DR in Origins she ended up in Orlais at the right hand of Celene. If you did, she was crossing the Frostbacks in that direction. Ok two words, Flemeth too. Since you as hawke apparently carried her with you in preparation for the warden killing her (omg how wierd was that by the way??)

How common knowledge would that be, though? Leliana might or might not be aware but Cassandra certainly seemed to have no clue.

Alistair was a Templar, lest we forget.

And Thrask. And Keran. Even Cullen, really, once he calms down from his post-torture frenzy in DA2.

How common knowledge would...Morrigan being in Orlais be? I imagine pretty common. Leliana was apparently  back in Orlais working with the chantry, she would have recognized her.

And Sandal seems to have a clue...



(borrowed from Yuki)

Also Alistair never took his vows, he had training and education but never actually became a templar. He was conscripted before that could happen.

[EnchantedEyes1]

Addai67 wrote...

panamakira wrote...
No yeah I think everybody killing Anders is just making everything worse. Justice is capable of staying in the world with a dead body. Hence if you kill Anders, Justice is not dead. Has free run of killing whoever he wants. Anders was trying really hard to control him, and although he lost it at the end and claims Justice didn't make him blow up the chantry, Justice is obviously in control at this point. Scary. You'll have to burn the body or something so he can't use it.

I'll take my chance with a possessed alive Anders. I wonder if Lady Hawke can still attempt to talk some sense into him? I doubt it. I really want a DLC so I can kill Justice. Then at least if we kill Anders we know his body is not running around commiting acts of "justice".

Is that true?  I thought spirits could be forced into corpses by mages, but not sure about the idea of a Justice taking a dead body on his own.  Anders says he needs a willing human host in order to stay in the world, that's why he wanted to help him in the first place.  I guess he could possess a cat if he wanted to.  lol

Good question - since both Wynne and the warden Justice possessed seemingly had no help. I don't recall what the codex might say though.

Edited for clarification

Modifié par EnchantedEyes1, 15 mars 2011 - 06:55 .

[EnchantedEyes1]

Lady Jess wrote...

How common knowledge would...Morrigan being in Orlais be? I imagine pretty common. Leliana was apparently  back in Orlais working with the chantry, she would have recognized her.

And Sandal seems to have a clue...



(borrowed from Yuki)

Also Alistair never took his vows, he had training and education but never actually became a templar. He was conscripted before that could happen.

I guess I should talk to Sandal more often, I never got this response! VERY INTERESTING!

[tallon1982]

I have yet to get Sandal to say that

[maselphie]

Lady Jess wrote...

Also Alistair never took his vows, he had training and education but never actually became a templar. He was conscripted before that could happen.

But taking his vows wouldn't have turned him into a torturing rapitst. 

As for Sandal's prophecy, I think it's a big clue as to what will happen in DA3. Some big baddie. Yaaaay. <-- Sarcastic.

[Addai]

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

Good question - since both Wynne and the warden Justice possessed seemingly had no help. I don't recall what the codex might say though.

Edited for clarification

Well the Baroness forced Justice through the Veil, so presumably that is similar to blood mages forcing demons into people unwillingly.  Wynne cooperated with her Fade fairy, so I would see that more like Anders and Justice where there was a willing human host- even though for her the synthesis happened at the moment of her body's death.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Is there still an option to burn everything and start again?

Seriously, I'm starting to wish I sided with the Architect, and we could all just be darkspawn.

... Nah, not seriously.  Kind of.  Maybe.

Back on topic -- Anders you crazypants, why do I still love you so?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 mars 2011 - 07:22 .

[Lady Jess]

maselphie wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Also Alistair never took his vows, he had training and education but never actually became a templar. He was conscripted before that could happen.

But taking his vows wouldn't have turned him into a torturing rapitst. 

As for Sandal's prophecy, I think it's a big clue as to what will happen in DA3. Some big baddie. Yaaaay. <-- Sarcastic.

We don't know that. Maybe the lyrium has serious personality altering counter effects, maybe years on the job does it (Cullen kills apprentices in certain instances at the end of Origins after all, and at the start he's as sweet and shy as Alistair). it's hard to say who would get on a power trip, or just go nuts completely.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

Good question - since both Wynne and the warden Justice possessed seemingly had no help. I don't recall what the codex might say though.

Edited for clarification

Well the Baroness forced Justice through the Veil, so presumably that is similar to blood mages forcing demons into people unwillingly.  Wynne cooperated with her Fade fairy, so I would see that more like Anders and Justice where there was a willing human host- even though for her the synthesis happened at the moment of her body's death.

I want to see her fade fairy go postal....

[Rinji the Bearded]

The lyrium withdrawal does have bad side effects. There was that Templar that was being held in the dungeon in DA:O who had gone crazy, and I think once the Templars get too old to fight/the lyrium has eaten too much at their sanity, they are more or less decommissioned and sent to Val Royeaux. Or so I remember from DA:O. Someone might want to fact-check me on that.

[Sable Rhapsody]

RinjiRenee wrote...

The lyrium withdrawal does have bad side effects. There was that Templar that was being held in the dungeon in DA:O who had gone crazy, and I think once the Templars get too old to fight/the lyrium has eaten too much at their sanity, they are more or less decommissioned and sent to Val Royeaux. Or so I remember from DA:O. Someone might want to fact-check me on that.

No, you're right.  There's that old templar in Denerim who's clearly bonkers, and his pal says he's long overdue for retirement.  

I was surprised at how much I ended up hating the templars by the end.  As a player, I know the situation's not as clear-cut as "free the mages, death to templars."  But it didn't change how good it felt blowing them up in spades 

[maselphie]

Lady Jess wrote...

maselphie wrote...
But taking his vows wouldn't have turned him into a torturing rapitst. 

As for Sandal's prophecy, I think it's a big clue as to what will happen in DA3. Some big baddie. Yaaaay. <-- Sarcastic.

We don't know that. Maybe the lyrium has serious personality altering counter effects, maybe years on the job does it (Cullen kills apprentices in certain instances at the end of Origins after all, and at the start he's as sweet and shy as Alistair). it's hard to say who would get on a power trip, or just go nuts completely.

Sure, okay. The point is, saying that he definitely will is as wrong as saying every mage is dangerous.

[Aithieel]

I hope that his story is going to be continued (especially for the Hawkes in love with him), not just abandoned or eneded in few sentences.

[Eydris Ivo]

Out of curiosity with how I felt if I did kill him...

I just played through the end again to try and kill Anders and after doing it I can honestly say his end is not justified, to me anyway. All I felt was remorse from him and his need for change. He needs to live the world he has changed and deal with what he has done. Death makes him a martyr and it doesn't solve anything where he could possibly still find his way and fight this war.

That's not my pixel crush talking at all, but how I genuinely felt when doing the deed. I won't do it again.

[BlastedLands]

Rheia1234 wrote...

Out of curiosity with how I felt if I did kill him...

I just played through the end again to try and kill Anders and after doing it I can honestly say his end is not justified, to me anyway. All I felt was remorse from him and his need for change. He needs to live the world he has changed and deal with what he has done. Death makes him a martyr and it doesn't solve anything where he could possibly still find his way and fight this war.

yea, i did it too. it just didn't feel right to me.

That's not my pixel crush talking at all, but how I genuinely felt when doing the deed. I won't do it again.

also, i'm not totally hooked on him. yet.