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[Rinji the Bearded]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I just had a terrible mental image of Anders in Samara's outfit.

/cries

By terrible you mean you're gonna draw it right

[tmp7704]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I just had a terrible mental image of Anders in Samara's outfit.

/cries

Would that really be so much different from Anders in the chasind robes?

[leggywillow]

Sialater wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

This may be relevant to your interests:

Zero Punctuation Dragon Age II review

"Not so much a 'hero's journey' so much as 'The hero piddles around for awhile gobbing off his handsome friend.'" LMAO

Oh so true.  But what more could you ask for, really?

Especially when the handsome friend in question is oh so very handsome.  And batsh** insane.  But handsome.

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I just had a terrible mental image of Anders in Samara's outfit.

/cries

Would that really be so much different from Anders in the chasind robes?

It'd be a bit less revealing than the chasind robes.

[Sialater]

leggywillow wrote...

Sialater wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

This may be relevant to your interests:

Zero Punctuation Dragon Age II review

"Not so much a 'hero's journey' so much as 'The hero piddles around for awhile gobbing off his handsome friend.'" LMAO

Oh so true.  But what more could you ask for, really?

Especially when the handsome friend in question is oh so very handsome.  And batsh** insane.  But handsome.

Which is fun!

[silver-crescent]

tmp7704 wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I just had a terrible mental image of Anders in Samara's outfit.

/cries

Would that really be so much different from Anders in the chasind robes?

I never really got if the chasind robes for male mages have them showing their chest or if it's just skin colored material.

[Sialater]

Since it's slit down to THERE on females.... I'd say bare.

[fantasypisces]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Amusing (because they don't line up correctly) bunch of Anders model swaps for parts of other character romance scenes-

-Merrill's scene, I think? (shirtless Anders *shudder*)
-Fenris glowy scene
-Isabela scene (hot forehead makeouts)

So lol.

That Anders leaning against the wall part reminded a bit me too much of his Awakening self.

And okay well, I did find the Fenris swap pretty sexy.

Hehe, the Isabela one did make me laugh, but I could totally go for the Fenris swap too.

Anders!

Oh wow the Fenris swap one is... nice 

[SurelyForth]

tmp7704 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

But what do you suggest? Elthina, who was the one person in Kirkwall who could have done something, was obviously content to not see it or deal with it on any level. Orsino was just a mage and Hawke was being repeatedly shunted out of the conversation by Meredith, who would then be politely chastised by Elthina.

From what i saw Elthina was the one person who was keeping Meredith from going overboard, and she was hoping for the sides to work out their differences instead of being forced into a corner (what Anders essentially did; he admits his main incentive in blowing up the Chantry was to remove that one thing which was stopping the excrements from getting in the fan)  Given that, i'd expect Elthina to actually act if situation deteriorated to the point where Meredith could no longer be reasoned with. I.e. in few weeks, tops.

Meaning, overall similar outcome minus the blown up Chantry and minus the Circle War.

This is true (about Elthina being the only person who could calm Meredith), but there is nothing to indicate that Elthina was going to ever do anything more than calm her. Despite all the warnings being made and all the complaints and discontent, she refused to act. I think that even the smallest concession would have been an immense relief- either naming a Viscount or removing Meredith pending an investigation of the numerous and sundry complaints against her.

Removing Meredith would have also probably forced a Public Showing of Crazy, and one that would have involved fewer innocents than bombing a Chantry. But it would have required Elthina making a decision that she was apparently never going to make unless something huge happened and it's entirely possible that, with the Divine watching, it could have been huger than what Anders did.

Also, Chasind robes on dudes aren't *that* revealing. There's certainly no abundance of ass happening!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 mars 2011 - 07:05 .

[Anarya]

Hmm that Fenris swap one turns out pretty hot, but the other two just look wrong. Anders with Isabela/Merrill/FHawke animations weirds me out.

[Sialater]

SurelyForth wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

But what do you suggest? Elthina, who was the one person in Kirkwall who could have done something, was obviously content to not see it or deal with it on any level. Orsino was just a mage and Hawke was being repeatedly shunted out of the conversation by Meredith, who would then be politely chastised by Elthina.

From what i saw Elthina was the one person who was keeping Meredith from going overboard, and she was hoping for the sides to work out their differences instead of being forced into a corner (what Anders essentially did; he admits his main incentive in blowing up the Chantry was to remove that one thing which was stopping the excrements from getting in the fan)  Given that, i'd expect Elthina to actually act if situation deteriorated to the point where Meredith could no longer be reasoned with. I.e. in few weeks, tops.

Meaning, overall similar outcome minus the blown up Chantry and minus the Circle War.

This is true (about Elthina being the only person who could calm Meredith), but there is nothing to indicate that Elthina was going to ever do anything more than calm her. Despite all the warnings being made and all the complaints and discontent, she refused to act. I think that even the smallest concession would have been an immense relief- either naming a Viscount or removing Meredith pending an investigation of the numerous and sundry complaints against her.

Removing Meredith would have also probably forced a Public Showing of Crazy, and one that would have involved fewer innocents than bombing a Chantry. But it would have required Elthina making a decision that she was apparently never going to make unless something huge happened and it's entirely possible that, with the Divine watching, it could have been huger than what Anders did.

Like an Exalted March.  Which was called.

[YamiSnuffles]

yukidama wrote...

Amusing (because they don't line up correctly) bunch of Anders model swaps for parts of other character romance scenes-

-Merrill's scene, I think? (shirtless Anders *shudder*)
-Fenris glowy scene
-Isabela scene (hot forehead makeouts)

So lol.

Although I love watching Anders lean against the wall in the Izzy scene, the rest of the scene is just...

It looks like the daggers are being pulled out of his back. That and I thought the animation already looked awkward with Izzy. Switched out, I don't even know what to think.

[fantasypisces]

Batteries wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

That's all it is right there.^

Yeah I'm in the camp that Anders should never side with the templars, for reasons everyone has stated. 7 years of plotting and shouting off all his dialogue, only to suddenly in the very last minute decide his revolution failed and now he must set things right?

Even if his revolution failed, I still envision Anders doing the only thing he could do, dying with it, by protecting the mages.  Because then, even if it failed, he still sent a message.

[Dunizel]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Although I love watching Anders lean against the wall in the Izzy scene, the rest of the scene is just...

It looks like the daggers are being pulled out of his back. 

They are hidden in the fur.

Glowy Anders is nice, but still, the best swap if the Fenris/Isabela one.  



Edit about Elthina. Doing nothing she is just as guilty as Meredith. Moreover, I think that Meredith could have done pretty much everything, without asking, as long as it wasn't that much evident or in the open. If what Anders said about the increase of Tranquil mages in the Gallows is true, Elthina representing the Chantry should have noticed and not allowed it. 
And honestly, Petrice just killed the Viscount son and you know it...or better, she knew even before that petrice was up to something, and she didn't do anythign, again. Really, she is not that guiltless or innocent.

Modifié par Dunizel, 30 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[Sialater]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Amusing (because they don't line up correctly) bunch of Anders model swaps for parts of other character romance scenes-

-Merrill's scene, I think? (shirtless Anders *shudder*)
-Fenris glowy scene
-Isabela scene (hot forehead makeouts)

So lol.

Although I love watching Anders lean against the wall in the Izzy scene, the rest of the scene is just...

It looks like the daggers are being pulled out of his back. That and I thought the animation already looked awkward with Izzy. Switched out, I don't even know what to think.

I'll just stick with wanting the Fenris switch to be canon.  

[DeaHamlet]

If you talk to Elthina enough, it becomes very clear that she would never side with the mages, not even GIVE the impression that she's siding with the mages. The way she speaks of mages, I guess it reflects the Chantry's view that mages are cursed and dangerous, blah blah.

Besides, last time I told her about needing to interfere ASAP, she brushed me off and it resulted in dead Qunari, dead Viscount's son, and eventually war with the Qunari. If you bother to speak with the Arishok, you know the elf stuff was just the last straw, he was pretty much determined that something must be done about this crazy city... killing one of his own really convinced him that something must be done. He had done nothing to provoke, incite, hurt noone and yet they tried to frame his people at every turn and killed one of their own.

I wouldn't have sat around waiting for Elthina to do something about Meredith. She would have probably done little if anything. Even the thought of an exalted march did not persuade her that Meredith is causing more harm than good. Nothing persuaded that woman, much to my angry yelling at the screen lmao.

[Ninche]

tmp7704 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

But what do you suggest? Elthina, who was the one person in Kirkwall who could have done something, was obviously content to not see it or deal with it on any level. Orsino was just a mage and Hawke was being repeatedly shunted out of the conversation by Meredith, who would then be politely chastised by Elthina.

From what i saw Elthina was the one person who was keeping Meredith from going overboard, and she was hoping for the sides to work out their differences instead of being forced into a corner (what Anders essentially did; he admits his main incentive in blowing up the Chantry was to remove that one thing which was stopping the excrements from getting in the fan)  Given that, i'd expect Elthina to actually act if situation deteriorated to the point where Meredith could no longer be reasoned with. I.e. in few weeks, tops.

Meaning, overall similar outcome minus the blown up Chantry and minus the Circle War.

Oh i really need to start saving all my posts in word documents so I can copy and paste. But here it goes again: 

First of all Elthina would have NEVER taken the mages'side. It goes against her religion and her believes. 
She was, indeed, the one person with the power to prevent what happened: by forcefully removing Meredith from her usurped position and appointing someone more suitable. Why didn't she? Because Meredith represents the templars , the templars represent the Chantry. Do you think Elthina would have remained grand cleric for long had she done anything to undermine the authority of the Chantry? 

As I've said before, given the option between ignoring the problems and retaining some illusion of peace when horrid things are happening under your nose is what most people would choose over a bloody war that might cost them their lives. Just because people are scared to enter a conflict doesn't make it okay for them to ignore it. 

And common, the whole "it's in the maker's hands whether they settle this between themselves or not" and "I am the grand cleric who would dare touch me in my chantry" are these the words of a REASONABLE and COMPASSIONATE person? As someone said long ago sitting on your hands won't save lives. She could have saved lives. Anders waited for THREE years for her to choose a side. And you are saying she would have taken a few weeks tops? How do you know that? She is as stubborn as a donkey on a bridge, she would not have changed anything, she is convinced in her own invincibillity and this higher power that takes responsibility off her shoulders - it is the most pathetic excuse ever - oh it is never my fault when things go wrong it was the will of the maker. 

If Anders had done nothing, Meredith would have annulled the circle sooner or later, or if the Grand Cleric had managed to keep her at bay then the Divine would have sent her armies to wipe Kirkwall entirely - which includes the mages. When you are fighting to protect them you see how none of these scenarios would work. Most importaintly NOTHING would change. Anders blew up Elthina and her chantry and started a war. Against the will of everyone involved, he removed the compromise because there was no compromise. The mages were being oppressed beyond any reason, made tranquil, killed - this is no peace, this is no equality. Now they have a chance to fight for their right to LIVE not just exist in shame and misery because of some silly chant. If you don't think mages should be allowed to be free then there is no way I could convince you otherwise, this is my point of view as someone who believes they should be allowed the same rights as everyone else. 

Also, many mages and civillians escaped Kirkwall after the chantry was blown up so it's not like everyone got slaughtered. It is annoying the game doesn't give us a realistic idea of numbers but that's how it is. 

[SidheKate]

tmp7704 wrote...

From what i saw Elthina was the one person who was keeping Meredith from going overboard, and she was hoping for the sides to work out their differences instead of being forced into a corner (what Anders essentially did; he admits his main incentive in blowing up the Chantry was to remove that one thing which was stopping the excrements from getting in the fan)  Given that, i'd expect Elthina to actually act if situation deteriorated to the point where Meredith could no longer be reasoned with. I.e. in few weeks, tops.

Meaning, overall similar outcome minus the blown up Chantry and minus the Circle War.

I've never been so sure that Elthina was as neutral as she liked to say.  Talk to Cullen in Act 3.  I picked the option to ask what he thought the Grand Cleric would do, and he was adamant that she would always have to side with the templars.  He admitted it was cruel of her, though, to lead the mages on the way she was.

Maybe that was just his opinion, but it certainly changed mine of the whole situation.  I stopped thinking of her as balanced and reasonable and started thinking of her as manipulative and possibly the best liar in the game.  When you speak to her about the mages, she claims to feel for them and that she wouldn't want to be locked up in the Gallows.  But if Cullen is right, and she never had any intention of helping the mages...

And don't forget, Merideth called for the Rite of Annulment when the Grand Cleric was still alive.  No way the Knight-Commander does that when the Grand Cleric doesn't know. 

Edit: lol I see my point has been brought up by others just before me.  'ed   

Modifié par SidheKate, 30 mars 2011 - 07:09 .

[Amondra]

SidheKate wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

From what i saw Elthina was the one person who was keeping Meredith from going overboard, and she was hoping for the sides to work out their differences instead of being forced into a corner (what Anders essentially did; he admits his main incentive in blowing up the Chantry was to remove that one thing which was stopping the excrements from getting in the fan)  Given that, i'd expect Elthina to actually act if situation deteriorated to the point where Meredith could no longer be reasoned with. I.e. in few weeks, tops.

Meaning, overall similar outcome minus the blown up Chantry and minus the Circle War.

I've never been so sure that Elthina was as neutral as she liked to say.  Talk to Cullen in Act 3.  I picked the option to ask what he thought the Grand Cleric would do, and he was adamant that she would always have to side with the templars.  He admitted it was cruel of her, though, to lead the mages on the way she was.

Maybe that was just his opinion, but it certainly changed mine of the whole situation.  I stopped thinking of her as balanced and reasonable and started thinking of her as manipulative and possibly the best liar in the game.  When you speak to her about the mages, she claims to feel for them and that she wouldn't want to be locked up in the Gallows.  But if Cullen is right, and she never had any intention of helping the mages...

And don't forget, Merideth called for the Rite of Annulment when the Grand Cleric was still alive.  No way the Knight-Commander does that when the Grand Cleric doesn't know. 

I thought she called for it after the Chantry went sky high and that before hand she just wanted to turn the circle upside down to make tranquil(or out right kill I don't remember) possible blood mages, because she feared many had gotten into the ranks.

[BlastedLands]

[Sialater]

SidheKate wrote...

Maybe that was just his opinion, but it certainly changed mine of the whole situation.  I stopped thinking of her as balanced and reasonable and started thinking of her as manipulative and possibly the best liar in the game.  When you speak to her about the mages, she claims to feel for them and that she wouldn't want to be locked up in the Gallows.  But if Cullen is right, and she never had any intention of helping the mages...

And don't forget, Merideth called for the Rite of Annulment when the Grand Cleric was still alive.  No way the Knight-Commander does that when the Grand Cleric doesn't know. 

Edit: lol I see my point has been brought up by others just before me.  'ed   

Best Liar Award. 

[DeaHamlet]

SidheKate wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

From what i saw Elthina was the one person who was keeping Meredith from going overboard, and she was hoping for the sides to work out their differences instead of being forced into a corner (what Anders essentially did; he admits his main incentive in blowing up the Chantry was to remove that one thing which was stopping the excrements from getting in the fan)  Given that, i'd expect Elthina to actually act if situation deteriorated to the point where Meredith could no longer be reasoned with. I.e. in few weeks, tops.

Meaning, overall similar outcome minus the blown up Chantry and minus the Circle War.

I've never been so sure that Elthina was as neutral as she liked to say.  Talk to Cullen in Act 3.  I picked the option to ask what he thought the Grand Cleric would do, and he was adamant that she would always have to side with the templars.  He admitted it was cruel of her, though, to lead the mages on the way she was.

Maybe that was just his opinion, but it certainly changed mine of the whole situation.  I stopped thinking of her as balanced and reasonable and started thinking of her as manipulative and possibly the best liar in the game.  When you speak to her about the mages, she claims to feel for them and that she wouldn't want to be locked up in the Gallows.  But if Cullen is right, and she never had any intention of helping the mages...

And don't forget, Merideth called for the Rite of Annulment when the Grand Cleric was still alive.  No way the Knight-Commander does that when the Grand Cleric doesn't know. 

Edit: lol I see my point has been brought up by others just before me.  'ed   

If you talk to her at certain points, you can ask her about mages.  She pretty much says they are cursed and need to be kept in circles to make sure they are no danger to anyone.  Next playthrough I'll record the conversation, it made me sick.  She is in no way unbiased.  She is very biased.
Even when Orsino makes a good point that they need a viscount, someone elected/chosen by the people of Kirkwall not someone who was placed in power by the chantry... what does Elthina do?  Tells templars to escort Orsino back to his prison.  Gently, but the point is made... you belong in a prison, you don't get a say in this city... NOBODY gets a say in the city apparently, not nobles, not common folk, nobody.  Someone put in power by the chantry is ruling and Elthina is doing nothing to facilitate the finding of a viscount.  Just looks like chantry gained more power in Kirkwall and it was not about to let it go.  She might spew stuff about peace, but she wouldn't know real compromise or freedom if it hit her over the head.

[Rinji the Bearded]

hae where can I find the Fenris/Isabela swap?  Or was there ever one?!

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 30 mars 2011 - 07:17 .

[Threeparts]

You know what could have stopped all this? If Hawke and Anders decided to become investigative journalists and started Kirkwall's first newspaper. "Bringing the TRUTH to the PEOPLE!"
The hats come with the job, of course.

Modifié par Threeparts, 30 mars 2011 - 07:20 .

[mellifera]

RinjiRenee wrote...

hae where can I find the Fenris/Isabela swap?  Or was there ever one?!

This one?