Threeparts wrote...
Just pointing this out, as I've seen it come up a few times: The three main ingredients in gunpowder are potassium nitrate (also known as saltpetre, or sal petræ), charcoal, and sulphur (the drakestone was mentioned as being a yellowish rock).
Modifié par Ashwraith, 30 mars 2011 - 04:51 .
RinjiRenee wrote...
LOL @ The Escapist review.
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
This may be relevant to your interests:
Zero Punctuation Dragon Age II review
@Sialater: I've sorta already decided what my canon playthrough is, so I'm just mucking about with the others. It sorta makes it harder to stick to what I've said I'd do because *technically* it doesn't matter if I balls it up. Just FYI, I watched the Fenris friendmance on Youtube and the dialogue is a tiny bit more interesting. Incase that sways you at all. I can't bring myself to do a rivalmance with Anders, it's heartbreaking enough as it is!
Speaking of, I'm writing some angsty, angsty woe post-game fic. I'll post a link here when it's done.
Sialater wrote...
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
This may be relevant to your interests:
Zero Punctuation Dragon Age II review
@Sialater: I've sorta already decided what my canon playthrough is, so I'm just mucking about with the others. It sorta makes it harder to stick to what I've said I'd do because *technically* it doesn't matter if I balls it up. Just FYI, I watched the Fenris friendmance on Youtube and the dialogue is a tiny bit more interesting. Incase that sways you at all. I can't bring myself to do a rivalmance with Anders, it's heartbreaking enough as it is!
Speaking of, I'm writing some angsty, angsty woe post-game fic. I'll post a link here when it's done.
"Not so much a 'hero's journey' so much as 'The hero piddles around for awhile gobbing off his handsome friend.'" LMAO
Sialater wrote...
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
-snip-
"Not so much a 'hero's journey' so much as 'The hero piddles around for awhile gobbing off his handsome friend.'" LMAO
He is devilishly handsome after all . . .
Ashwraith wrote...
Threeparts wrote...
Just pointing this out, as I've seen it come up a few times: The three main ingredients in gunpowder are potassium nitrate (also known as saltpetre, or sal petræ), charcoal, and sulphur (the drakestone was mentioned as being a yellowish rock).
Oh, jeezus. Wincing right now. >.<
Also, I wake up, and suddenly the thread has advanced five pages? When do you people sleep?
(just kidding, just lidding, you know I love you guys)
Ashwraith wrote...
Also, I wake up, and suddenly the thread has advanced five pages? When do you people sleep?
(just kidding, just kidding, you know I love you guys)
Batteries wrote...
Carver stands between you and Meredith and says the big "You'll have to go through me." to her. Cullen then steps next to him and says the same. He fights as an NPC though.
I'm perfectly fine being shielded by these men for a short moment.
RinjiRenee wrote...
CrookedAsylum wrote...
Speaking of the Chantry, when I first did Anders's 'Justice' quest and talked to Elthina, I honesty thought she said, "I hope you find a bomb threat in this place," to Anders. I was like, "Bomb threat? What? Oh! Balm for it! Okay."
Little did I know...
Goddamnit, Anders.
Man, there were so many bomb references in that quest it wasn't even funny. The "balm," Anders saying "boom," when talking about separating himself from Justice, the fertilizer (which is a common ingredient in bomb materials)... Yeah Anders, good job at being subtle, I'M ON TO YOU BUDDY.
SIGH. Why can't I quit you. I've said this about 3423423424 times in the last few days.
I know exactly how you feel. God, I wanted Hawke to say "ANDERS NOBODY IS FOOLED". Because seriously, he is a terrible, terrible liar.Kawamura wrote...
I was so irritatedthat they thought I was too stupid to catch GUN POWDER as one of the main ingredients in his potion. By the way, never drink things with gun powder. It won't work well.
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Sialater wrote...
DA2 is like most urban fantasy novels (the good ones, not the ****ty fang-banger ones). It explores what it means to be just and the fine line between justice and vengeance. The fight with the Arishok (which was hastened by a pair of elves avenging their sister on a son of a **** guardsman) and the Chantry explosion and choosing Mages or Teplars all show this. One thing the good urban fantasy novels also explore is what it means to be human (in this case, I'm lumping in elves and dwarves). I believe this is also handled in DA2 with the Templar/Mage dichotomy and the contrast of Anders/Merrill with the non-mages in your party.
SurelyForth wrote...
- Songlian - wrote...
The main reason why the Rivalry Romance side switching does not bother me is because I really believe Anders is more than the cause he's fighting for. And that he's been getting this aggressive only under the influence of Justice/Vengeance, sometimes that influence causing more harm than good. As Hawke says in that video, it's not like he's going pro-Chantry all of a sudden. He's going more like, let's regroup for now, and then fight harder. That's how I see the entire situation.
And at this point, I really wish Jennifer would come in and shed some light on the subject. (If she hasn't done that already and I missed it.)
He's more than the cause he's fighting for, but he's also a mage who has been persecuted his whole life, independent of Justice/Vengeance, and it's things like the Right of Annulment and Tranquility that has kept mages in their places for a millenia. So it's not just him realizing that he doesn't have to hand himself over whole to the cause, it's him twisting so far around that he's willing to support that system through direct particpation in the very thing that has been used to subjugate him and other mages.
And, I cannot say this enough, for something he did. The fact that his allegiance is to Hawke there and NOT to the mages that he has doomed, however inadvertantly, is what bothers me the most about this ending.
Modifié par - Songlian -, 30 mars 2011 - 05:31 .
Ashwraith wrote...
I know exactly how you feel. God, I wanted Hawke to say "ANDERS NOBODY IS FOOLED" or something along those lines, but instead all I got was either starry-eyed 'okay I'll help', or mild suspicion.Kawamura wrote...
I was so irritatedthat they thought I was too stupid to catch GUN POWDER as one of the main ingredients in his potion. By the way, never drink things with gun powder. It won't work well.
Graaaaaaaah.
Kawamura wrote...
Sialater wrote...
DA2 is like most urban fantasy novels (the good ones, not the ****ty fang-banger ones). It explores what it means to be just and the fine line between justice and vengeance. The fight with the Arishok (which was hastened by a pair of elves avenging their sister on a son of a **** guardsman) and the Chantry explosion and choosing Mages or Teplars all show this. One thing the good urban fantasy novels also explore is what it means to be human (in this case, I'm lumping in elves and dwarves). I believe this is also handled in DA2 with the Templar/Mage dichotomy and the contrast of Anders/Merrill with the non-mages in your party.
I always have a problem with the idea of what is just because it's so subjective.
I end up coming to the conclusion that, since I'm the person I have to live with, I have to do what I think is best. That says nothing of what is truely most good, because I don't know that. And, at the end of the day, I'd rather have empathy and mercy than justice, and I'd rather met that out, too. And, at the end of the day, what I do will always be mine, no matter what outside forces act on me, and I need to own that.
Which is why I feel a little uncomfortable at the thought of IT'S ALL JUSTICE'S FAULT ideas. It seems... too easy.
- Songlian - wrote...
But now he finally has his revolution. So what happens during this revolution? Not only the guilty mages die, but also the innocents he was trying to protect. Ironically enough, Meredith had called for the Right of Annulment only after Anders blows up the Chantry. Were it not for Anders' rash actions, the Right of Annulment wouldn't have been invoked. The damage is much bigger than the possibility that Meredith's appeal to apply the Right of Annulmnent will be granted. Because, as we know, the Divine Leliana tells us about was determined to see for herself what the situation was all about. To sum it up, Anders had traded a "maybe things will go bad" for a "things will go bad for sure".
Modifié par Sialater, 30 mars 2011 - 05:29 .
To be honest, I count myself as fairly scientifically knowledgeable and I didn't get it. I sorta figured drakestone for being analagous to sulphur because of it being a yellow substance, but unless you know what Saltpeter (specifically) is I'd say it's reasonably well hidden. Now if they'd said fertilizer I'd have thought it was way too obvious.Kawamura wrote...
RinjiRenee wrote...
CrookedAsylum wrote...
Speaking of the Chantry, when I first did Anders's 'Justice' quest and talked to Elthina, I honesty thought she said, "I hope you find a bomb threat in this place," to Anders. I was like, "Bomb threat? What? Oh! Balm for it! Okay."
Little did I know...
Goddamnit, Anders.
Man, there were so many bomb references in that quest it wasn't even funny. The "balm," Anders saying "boom," when talking about separating himself from Justice, the fertilizer (which is a common ingredient in bomb materials)... Yeah Anders, good job at being subtle, I'M ON TO YOU BUDDY.
SIGH. Why can't I quit you. I've said this about 3423423424 times in the last few days.
Right?
It's totally like ... god. I wanted snarky hawke to be able to go "sewers? Sounds like a blast"
I was so irritatedthat they thought I was too stupid to catch GUN POWDER as one of the main ingredients in his potion. By the way, never drink things with gun powder. It won't work well.
Modifié par AquilaChrysaetos86, 30 mars 2011 - 05:30 .
Sialater wrote...
Kawamura wrote...
Sialater wrote...
DA2 is like most urban fantasy novels (the good ones, not the ****ty fang-banger ones). It explores what it means to be just and the fine line between justice and vengeance. The fight with the Arishok (which was hastened by a pair of elves avenging their sister on a son of a **** guardsman) and the Chantry explosion and choosing Mages or Teplars all show this. One thing the good urban fantasy novels also explore is what it means to be human (in this case, I'm lumping in elves and dwarves). I believe this is also handled in DA2 with the Templar/Mage dichotomy and the contrast of Anders/Merrill with the non-mages in your party.
I always have a problem with the idea of what is just because it's so subjective.
I end up coming to the conclusion that, since I'm the person I have to live with, I have to do what I think is best. That says nothing of what is truely most good, because I don't know that. And, at the end of the day, I'd rather have empathy and mercy than justice, and I'd rather met that out, too. And, at the end of the day, what I do will always be mine, no matter what outside forces act on me, and I need to own that.
Which is why I feel a little uncomfortable at the thought of IT'S ALL JUSTICE'S FAULT ideas. It seems... too easy.
Which is fine. That's part of the exploration. But Anders fighting the chantry is hardly the only in/justice done in this game. The first is Hawke's & Varric's betrayal by Bartrand. The second is the Arishok starting a war on priciple, the third is the Anders/Chantry/Mage/Templar thing.
Sialater wrote...
Which is fine. That's part of the exploration. But Anders fighting the chantry is hardly the only in/justice done in this game. The first is Hawke's & Varric's betrayal by Bartrand. The second is the Arishok starting a war on priciple, the third is the Anders/Chantry/Mage/Templar thing.
AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...
To be honest, I count myself as fairly scientifically knowledgeable and I didn't get it. I sorta figured drakestone for being analagous to sulphur because of it being a yellow substance, but unless you know what Saltpeter (specifically) is I'd say it's reasonably well hidden. Now if they'd said fertilizer I'd have thought it was way too obvious.Kawamura wrote...
RinjiRenee wrote...
CrookedAsylum wrote...
Speaking of the Chantry, when I first did Anders's 'Justice' quest and talked to Elthina, I honesty thought she said, "I hope you find a bomb threat in this place," to Anders. I was like, "Bomb threat? What? Oh! Balm for it! Okay."
Little did I know...
Goddamnit, Anders.
Man, there were so many bomb references in that quest it wasn't even funny. The "balm," Anders saying "boom," when talking about separating himself from Justice, the fertilizer (which is a common ingredient in bomb materials)... Yeah Anders, good job at being subtle, I'M ON TO YOU BUDDY.
SIGH. Why can't I quit you. I've said this about 3423423424 times in the last few days.
Right?
It's totally like ... god. I wanted snarky hawke to be able to go "sewers? Sounds like a blast"
I was so irritatedthat they thought I was too stupid to catch GUN POWDER as one of the main ingredients in his potion. By the way, never drink things with gun powder. It won't work well.
Edit: Although I was spoiled on the whole Chantry thing, so the whole of the quest I was screaming 'LIAR!' in my head.
But what about gunpowder tea?
Sialater wrote...
Just FYI, Meredith sent to the Divine in Orlais for the Rite of Annulment at the beginning of Act 3. Kerras, the Templar who abuses his position states it in an ambient dialogue in the Gallows at the foot of the main stairs as you walk in. "Those robes'll get what's comin' to 'em."
When she announced it at the end there, she was acting without the Chantry's permission.
Kawamura wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Kawamura wrote...
Sialater wrote...
DA2 is like most urban fantasy novels (the good ones, not the ****ty fang-banger ones). It explores what it means to be just and the fine line between justice and vengeance. The fight with the Arishok (which was hastened by a pair of elves avenging their sister on a son of a **** guardsman) and the Chantry explosion and choosing Mages or Teplars all show this. One thing the good urban fantasy novels also explore is what it means to be human (in this case, I'm lumping in elves and dwarves). I believe this is also handled in DA2 with the Templar/Mage dichotomy and the contrast of Anders/Merrill with the non-mages in your party.
I always have a problem with the idea of what is just because it's so subjective.
I end up coming to the conclusion that, since I'm the person I have to live with, I have to do what I think is best. That says nothing of what is truely most good, because I don't know that. And, at the end of the day, I'd rather have empathy and mercy than justice, and I'd rather met that out, too. And, at the end of the day, what I do will always be mine, no matter what outside forces act on me, and I need to own that.
Which is why I feel a little uncomfortable at the thought of IT'S ALL JUSTICE'S FAULT ideas. It seems... too easy.
Which is fine. That's part of the exploration. But Anders fighting the chantry is hardly the only in/justice done in this game. The first is Hawke's & Varric's betrayal by Bartrand. The second is the Arishok starting a war on priciple, the third is the Anders/Chantry/Mage/Templar thing.
Well, there's more than that.
I try to avoid the idea of what is just. Or, maybe, just avoid the idea in those words. Justice is a harder word than I like to use; it's heavier, it's more objective-sounding. It's hard to explain, it just has a certain colour in my head and a certain feeling in my mouth.
It's an unhappy world i live in, when I have to keep thinking about the thoughts of other people. I'd much rather just -- not.
I want a certain world view, jesus. I should go play mass effect.
Herr Uhl wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Which is fine. That's part of the exploration. But Anders fighting the chantry is hardly the only in/justice done in this game. The first is Hawke's & Varric's betrayal by Bartrand. The second is the Arishok starting a war on priciple, the third is the Anders/Chantry/Mage/Templar thing.
The second also has pretty clear intolerance messages. Them merely existing is enough to make them the enemy for some.
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