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[Camilladilla]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

At least that would explain why Seb got so mad when the Chantry blew up.

No more GILF sex for poor Seb.

Did anyone else think that that scene was really poorly acted on Sebastian's part?

I sure did!

Also his "No... you'll kill her." line when you meet that Hariman boy trying to crown the elf girl. I had to laugh at how weak and indifferent that delivery was.

[Camilladilla]

ekurian wrote...

It's bedtime for me- keeping up with you guys is hard xD
But anyway, here's the first part of my fic for you:

http://ekurian.devia...g-Ch1-202971365

Daaaw, so fluffy *melts*

[Hellosanta]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
I life of luxury and cheese....

As for the Seb/Elthina pornfic..

Sebastian reached out for Elthina's arm, grasping it tightly and pulling her back into his arms. "You have no idea how long I have yearned for you", he says with a soft whisper. Elthina stares at Sebastian's rippling chest. "We must fight it Sebastian. It's a test from the Maker himself." Sebastian frowns, "Forget about the Maker. I can no longer deny my buring passion!" Sebastian grabs the Grand Cleric's chin and feverishly kisses her...."

"OUCH! That was completely unecessary!"

"Stop stalling you stupid dwarf! Not only does that have nothing to do with the Champion I fear no amount of therapy will erase that image!"

MY EYES. 

Why would you do this?  

Oh god and it continues in my mind! WHY?!?  

...And now I have a SebxElthinaxAnders threesome in my head. 

"Oh, I forgot..."

Ander nibbles Sebastian's bulging shoulder. "I have to admit. I've never done it with a priest before." Sebastian throws a devilish grin towards the apostate. "Well there's a first time for everything..."

"ARGGGHHHHH!"

Don't.

[ekurian]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And on the note of DAO having hard choices? Uh...no. Every major bad decision had a failsafe (or a third option.)

Romancing Alistair sure you had to do the DR but everything else was smooth sailing. Didn't want to be a mistress? Don't make him king. Want to be with him and make him king? Roll a HN or become his mistress.

I life of luxury and cheese....

As for the Seb/Elthina pornfic..

Sebastian reached out for Elthina's arm, grasping it tightly and pulling her back into his arms. "You have no idea how long I have yearned for you", he says with a soft whisper. Elthina stares at Sebastian's rippling chest. "We must fight it Sebastian. It's a test from the Maker himself." Sebastian frowns, "Forget about the Maker. I can no longer deny my buring passion!" Sebastian grabs the Grand Cleric's chin and feverishly kisses her...."

"OUCH! That was completely unecessary!"

"Stop stalling you stupid dwarf! Not only does that have nothing to do with the Champion I fear no amount of therapy will erase that image!"

...you are bad people D: CANNOT UNSEE.

and I don't think my post went through D:!

Anyway, I CAN HAS FIC. ekurian.deviantart.com/art/Wounds-That-Need-Healing-Ch1-202971365

Edit: my post did go through. I can't see /D

Modifié par ekurian, 31 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[mellifera]

Camilladilla wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

At least that would explain why Seb got so mad when the Chantry blew up.

No more GILF sex for poor Seb.

Did anyone else think that that scene was really poorly acted on Sebastian's part?

I sure did!

Also his "No... you'll kill her." line when you meet that Hariman boy trying to crown the elf girl. I had to laugh at how weak and indifferent that delivery was.

Nuuuuuuu...

I die every time. LOL forever.

[Ryzaki]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
"Oh, I forgot..."

Ander nibbles Sebastian's bulging shoulder. "I have to admit. I've never done it with a priest before." Sebastian throws a devilish grin towards the apostate. "Well there's a first time for everything..."

"ARGGGHHHHH!"

D: 

Well Seb/Anders is kind of hot. It's just when you include Elthina.   It's like...she's too motherly. 

It's like HawkexLeandra

Just..

...THE IMAGES OH GOD WHY?!? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 12:55 .

[Camilladilla]

Ryzaki wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
"Oh, I forgot..."

Ander nibbles Sebastian's bulging shoulder. "I have to admit. I've never done it with a priest before." Sebastian throws a devilish grin towards the apostate. "Well there's a first time for everything..."

"ARGGGHHHHH!"

D: 

Well Seb/Anders is kind of hot. It's just when you include Elthina.   It's like...she's too motherly. 

It's like HawkexLeandra

Just..

...THE IMAGES OH GOD WHY?!? 

OH MY GOD I HATE YOU

I stumbled across a LeandraxHawke fic on FFN that had no warnings on it. I am still recovering from that traumatic event.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ryzaki wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
"Oh, I forgot..."

Ander nibbles Sebastian's bulging shoulder. "I have to admit. I've never done it with a priest before." Sebastian throws a devilish grin towards the apostate. "Well there's a first time for everything..."

"ARGGGHHHHH!"

D: 

Well Seb/Anders is kind of hot. It's just when you include Elthina.   It's like...she's too motherly. 

It's like HawkexLeandra

Just..

...THE IMAGES OH GOD WHY?!? 

Yeah, some Seb on Anders action would be hot. It's like, so wrong it's right.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Camilladilla wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...
"Oh, I forgot..."

Ander nibbles Sebastian's bulging shoulder. "I have to admit. I've never done it with a priest before." Sebastian throws a devilish grin towards the apostate. "Well there's a first time for everything..."

"ARGGGHHHHH!"

D: 

Well Seb/Anders is kind of hot. It's just when you include Elthina.   It's like...she's too motherly. 

It's like HawkexLeandra

Just..

...THE IMAGES OH GOD WHY?!? 

OH MY GOD I HATE YOU

I stumbled across a LeandraxHawke fic on FFN that had no warnings on it. I am still recovering from that traumatic event.

You haven't been traumatized until you've read the Dora the Explorer lemon. Oh yes..oh yes..

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 31 mars 2011 - 12:59 .

[leggywillow]

yukidama wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Did anyone else think that that scene was really poorly acted on Sebastian's part?

I sure did!

Also his "No... you'll kill her." line when you meet that Hariman boy trying to crown the elf girl. I had to laugh at how weak and indifferent that delivery was.

Nuuuuuuu...

I die every time. LOL forever.

MAAARRRDDAAAARR!!!

[Hellosanta]

I think .. I should step away from fan fic for some time.

[silver-crescent]

Dora the Explored... *dead*

[Ryzaki]

Camilladilla wrote...
OH MY GOD I HATE YOU

I stumbled across a LeandraxHawke fic on FFN that had no warnings on it. I am still recovering from that traumatic event.

 

What was the title? Don't link it but just for the lulz. 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

silver-crescent wrote...

Dora the Explored... *dead*

Take that horrible thought and multiply it by 100. Then add 2. That's about how terrible it is. And by terrible I mean, no money in the world can pay to have that removed from your brain.

[SurelyForth]

Ryzaki wrote...

And on the note of DAO having hard choices? Uh...no. Every major bad decision had a failsafe (or a third option.)

Romancing Alistair sure you had to do the DR but everything else was smooth sailing. Didn't want to be a mistress? Don't make him king. Want to be with him and make him king? Roll a HN or become his mistress.  You don't want either? Well you have plenty of other choices so suck it up. You want to make sure he remains in a mostly cold marriage? Harden him, marry him to Anora and become his mistress. You even get the benefits of her politically savvy helping rule the country. 
If I wanted to commit US in a romace with Alistair? Leave him at the gates. So on and so forth. There were multiple ways to get what you want. (Within reason. I couldn't get Alistair and my PC to head for Orlais sadly. Despite that being something I would've done.) 

DA2 has too much railroading already. It doesn't need more. (Granted I don't mind Anders not being able to side with templars. I just mind him doing a comple 180 on the rivalry path when you side with mages). 

There were plenty of ways to get happy endings in origins. Doesn't help that all the DR ominousness doesn't seem to affect the PC at all. 

In order to get a happy ending in DAO, you have to metagame the hell out of it. With Alistair, you have to harden him or not make him king. You can get his personal quest very early in the game and, if you don't pick that one line that nobody would ever say to someone they liked, you're kinda screwed at the Landsmeet unless you know what he'll do if you make him king. And making yourself mistress isn't always a choice players want to make, nor is it that obvious an option unless you fiddle around with the conversations and know what to say (there are a few ways to screw it up if you're not careful).

If you spare Loghain, it feels like any other decision that you might be able to persuade your way out of later. But it's not possible. I know a LOT of people who were blindsided by it and really ended up hating Alistair because of that (and, of couse, the public dumping).

As for the US- you have to leave Alistair at the gates if you romance him, but how many people do that unless they know about the ending? Not many. 

And there is no way out of the DR conundrum. You either do it or you don't and, no matter what, Morrigan leaves. 

Same with siding against the mages in the Tower. Wynne will always turn on the Warden there if he announces he's going to kill the mages (and, seriously, Stockholm Syndrome Wynne will lay down her life to defend mages, but...) and she will always turn on you if you destroy the Ashes. 

[mesmerizedish]

Camilladilla wrote...

OH MY GOD I HATE YOU

I stumbled across a LeandraxHawke fic on FFN that had no warnings on it. I am still recovering from that traumatic event.

You weren't even looking?

I have the worst luck <_<

Um, I mean...

[Camilladilla]

Okay, my brain bleach:



By growlybeast

And no, I don't remember the title of the fic, I'm trying to forget it XD

Modifié par Camilladilla, 31 mars 2011 - 01:05 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

OH MY GOD I HATE YOU

I stumbled across a LeandraxHawke fic on FFN that had no warnings on it. I am still recovering from that traumatic event.

You weren't even looking?

I have the worst luck <_<

Um, I mean...

Heh. the site is so messed up right now you can't edit much so I'm honestly not surprised people stumble upon something as horrible as that.XD

[Sjofn]

I assumed the reason all the people who should know way better in the Fade still screw up is because we're in Feynriel's dream, and his being a ... whatever-the-fancy-word-for-it-was makes everything even more murky and hard to resist or whatever, because it feels more "real." I especially didn't fault Fenris for screwing up because he's presumably never even been tempted by a demon before, he doesn't belong in the Fade at all (as he will point out before you go there), and has no idea what being tempted even feels like.

When you talk to your companions about it, they try to explain that it's not just words that swayed them, there was something else that made everything the demon said ring true. It's hard to get because obviously we, the player, are not actually in the Fade and there's not gonna be a gameplay way to get that across, but I never thought "aw man, weaksauce" after that scene, just "man, demons are dicks."

[sassperella]

Ninche wrote...

signcherie wrote...

Ninche wrote...

The whole mages-templars dynamic can be amazingly interesting, even romantic, theoretically. If the templars could exist as a separate entity from the Chantry - something like grey wardens who keep an eye on both the mages and the Chantry and only interfere when there is actual need. Maybe that could be their whole purpose - to serve as peacekeepers who never interfere with any politics supporting one side or the other but sort of work to maintain a just relationship between the two.

Also I would not mind the whole Chantry thing at all if they were all peaceful and loving people. But there is just too much bull**** in their chants for my liking.

I think this is a fabulous idea. I would also add that I think they should take mages among their ranks. I think you need both mages and non-mages to ensure that neither side starts taking too much control again. Just mages regulating themselves--you might get another Tevinter. Just Templars, and you run the risk of another Circle.

Yes! Definitely! You are completely right. In fact, they should form a totally separate body of authority made of templars AND mages - they can work in pairs of a mage and a templar and you will get all those great friendships or romances even this way. They are there to serve as both watchmen and guardians for each other. And they will keep the peace between the Chantry and the Circles.

On a totally separate note, I have to admit when Anders blew up the chantry the first time I reacted all cowardly: I FREAKED OUT. I thought he was a demented evil person and that broke my heart and the whole darkness of the story just really depressed me. But then I THOUGHT about it, and yeah, obviously reached the same conclusion as most people here - I can pretend to be all pro-peace and anti-violence but in that prticular situation that was the worst thing to do - pretending things are okay and ignoring all the injustice. So now that I am fully into the mage revolution I have these fantasies of my Hawkette leading an army of mages against The Chantry. I will create an elite part of my mage army who will all be spirit warriors - with spirits of Justice and Valor and Compassion in them - all glowy eyed and gorgeous! Muahahahaha!

Wow sooo many pages - this was about 20 back. But that is exactly how I felt first playthrough and subsequently. It's something you need to go away and think about once the shock has worn off - poor Hawke doesn't get that option though and has to make a decision straight away - I couldn't kill him and felt bad about it to start with... now he'll never die in my playthrough except for the templar achievement - damn you achievements.

I think the thing is you need to detach yourself from certain recent world events to consider his action within the framework of the game and the world of Thedas. But it will always be a contentious issue among forumites.

[erinblur]

SurelyForth wrote...

 The rest of me just really hates things happening that would not be feasible under any circumstances in order to accommodate players who just want the most power and the most love, story sense be damned. Origins was pretty awesome in that it was willing to ****** players off and commit to it (Alistair leaving if Loghain is spared, Alistair refusing to marry a non-HN because true love doesn't placate the nobility if true love is an elf, a dwarf or a mage, Morrigan always leaving, but especially if you refuse to give her what she wants). DA2 swings a bit too far in the other direction for my liking.

Totally agree with this.  I don't see how it could ever be possible for Anders to willingly fight along side the templars.  It makes absolutely no sense.  Chantry goes boom and suddenly rivalHawke means more to him than the struggle he's been dealing with his entire life?  It cheapens his entire character and means that he has no convictions of his own.  He could probably be persuaded to do anything.  It's as far fetched as if Fenris could be convinced that being a slave isn't so bad, just because Hawke - who has no idea what being a slave is like - says so.  Blech.  It's too extreme and detached from the character that we're given.  We don't hear too much from Anders in DA2 other than his passion for the freedom of mages and his struggle with Justice.  Who is he without that?  I don't know, I'm really disappointed that he can be swayed.  Even if Anders expects to die during or after the fight, what a pathetic way to go.  Starting a war only to betray on his own cause a few hours later?  Just because Hawke asks him to?  I've done both friend and rival romances with Anders.. and I like the idea of the different dynamics, but not at the cost of characters losing their identities.  Ah, well... still love Anders.  I wonder if he'd still side with the templars even if Hawke was at full friendship/romance.  Gawwwsh.  That would be even weirder.

[silver-crescent]

Camilladilla wrote...

Okay, my brain bleach:



By growlybeast

And no, I don't remember the title of the fic, I'm trying to forget it XD

This reminds me of an hilarious (and kind of offensive) youtube comment on the male Hawke x Anders romance scene. Something among the lines of "it makes much more sense for Anders to be this way, it seems to me that the only **** he ever had in his life was Ser Pounce-a-lot" 

[Ryzaki]

SurelyForth wrote...

AndIn order to get a happy ending in DAO, you have to metagame the hell out of it. With Alistair, you have to harden him or not make him king. You can get his personal quest very early in the game and, if you don't pick that one line that nobody would ever say to someone they liked, you're kinda screwed at the Landsmeet unless you know what he'll do if you make him king. And making yourself mistress isn't always a choice players want to make, nor is it that obvious an option unless you fiddle around with the conversations and know what to say (there are a few ways to screw it up if you're not careful).

And would not making Anders constnatly question justice in just the right way be metagaming to an extent? We don't even know how this ending is reached. It may be easy, it maybe hard. We don't know because it's too bugged to tell. Insisting that it's oh so OOC when we haven't even seen the complete ending is reaching. Just like me insisting its perfectly in character without seeing it is reaching. 

If you spare Loghain, it feels like any other decision that you might be able to persuade your way out of later. But it's not possible. I know a LOT of people who were blindsided by it and really ended up hating Alistair because of that (and, of couse, the public dumping).

As for the US- you have to leave Alistair at the gates if you romance him, but how many people do that unless they know about the ending? Not many. 

And there is no way out of the DR conundrum. You either do it or you don't and, no matter what, Morrigan leaves. 

Same with siding against the mages in the Tower. Wynne will always turn on the Warden there if he announces he's going to kill the mages (and, seriously, Stockholm Syndrome Wynne will lay down her life to defend mages, but...) and she will always turn on you if you destroy the Ashes. 

 

Alistair tells you himself if you recruit Loghain he is gone. Anyone who is shocked he leaves after that. Well...I don't know what to tell you. 

Actually the public dumping could be seen a mile away. Alistair constantly eludes to it and if you actually know the kind of person Alistair is (someone who wouldn't want to drag his future wife's name through the muck. Or someone who doesn't want to lead) you'd know making him king and expecting a happy ending isn't gonna happen. I knew better than to make Alistair king with my romanced mages the first runthrough. If someone constantly tells you "I don't want to do this." you can't expect forcing them to do it to end well. He bitterly refers to how his father slept around and reaped no consequences for doing so and expect him do do the same? 

As for the US. Is it that hard to figure out? Alistair himself if you make the suggestion that you take the final blow seems stunned. Again does he really seem the type to let his lover die for him? 

As for DR Morrigan leaves unless you get WH (and romanced her) then you can leave with her. So again. Another third option. As for taking it or not sure she leaves if you refuse her. But at that point why would you? There's no consequences to not refusing her. 

Wynne turns on the Warden (for many reasons other than just killing the mages but I've been in so many Abominable Wynne there just go there because rehashing those argumeents I'm just not in the mood for). Because that is her home yeah. (She doesn't turn on the Warden if he decides to just let them die for whatever reason instead of using the Litany. Or decides to turn all the mages over to the templars. Only saying that you'll kill em all because they deserve to die (or agreeing with morrigan) causes her to attack. (She's also pushy and irritating but I'm not getting into that.) And again. Wynne turns on you sure but let's be honest does she play a truely important part in the story? (not to mention that I tend to kill her in the tower because she throws off my party balance if I don't.) The Fereldan tower was her home. Its where she was since she was a girl. She knew those people since she was children.  The Kirkwall Circle is not Anders' home. Yes he knows some of the mages, yes he's risked life and limb helping some escape. But those are not the people he grew up with. (With the exception of perhaps Mages who were shifted from Circle to Circle). 

Wynne is also a fool. "Let's kill the leader of the armies over a urn." Nice going there. <_< At least Leliana had the excuse that she was devout. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 01:27 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Sjofn wrote...

I assumed the reason all the people who should know way better in the Fade still screw up is because we're in Feynriel's dream, and his being a ... whatever-the-fancy-word-for-it-was makes everything even more murky and hard to resist or whatever, because it feels more "real." I especially didn't fault Fenris for screwing up because he's presumably never even been tempted by a demon before, he doesn't belong in the Fade at all (as he will point out before you go there), and has no idea what being tempted even feels like.

When you talk to your companions about it, they try to explain that it's not just words that swayed them, there was something else that made everything the demon said ring true. It's hard to get because obviously we, the player, are not actually in the Fade and there's not gonna be a gameplay way to get that across, but I never thought "aw man, weaksauce" after that scene, just "man, demons are dicks."

Or it's because the writers didn't have time/couldn't be bothered to play out two scenarios for each character. Whether you had enough points on either side of the scale.

[wildx]

ekurian wrote...

It's bedtime for me- keeping up with you guys is hard xD
But anyway, here's the first part of my fic for you:

http://ekurian.devia...g-Ch1-202971365

Just started watching you because I am so waiting for more.