DeaHamlet wrote...
HolyJellyfish wrote...
Also, after watching the Pro-Templar Anders youtube video, he seems to suggest he is committed to dying after what he's been through and what he is prepared to do (turn against the mages).
Again, its a unique turning point that I don't think people should be so quick to attack. RivalAnders doesn't know what he wants anymore, and if it is even his own feelings or Justice's. What he is aware of is that cornered mages DO turn to blood magic in order to survive, and is anyone really willing to support a cause when the only people who survived to support that cause are - in fact - maleficar and abominations?
Its just a thought. Maybe I'm just playing the devil's advocate. I've always prefered the least chosen paths or the 'WTF MAKES NO SENSE' decisions. But that is how I see it justified.
In the end, of the two groups, only the Templars realize they have gone too far and steady their hands. What is left of the mages are the ones people really wouldn't want to associate with anyways. Survival at any cost should never mean selling your soul, and Anders is very aware of that.
When you side with the templars you have no way of knowing where and when the templars will stop.
And if Meredith hadn't been so obsessed as to turn against the champion and get killed, I do not think any mage, whether YOU spared them or not, would have been allowed to survive. And you'd just sit there finding out after the fact what she just did.
Cullen and other templars have been hesitant in Year 7, and make their feelings known. I mean if CULLEN of all templars is actually questioning Meredith, that tells you something.
As far as Meredith goes, I do find her sympathetic. She went to extremes (But look at what Orsino did. They are both rather insane), but she had to see her family the people that she loved slaughtered pointlessly by an uncontrolled abomination who happened to be her sister. And if we've learned anything from Anders's short story that Hepler penned, those kind of rampages are violent, bloody, and unsettling.
Anders knows first hand what he is capable of. I can understand why he would be willing to lean towards the Templars after experiencing the full scope of what Justice will push him towards (Like... blowing up a chantry and dooming ALL MAGES in the process?)
Also if she would have succeeded in killing you, she also would have killed every single mage.
There are some sane templars, but there's also many who cherish the chance to abuse. you meet them over and over again during the game and hear about them.
Yes, metagame, we know that Meredith eventually ends up dead anyway and the champion becomes viscount blah blah.
But that's metagame. In game, Hawke is choosing to continue Meredith's rain. To let her stand unquestioned.
Whether for noble reasons to try to reduce the bloodshed, or because they believe the templars are just (in which case, again, Meredith would have forced Hawke to give her/himself in as an apostate)... Meredith is not challenged by the champion on the templar side. Her reign is being supported by the champion.
Metagame or not, depending on your choices, you either have Sympathy for meredith or you don't. Point in case, its obvious Orsino in Year 7 is letting loose more than a few blood mages and helping with their cause - something that Meredith is wary of and accuses him of doing the entire time.
Yes, there are abusive templars. But for every abusive templar I came across... like... in one scene. Just one actually (From Act 2, when you are saving the Mage girl from Tranquility). Excluding Meredith. There were TEN TIMES more abusive mages. Anders claims that the templars are abusive, we only ever encounter a handful of them. Its all hearsay. However, on the other hand, we encounter so many demons and blood mages it boggles the mind.
And to think Anders so broken as to go along with this? Imagine someone whose motives are that mages are bad, mages should either be put down or put in chains for the power they have... Imagine someone who is that pro-templar and they can STILL get Anders to side with them? That's ****ed up.
Just because some people want to side with Meredith for semi-noble reasons (and knowing metagame wise that either way she dies)... does not mean that everyone's motives are the same. And to think of Anders being by the side of someone SO against mages... it's sick.
Imagine if you did NOT know that Meredith would die either way? If your pro-templar choice lead to Meredith's power remaining unquestioned, or even worse... other circles becoming as vicious on mages as the templars in Kirkwall? I wonder how many would be pro-templar.
It's nice that people want options. I prefer to be a tad pragmatic and think it's all down to... people are moaning they don't get a healer on the templar side. LOL
While Kirkwall's circle is vicious, the other circles throughout Thedas
seem far more lax and good. Hell, most mages prefer them to the outside
world. But Anders / Justice, instead of attacking Kirkwall's circle, is
out to start a world wide revolution that will see the persecution of
mages everywhere who were not involved. No matter how he spins it, that
isn't justified. I feel more at peace knowing Anders realized he went
too far, and likely was pushed to the edge by Justice, and in order to
redeem himself, pay for his mistakes, and safeguard mages outside of
Kirkwall - he must use himself to prove that Templars are needed because
mages are more danger other people than not (Again. Look at what he
/did/ to the chantry). And if anyone should know that simple truth, Its Anders.
That is my feelings on the situation.
I think it can be totally justified, and I really look forward to investing in that playthrough. Had I known it was an option, I would have taken it. I'm sad its bugged.
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