Oh god. THAT ART. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Now I don't feel so guilty staring at it.Sialater wrote...
I just realized this pic is very much prophetic.
ETA: He won't be dying in my games. He needs to live in the world he just screwed up and see what his "justice" wrought. Whichever one was in charge at the time.
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maselphie wrote...
Oh god. THAT ART. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Now I don't feel so guilty staring at it.Sialater wrote...
::yummy art snip::
I just realized this pic is very much prophetic.
As I understand it, Anders wasn't the only one concerned about the mages nor the only one helping them. You do several quests about people secretly helping the mages, Templars included. In his selfishness, he decided to put an end to their efforts and made a straight-out war. Whatever peace can be accomplished, a war is not going to do it. It's only going to demonize both factions further.LobselVith8 wrote...
Considering Anders is the only person who even managed to make a change for the Circles and get the mages to collectively strive towards independence in over 900 years -and so far the Circles broke free from the Chantry - I don't see the problem. Anders' goal was to put an end to the slavery of his people. Should he have allowed the Grand Cleric to do nothing and let the plight of his people for another 900 years when no one else was doing anything to help the mages? Should he have allowed slavery to continue? He acted, and it worked. The Circles seperated from the Chantry, and so have the Order of Templars. It's not as if Andraste wrote a strongly worded letter to the Imperium to end the slavery of her people.
leggywillow wrote...
maselphie wrote...
Oh god. THAT ART. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Now I don't feel so guilty staring at it.Sialater wrote...
::yummy art snip::
I just realized this pic is very much prophetic.
Exactly. I'm simply contemplating the futile plight of the mages, that's all. Not leering at a half-naked Anders. Certainly not that.
Yep. It would be a boring ending otherwise.Dudalizer wrote...
Is it possible to avoid Anders blowing up the Chantry? I have finished most of the "Justice" quest, but I haven't taken him into the Chantry yet. Will he still blow up the Chantry even if I refuse to take him?
Miri1984 wrote...
@Dudalizer. Yup. The boy is resourceful. Sorry.
LobselVith8 wrote...
Considering Anders is the only person who even managed to make a change for the Circles and get the mages to collectively strive towards independence in over 900 years -and so far the Circles broke free from the Chantry - I don't see the problem. Anders' goal was to put an end to the slavery of his people. Should he have allowed the Grand Cleric to do nothing and let the plight of his people for another 900 years when no one else was doing anything to help the mages? Should he have allowed slavery to continue? He acted, and it worked. The Circles seperated from the Chantry, and so have the Order of Templars. It's not as if Andraste wrote a strongly worded letter to the Imperium to end the slavery of her people.
Sialater wrote...
leggywillow wrote...
maselphie wrote...
Oh god. THAT ART. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Now I don't feel so guilty staring at it.Sialater wrote...
::yummy art snip::
I just realized this pic is very much prophetic.
Exactly. I'm simply contemplating the futile plight of the mages, that's all. Not leering at a half-naked Anders. Certainly not that.
Did Surely ever put it in the OP? Cause it needs to be there. For the symbolism. Yeah. The symbolism. :innocent:
Spineless? The whole game is about him taking a stand against Meredith. The ending was triggered by him NOT letting her search the tower. Considering Meredith has his life in her hands, he was pretty bold, in my opinion. Any defeat he accepted was because he knew that she could easilly call for his murder, and that of everyone else's (as she proves very shortly). With that in mind, knowing the head cleric isn't going to help him, he was pretty brave in a lot of instances.Trophonius wrote...
Orsino has pretty much shown himself to be a spineless and inefficient leader for the mages when faced with large scale threats by Meredith. Instead of standing his ground and demonstrating equal vehemence, he just submits to her taunts. He yields to blood magic thinking that she was right all along.
Modifié par maselphie, 15 mars 2011 - 09:34 .
MICHELLE7 wrote...
Rheia1234 wrote...
Sialater wrote...
I just realized this pic is very much prophetic.
ETA: He won't be dying in my games. He needs to live in the world he just screwed up and see what his "justice" wrought. Whichever one was in charge at the time.
Oh dear, this picture just makes me sad now.
Sad wasn't what I was thinking:whistle:
Trophonius wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Considering Anders is the only person who even managed to make a change for the Circles and get the mages to collectively strive towards independence in over 900 years -and so far the Circles broke free from the Chantry - I don't see the problem. Anders' goal was to put an end to the slavery of his people. Should he have allowed the Grand Cleric to do nothing and let the plight of his people for another 900 years when no one else was doing anything to help the mages? Should he have allowed slavery to continue? He acted, and it worked. The Circles seperated from the Chantry, and so have the Order of Templars. It's not as if Andraste wrote a strongly worded letter to the Imperium to end the slavery of her people.
Agreed on all points. Orsino has pretty much shown himself to be a spineless and inefficient leader for the mages when faced with large scale threats by Meredith. Instead of standing his ground and demonstrating equal vehemence, he just submits to her taunts. He yields to blood magic thinking that she was right all along. If he's all the mages have to hope for, then their cause is truly forfeit. Anders himself even mentions how he's been one of the luckier mages who escaped rape, torture, and death by the templars. Of course he's not just going to stand and wait for a deadlock to break on its own. Could he have done something less drastic? Sure. But in his eyes, that would've accomplished nothing when there's a psychopathic templar who wants to exterminate his people for good.
Sarah1281 wrote...
Which is really too bad because I loved Orsino's suave "Have confidence, knight-commander" and staff-twirl before he went to single-handedly distract all of the qunari guards. That was just such a great moment and they he turns himself into a Harvester and tries to kill his own allies. While they were winning. And he doesn't even have an idol excuse!
maselphie wrote...
Spineless? The whole game is about him taking a stand against Meredith. The ending was triggered by him NOT letting her search the tower. Considering Meredith has his life in her hands, he was pretty bold, in my opinion. Any defeat he accepted was because he knew that she could easilly call for his murder, and that of everyone else's (as she proves very shortly). With that in mind, knowing the head cleric isn't going to help him, he was pretty brave in a lot of instances.Trophonius wrote...
Orsino has pretty much shown himself to be a spineless and inefficient leader for the mages when faced with large scale threats by Meredith. Instead of standing his ground and demonstrating equal vehemence, he just submits to her taunts. He yields to blood magic thinking that she was right all along.
Brave, like Anders. Doesn't mean what they did in the end was a good thing. Orsino has some huge points against him, like blood magic.
Sarah1281 wrote...
Which is really too bad because I loved Orsino's suave "Have confidence, knight-commander" and staff-twirl before he went to single-handedly distract all of the qunari guards. That was just such a great moment and they he turns himself into a Harvester and tries to kill his own allies. While they were winning. And he doesn't even have an idol excuse!
Miri1984 wrote...
@Sable that was my impression too. At the beginning if you look down the corridor its a sea of red circles, and they all disappear in one go, which makes me think the Harvester pulled one of those "let's through bits of myself at people" attacks that slaughtered my Golems party so many times, before he started attacking the rest of us.
Sable Rhapsody wrote...
I found it hard to hate Orsino for his involvment with Quentin, though. Quentin was psychotic--even if he hadn't been a blood mage, he still would've killed all those women and stitched them together. He just wouldn't have been able to reanimate them. And TBH, my Hawke had worse troubles at the time when Orsino mentions Quentin. Like, you know, A LOT OF TEMPLARS.
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