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[Dunizel]

Very nice Anders tribute 



Would have worked really well even as the characters presentation!

[Sialater]

Dunizel wrote...

Very nice Anders tribute 



Would have worked really well even as the characters presentation!

Putting Awakening Anders in the same vid as DA2 Anders really showed how whittled down he became.  He's lost weight, he's more worn...  He looks more tired.

[leggywillow]

Dunizel wrote...
Very nice Anders tribute 



Would have worked really well even as the characters presentation!

Ooh that was really good.  Usually I'm not really into tribute videos, but this one was nice.

But who was the guy Rogue Hawke murder-knifed in the eye?!  I never did that with my rogue!  There was a sad lack of murder-knife in this game.

[YamiSnuffles]

Dunizel wrote...

Very nice Anders tribute 



Would have worked really well even as the characters presentation!

That was really well done.

[Rinji the Bearded]

ANDERS, HAWKE NOT KIDDING WHEN ASKING IF YOU WANT SANDWICH

T_T EAT A SANDWICH PLEASE

[Miri1984]

Oooh, woke up to people saying nice things about my fic. I shall enjoy walking around today with a big head *blush*. Thanks guys .

[Magaloo]

RinjiRenee wrote...

ANDERS, HAWKE NOT KIDDING WHEN ASKING IF YOU WANT SANDWICH

T_T EAT A SANDWICH PLEASE

poor Anders can't even make himself a sandwich... not sure what they eat in Darktown anyway.  Templar and cheese must be boring after a while and manwhich just stains his pretty hobo bib

[Rinji the Bearded]

Magaloo wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

ANDERS, HAWKE NOT KIDDING WHEN ASKING IF YOU WANT SANDWICH

T_T EAT A SANDWICH PLEASE

poor Anders can't even make himself a sandwich... not sure what they eat in Darktown anyway.  Templar and cheese must be boring after a while and manwhich just stains his pretty hobo bib

He watches as others eat CATS in darktown, no wonder the poor thing is starving!

*leaves milk on the front porch for the pretty hobo*

[AtreiyaN7]

Aeowyn wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Ninche wrote...

I think if there should be any kiss at the Gallows it should be after you have spared Anders AND protected him from Sebastian - when you have basically put your love for him above everything else, the ending with Anders killing mages should NOT get any kiss - it makes no sense whatsoever! Someone should write to Hepler and demand she swaps the kisses dammit!

I don't think there should be a kiss anywhere, and I get little nauseous when people heavily imply that they will do this end just to get a kiss, especially since it's about 2 seconds long and comes after he makes it obvious that he knows he's turning against his people and he fully expects to die and soon. It's just too much character assassination to go through for something that would be inappropriate under those circumstances to begin with.

Or maybe I'm weird because I don't long for my avatar to be showered with affection at any cost.

No I agree with this. And I'm on the side who don't think that Anders should stay if Hawke chooses to side with the Templars no matter what. It does not make any sense whatsoever. 7 years of making it better for mages and going against the Templars and then he just changes his mind and agrees to kill the mages? Eh. Ok....

Except that in the rivalmance you're constantly questioning Anders and making him doubt himself. I think that in the rivalmance ending Anders may finally see himself as having been manipulated for a good part of the last seven years by Justice/vengeance. If that's the case, I can see him turning his back on the mages and helping to right the wrong he committed, along with accepting that the Circle is necessary (not that I support templars or the Chantry in any way - my personal opinion amounts to "freedom for mages, go-go!"). He did say that the very idea of turning on his people hurt him (or something to that effect).

In the cases of all the companions, you can get them to do things they ordinarily wouldn't do as well, things that run counter to their normal beliefs - like getting Izzy returning with the book or getting Fenris to help you with the mages at the end (when he is clearly quite hostile towards mages and magic in general). With the frienship/rivalry system, you're effectively winning their respect and loyalty, so much so that they will change to a certain degree and follow your lead even when they disagree with you on a fundamental level.

As far as the kissing goes...I didn't really think it would be appropriate in the friendmance ending, largely because even though I was willing to stand by him, the last thing I wanted to do was to snog with Anders immediately after the shock of the Chantry being blown up. The rivalmance kiss...well, I think that's a matter of him expressing his feelings one last time in case he dies. He clearly doesn't want Justice/Vengeance to control him aynmore.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 30 mars 2011 - 08:46 .

[XOGHunter246]

Magaloo wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

ANDERS, HAWKE NOT KIDDING WHEN ASKING IF YOU WANT SANDWICH

T_T EAT A SANDWICH PLEASE

poor Anders can't even make himself a sandwich... not sure what they eat in Darktown anyway.  Templar and cheese must be boring after a while and manwhich just stains his pretty hobo bib

Ratwich? like the way I put that? Maybe don't answer that lol, also remember he is eating for two whatever a spirit may eat guessing justice is fed up of lyrium on a daily basis 

I have a feeling Ser-Pounce-alot got eaten down there somewhere.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 30 mars 2011 - 08:48 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

I go to sleep. I wake up. I eat breakfast, go to class, come back, and there's 22 freaking pages to read.
You guys are going to kill me. KILL ME, I TELL YOU.

[nodice]

Sialater wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

This may be relevant to your interests:

Zero Punctuation Dragon Age II review

@Sialater: I've sorta already decided what my canon playthrough is, so I'm just mucking about with the others. It sorta makes it harder to stick to what I've said I'd do because *technically* it doesn't matter if I balls it up. Just FYI, I watched the Fenris friendmance on Youtube and the dialogue is a tiny bit more interesting. Incase that sways you at all. I can't bring myself to do a rivalmance with Anders, it's heartbreaking enough as it is!

Speaking of, I'm writing some angsty, angsty woe post-game fic. I'll post a link here when it's done.

"Not so much a 'hero's journey' so much as 'The hero piddles around for awhile gobbing off his handsome friend.'" LMAO

"The gay mage fellow." 

I love Yahtzee so much! I'm kinda disappointed though he didn't mention the traveling pant salesman syndrome had been fixed. It sounds like he didn't like the game too much, which I did, but I agree, the ending is just...<_<

And the identical environments, come on guys, distract us with some textures or something, it's not so hard!

I want to see Yahtzee's Hugh Grant Hawke now  <3

[SurelyForth]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Except that in the rivalmance you're constantly questioning Anders and making him doubt himself. I think that in the rivalmance ending Anders may finally see himself as having been manipulated for a good part of the last seven years by Justice/vengeance. If that's the case, I can see him turning his back on the mages and helping to right the wrong he committed, along with accepting that the Circle is necessary (not that I support templars or the Chantry in any way - my personal opinion amounts to "freedom for mages, go-go!"). He did say that the very idea of turning on his people hurt him (or something to that effect).

In the cases of all the companions, you can get them to do things they ordinarily wouldn't do as well, things that run counter to their normal beliefs - like getting Izzy returning with the book or getting Fenris to help you with the mages at the end (when he is clearly quite hostile towards mages and magic in general). With the frienship/rivalry system, you're effectively winning their respect and loyalty, so much so that they will change to a certain degree and follow your lead even when they disagree with you on a fundamental level.

As far as the kissing goes...I didn't really think it would be appropriate in the friendmance ending, largely because even though I was willing to stand by him, the last thing I wanted to do was to snog with Anders immediately after the shock of the Chantry being blown up. The rivalmance kiss...well, I think that's a matter of him expressing his feelings one last time in case he dies. He clearly doesn't want Justice/Vengeance to control him aynmore.

I get that he's turning his back on Vengeance and he thinks that joining was a bad idea and Vengeance took over his body to bomb the Chantry. I can see how rivaling him could be better in the long run, if there was a definitive way for him to keep Justice from ever taking over his body again.

What I don't get is why he is willing to go along with Hawke to join the templars unless the whole point is that he is so completely broken by what has happened that he doesn't trust himself to make decisions, so he hands himself over to Hawke.

And, if that's the case, how is that supposed to not be the most ****ed up thing? That he's been struggling with Justice/Vengeance for his sense of self (because Hawke is telling him to) and, as soon as he does, Hawke tells him to fly in the face of everything he has worked for and the one thing that has mattered the most to him since before they even met and he does it because...Hawke told him to. Isn't it the same trap he just freed himself from, only better for the player because they get to call the shots and make him play for whatever end they want? Doesn't Anders get completely lost in all of this?

Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 mars 2011 - 09:10 .

[Amondra]

Miri1984 wrote...

Oooh, woke up to people saying nice things about my fic. I shall enjoy walking around today with a big head *blush*. Thanks guys .

Well your stories are yum yum  

Also why can't Anders justice out like hulk and his clothes shred?? 

[SidheKate]

Magaloo wrote...
Templar and cheese must be boring after a while and manwhich just stains his pretty hobo bib

Every time you guys refer to his hobo clothes, I hear Edna Mode in my head agreeing to fix the hobo suit (and figure she's to blame for him going all black in Act 3, and not, say, to look like Justice's armor in Awakenings).

[Sialater]

SurelyForth wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Except that in the rivalmance you're constantly questioning Anders and making him doubt himself. I think that in the rivalmance ending Anders may finally see himself as having been manipulated for a good part of the last seven years by Justice/vengeance. If that's the case, I can see him turning his back on the mages and helping to right the wrong he committed, along with accepting that the Circle is necessary (not that I support templars or the Chantry in any way - my personal opinion amounts to "freedom for mages, go-go!"). He did say that the very idea of turning on his people hurt him (or something to that effect).

In the cases of all the companions, you can get them to do things they ordinarily wouldn't do as well, things that run counter to their normal beliefs - like getting Izzy returning with the book or getting Fenris to help you with the mages at the end (when he is clearly quite hostile towards mages and magic in general). With the frienship/rivalry system, you're effectively winning their respect and loyalty, so much so that they will change to a certain degree and follow your lead even when they disagree with you on a fundamental level.

As far as the kissing goes...I didn't really think it would be appropriate in the friendmance ending, largely because even though I was willing to stand by him, the last thing I wanted to do was to snog with Anders immediately after the shock of the Chantry being blown up. The rivalmance kiss...well, I think that's a matter of him expressing his feelings one last time in case he dies. He clearly doesn't want Justice/Vengeance to control him aynmore.

I get that he's turning his back on Vengeance and he thinks that joining was a bad idea and Vengeance took over his body to bomb the Chantry. I can see how rivaling him could be better in the long run, if there was a definitive way for him to keep Justice from ever taking over his body again.

What I don't get is why he is willing to go along with Hawke to join the templars unless the whole point is that he is so completely broken by what has happened that he doesn't trust himself to make decisions, so he hands himself over to Hawke.

And, if that's the case, how is that supposed to be not the most ****ed up thing? That he's been struggling with Justice/Vengeance for his sense of self (because Hawke is telling him to) and, as soon as he does, Hawke tells him to fly in the face of everything he has worked for and the one thing that has mattered the most to him since before they even met and he does it because...Hawke told him to. Isn't it the same trap he just freed himself from, only better for the player because they get to call the shots and make him play for whatever end they want? Doesn't Anders get completely lost in all of this?

"Sweetheart, I'm not going to let you or anyone else tie me up."

[elusivemelody]

This is totally random and I know I'm lame for bringing up U.S. history but Anders reminds me of John Brown, who killed innocents to free the slaves and sparked the Civil War. People argue over whether he was a villain or hero all the time, just like Anders, who killed innocents to free mages and ended up also starting a war. Ugh, I'm such a nerd. Anyway just a thought.

[Miri1984]

@Amondra Mmmm. Hulk shred = naked Anders. Dammit, why didn't we get a naked sex scene? I want to see his unique body model .

@Surely I agree. You can get Merrill to change her mind about the mirror, but she would never voluntarily attack the clan, even though it can be forced on her, the whole way through the battle she is saying things like "this is a nightmare and I want to wake up". Getting Anders to kill the mages, I think, would be similar. Every mage he cut down would kill a little bit more of him. Getting rid of Justice is not worth that cost.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Re: Yahtzee, I'd rather have repeat dungeons than even think about whatever they'd have had to cut in other areas in order to make some 15-30 minute sidequests more visually varied.

Also, you learn where to look for loot Also the caves especially are really nice looking, I don't know what they did differently in Awakening but the areas were much more interestingly designed and told a much stronger story, and I think the same can be said for DA2, repeats and all. So. Yeah.

/off topic

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 30 mars 2011 - 09:09 .

[Ryzaki]

I hope on the rivalry path we can point out to Anders the obscene amount of bloodmages (that he is well aware of being there yet somehow doesn't see that as proving Meredith's point). Because that convo was a bit "....really?" for me.

We save Grace who later repays us by kidnapping Hawke's sibling/LI/Varric/other party member nearly every mage we meet during endgame is a bloodmage and attacks us on sight.

Ugh. The more and more I play this game the more I lean towards the templars point of view. Too much power and too much stupidity on the mages side.  

"I support the mages Meredith!"

"Well we're gonna kidnap your sibling/lover/frien because well....we want freedom from Meredith!" 

...And you didn't just ask because?  I mean...I jus helped his other groups with the exact same issue.

****ing idiots. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 mars 2011 - 09:14 .

[Miri1984]

Re: Yahtzee, it's not a proper game unless he slams it. I adore his reviews. I think the only games he actually likes are Portal and Silent Hill.

His review of The Witcher is... priceless.

ETA @Ryzaki Kirwkall is a special case. The veil is sundered and thin, and mages are much, MUCH more easily possessed there than anywhere else. I also get the impression that demons are making offers left right and centre, and mages are accepting because they're being squished by Meredith. In Ferelden Uldred has to torture the mages for them to become abominations. For days. And days. The situation in Kirkwall is untenable, but it's not just the mages fault by any means.

Modifié par Miri1984, 30 mars 2011 - 09:13 .

[Ryzaki]

Oh yes I loved Yahtzee's review of the Witcher. Glorious. I was laughing the whole time through.

Oddly DA2 review seems to lack a lot of venom. So I guess he found it decent at least.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Miri1984 wrote...

Re: Yahtzee, it's not a proper game unless he slams it. I adore his reviews. I think the only games he actually likes are Portal and Silent Hill.

His review of The Witcher is... priceless.

Haha I'll need to watch it again. He likes Shadow of the Colossus too, IIRC, I think he called it the best game ever or something. If he didn't I'd be amazed.

[DeaHamlet]

Ohhhh my.
I am doing my aggressive blood mage playthrough (I was going to call her evil, but she's just grumpy pants with everyone who keeps wanting her to save them, she's a softie with her friends... and well, she enjoys killing and has no patience with laws and such, lol)...
So I just did Justice, I always leave it at the very very end... and the conversation ended with Hawkette going "The only way this will end is with templars dead" and Anders promising not to disappoint. o.O

I imagine that at that point, Hawke assembles her war council (aka her companions) and talks to them about Meredith needing to be overthrown, by force if nothing else. She explains how many times she's tried to convince Elthina to do something and she either can't or won't... mute point. Hawke has already talked to some nobles and everyone agrees that they need a new viscount.

I imagine a speech along the lines of:
"You all know I'm not interested in power. You know how begrudgingly I became the champion, or as Aveline puts it, I stumbled into it. The only cause I have come to care for is the cause of mages. But right now, right now both mages and this city need Meredith removed. By any means. If she will not submit to the will of the people, she must be removed.
I know not all of you will support me in my ultimate goal to free the mages. But right now I want your support against Meredith. We need to allow the people to choose someone. No, not me. I am a mage and an apostate and not suited for politics and subtlety. You all know me well enough. But someone, anyone, which cannot happen while she is in power."
I see Aveline agreeing as she is mighty angry with the templars and Hawke and her have solved all issues by having Aveline try to beat Hawke up and then both of them laughing at it.
I see Varric sighing but agreeing, I see Merrill agreeing easily. I see Sebastian not even invited, LOL. And then I see Fenris sitting in silence.

Then later at night, Hawke and Fenris will have a fight, argue all night long... Hawke saying that slaves are slaves, regardless of what potential power they have. Showing him how again and again people with little choices are more tempted... and the last thing one should do is make mages even more susceptible to temptation... They'll argue about the Imperium, and Hawke will tell him that the rich and the nobles are always selfish, blind and greedy... mage or no mage. They'll argue about what can be done. It wouldn't be the first fight they had. But eventually Fenris will relent, Meredith must be removed, and something better must be found between the circle and the imperium, something different must be found.

And then the next day is the big fight... and Anders blows up the chantry... and then Hawke asks them all to join her to defend the mages from slaughter... and all the discussion from the previous night will be fresh in everyone's mind and they will stand with Hawke.

Which makes a ton more sense than them just agreeing on the spot.
I wish Hawke could tell Anders "ah well, friend, you did NOT disappoint. There will be many templar corpses littering the streets today."

[ipgd]

SurelyForth wrote...

I get that he's turning his back on Vengeance and he thinks that joining was a bad idea and Vengeance took over his body to bomb the Chantry. I can see how rivaling him could be better in the long run, if there was a definitive way for him to keep Justice from ever taking over his body again.

What I don't get is why he is willing to go along with Hawke to join the templars unless the whole point is that he is so completely broken by what has happened that he doesn't trust himself to make decisions, so he hands himself over to Hawke.

And, if that's the case, how is that supposed to not be the most ****ed up thing? That he's been struggling with Justice/Vengeance for his sense of self (because Hawke is telling him to) and, as soon as he does, Hawke tells him to fly in the face of everything he has worked for and the one thing that has mattered the most to him since before they even met and he does it because...Hawke told him to. Isn't it the same trap he just freed himself from, only better for the player because they get to call the shots and make him play for whatever end they want? Doesn't Anders get completely lost in all of this?

I think that's basically what's happening there.

It's certainly not a very happy ending for Anders, but I don't think it's totally unbelievable. By that point, he's not exactly very stable. I wouldn't want to put him through that myself, but you also have the option to kill him, so it doesn't particularly bother me that "completely and utterly break him and turn him into Ketojan" is a possible outcome I don't have to choose.

It'd definitely be weird if it were there on the friendship path where he's at peace with Justice, but I can see it happening with the mentally-conflicted-completely-****ed-up-Anders in the rival path.