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[Camilladilla]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

More von Sparklefingers, please!

Ask and ye shall receive. Hansel von Sparklefingers lounges with his brooding rival, Fenris. Oh, and Twix. Can't forget the twix.

AHAHAHA! SO awesome! The Twix just makes it perfect. <3<3<3

I aim to please. Or scar. Either way, really.

Also didn't comment on this but... LOL the twix, it kills me.

[Sjofn]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

I assumed the reason all the people who should know way better in the Fade still screw up is because we're in Feynriel's dream, and his being a ... whatever-the-fancy-word-for-it-was makes everything even more murky and hard to resist or whatever, because it feels more "real." I especially didn't fault Fenris for screwing up because he's presumably never even been tempted by a demon before, he doesn't belong in the Fade at all (as he will point out before you go there), and has no idea what being tempted even feels like.

When you talk to your companions about it, they try to explain that it's not just words that swayed them, there was something else that made everything the demon said ring true. It's hard to get because obviously we, the player, are not actually in the Fade and there's not gonna be a gameplay way to get that across, but I never thought "aw man, weaksauce" after that scene, just "man, demons are dicks."

Or it's because the writers didn't have time/couldn't be bothered to play out two scenarios for each character. Whether you had enough points on either side of the scale.

<shrug> I don't feel the need to call it laziness at every turn, personally.


Also am I the only one on the planet who has zero problem not making Alistair king? I had no idea he dumped your ass until I read it on the boards, because my first two playthroughs, I was like "Oh, you don't want to be king? OK then." And then my third playthrough was a city elf dude who was never ever going to let Anora rule by herself, as her "the last five years? All me!" was not the proof of awesome she probably thought it was to an ELF who has spent his whole life getting pooped on. So while I finally made him king, we were obviously not INVOLVED.

I mean, I know he winds up being a good king, and I always was like "you'd be better than you think" when he'd be all "fuss fuss I don't wanna," but I never felt like I had to make the guy king. Anora is not the nicest lady I've ever met, but my non-city-elf characters seriously see no reason not to let her keep on keepin' on. The "she isn't royalty" thing isn't compelling, not even to my dwarf noble.

[Miri1984]

@Ryzaki I would be absolutely amazed if there is some way the writers could make Anders siding with the Templars remotely believable. We can moan about it all we want because we can't see the ending ourselves, but truly, there is NOTHING I can think of they can do that would make me believe Anders could possibly do that.

[YamiSnuffles]

Man, I leave for a little bit, come back, and people are talking about Seb x Elthina. If I have nightmares tonight, I know who to blame.

[Dunizel]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Man, I leave for a little bit, come back, and people are talking about Seb x Elthina. If I have nightmares tonight, I know who to blame.

Same.
I was just reading a bit before going to sleep. Now I can't, I really can't go to sleep. I'm scared.

[Kawamura]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Man, I leave for a little bit, come back, and people are talking about Seb x Elthina. If I have nightmares tonight, I know who to blame.

I saw that on the kinkmeme, oddly.

You lot are slow to depravity.

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki I would be absolutely amazed if there is some way the writers could make Anders siding with the Templars remotely believable. We can moan about it all we want because we can't see the ending ourselves, but truly, there is NOTHING I can think of they can do that would make me believe Anders could possibly do that.

To each their own is all I say. I just think declaring it massively OOC without seeing it firsthand to be a bit premature. 

It's not something that is completely "...WAT" (like Alistair falling in love with Loghain) to me. Then again. YMMV. 

[Sialater]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki I would be absolutely amazed if there is some way the writers could make Anders siding with the Templars remotely believable. We can moan about it all we want because we can't see the ending ourselves, but truly, there is NOTHING I can think of they can do that would make me believe Anders could possibly do that.

He's completely broken and all he has left is Hawke, as Surely keeps saying.

[leggywillow]

Kawamura wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Man, I leave for a little bit, come back, and people are talking about Seb x Elthina. If I have nightmares tonight, I know who to blame.

I saw that on the kinkmeme, oddly.

You lot are slow to depravity.

Yeah, I figured that had to exist already.  If HawkexGamlen fic does... ::shudder::

[Camilladilla]

Kawamura wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Man, I leave for a little bit, come back, and people are talking about Seb x Elthina. If I have nightmares tonight, I know who to blame.

I saw that on the kinkmeme, oddly.

You lot are slow to depravity.

I just posted that one unless you're talking about another? XD

Modifié par Camilladilla, 31 mars 2011 - 01:28 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ryzaki wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki I would be absolutely amazed if there is some way the writers could make Anders siding with the Templars remotely believable. We can moan about it all we want because we can't see the ending ourselves, but truly, there is NOTHING I can think of they can do that would make me believe Anders could possibly do that.

To each their own is all I say. I just think declaring it massively OOC without seeing it firsthand to be a bit premature. 

It's not something that is completely "...WAT" (like Alistair falling in love with Loghain) to me. Then again. YMMV. 

I'll reserve judgment until I see it.  I CAN see an Anders who's rivalried being frustrated and guilty and upset enough to give up; after all, he does drop the cause of mage freedom between Act 2 and Act 3 because he's convinced he's a monster.  Still sad, though.

Also, why is it that the decent guys (Nate, Seb) always turn into creepy stalker rapists on the kink meme?  *is confuzzled*

[Ryzaki]

I don't know....

Why would anyone make someone as awesome as Nate a stalker I can't understand.

[Miri1984]

Ryzaki wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki I would be absolutely amazed if there is some way the writers could make Anders siding with the Templars remotely believable. We can moan about it all we want because we can't see the ending ourselves, but truly, there is NOTHING I can think of they can do that would make me believe Anders could possibly do that.

To each their own is all I say. I just think declaring it massively OOC without seeing it firsthand to be a bit premature. 

It's not something that is completely "...WAT" (like Alistair falling in love with Loghain) to me. Then again. YMMV. 

I'm declaring it massively OOC based on what I've seen of his character through Awakenings and DA2. And I've watched all of the rivalmance dialogue, listened to all of the banter, and spent countless hours delving into his character for my own selfish reasons. I just can't see it happening, unless, as someone has said, what Hawke does to him completely and utterly breaks him so he is for all intents and purposes, no longer Anders any more.

Oh, and ETA even the broken ending wouldn't work, because it would have to happen in about three seconds. He blows up the Chantry, and a minute later decides it's ok to side with Templars? If you had a couple of days to break him, maybe. It happens in under a minute.

Modifié par Miri1984, 31 mars 2011 - 01:31 .

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...

I'm declaring it massively OOC based on what I've seen of his character through Awakenings and DA2. And I've watched all of the rivalmance dialogue, listened to all of the banter, and spent countless hours delving into his character for my own selfish reasons. I just can't see it happening, unless, as someone has said, what Hawke does to him completely and utterly breaks him so he is for all intents and purposes, no longer Anders any more.

Again the dialogue is bugged. So please tell me how you got to the bugged dialogue where he admits it was Vengance? 

Please I want to see how you managed to get it. Or the youtube that has it. 

According to Ms. Hepler he blames the bomb on Vengance. Every single Vid I've seen (including the game) has him blaming himself. 

So please show me where this dialogue you've seen is? 

I know the forced dev console vid but that doesn't show him saying it was Vengeance's decision to do the bomb and not him. (Heck it doesn't even show the blowing up the Chantry bit). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 01:33 .

[Dunizel]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Also, why is it that the decent guys (Nate, Seb) always turn into creepy stalker rapists on the kink meme?  *is confuzzled*

Because the more they look repressed, the more they inspire.

Although Nate didn't give me that impression, but oh well xD

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't know....

Why would anyone make someone as awesome as Nate a stalker I can't understand.

Exactly, I imagine he had tons of fun in the Free Marches tbh before Amaranthine.

Modifié par Dunizel, 31 mars 2011 - 01:32 .

[ipgd]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki I would be absolutely amazed if there is some way the writers could make Anders siding with the Templars remotely believable. We can moan about it all we want because we can't see the ending ourselves, but truly, there is NOTHING I can think of they can do that would make me believe Anders could possibly do that.

It's not that hard to believe, honestly, if you see just how mentally unstable he is on the rivalry path. At that point, it's pretty clear he's not in the state of mind to be making any sort rational decision. It's certainly not a very pleasant outcome for Anders, but I can see how he could get there. Depressing, but possible.

[Kawamura]

leggywillow wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Man, I leave for a little bit, come back, and people are talking about Seb x Elthina. If I have nightmares tonight, I know who to blame.

I saw that on the kinkmeme, oddly.

You lot are slow to depravity.

Yeah, I figured that had to exist already.  If HawkexGamlen fic does... ::shudder::

I keep hoping more people will do Justice/Anders.

[Ryzaki]

Urgh I hate when my posts won't show up and I want to edit them.

[Kawamura]

Camilladilla wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Man, I leave for a little bit, come back, and people are talking about Seb x Elthina. If I have nightmares tonight, I know who to blame.

I saw that on the kinkmeme, oddly.

You lot are slow to depravity.

I just posted that one unless you're talking about another? XD

I think I saw another one. But they all kinda blend together.

[Miri1984]

Ryzaki wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I'm declaring it massively OOC based on what I've seen of his character through Awakenings and DA2. And I've watched all of the rivalmance dialogue, listened to all of the banter, and spent countless hours delving into his character for my own selfish reasons. I just can't see it happening, unless, as someone has said, what Hawke does to him completely and utterly breaks him so he is for all intents and purposes, no longer Anders any more.

Again the dialogue is bugged. So please tell me how you got to the bugged dialogue where he admits it was Vengance? 

Please I want to see how you managed to get it. Or the youtube that has it. 

According to Ms. Hepler he blames the bomb on Vengance. Every single Vid I've seen (including the game) has him blaming himself. 

So please show me where this dialogue you've seen is? 

Even if he mentions it was Vengeance who planted the bomb, and I know that dialogue exists, that still doesn't explain how he could side with the Templars. The bomb isn't the issue. I can see him being broken about that being a terrible thing to have done. I can see him agreeing with Hawke that he is irrational, controlled and dangerous. But in no way can I see that transforming into "I will now help you kill mages". 

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...
Even if he mentions it was Vengeance who planted the bomb, and I know that dialogue exists, that still doesn't explain how he could side with the Templars. The bomb isn't the issue. I can see him being broken about that being a terrible thing to have done. I can see him agreeing with Hawke that he is irrational, controlled and dangerous. But in no way can I see that transforming into "I will now help you kill mages". 

Alrighty then. 

The dialogue you've never seen can't possibly justify him siding with the templars. 

And this reminds me of why I don't try to get into this discussion, my bizzare self can't explain things well. 

It doesn't have to be "I will help you kill mages" as much as "I don't trust myself to make good decisions right now so I'll go along with whatever you say." 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 01:39 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Kawamura wrote...

I keep hoping more people will do Justice/Anders.

The thought of this makes me laugh way more than it should. It is kind of begging to be written though. What with how they have the most super intimate relationship ever.

[ipgd]

Miri1984 wrote...

Even if he mentions it was Vengeance who planted the bomb, and I know that dialogue exists, that still doesn't explain how he could side with the Templars. The bomb isn't the issue. I can see him being broken about that being a terrible thing to have done. I can see him agreeing with Hawke that he is irrational, controlled and dangerous. But in no way can I see that transforming into "I will now help you kill mages".

I imagine he hasn't actually realized what he's agreeing to do on account of mental instability, or he's really so broken that he's deferring to Hawke 100%.

[Miri1984]

Ryzaki wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...
Even if he mentions it was Vengeance who planted the bomb, and I know that dialogue exists, that still doesn't explain how he could side with the Templars. The bomb isn't the issue. I can see him being broken about that being a terrible thing to have done. I can see him agreeing with Hawke that he is irrational, controlled and dangerous. But in no way can I see that transforming into "I will now help you kill mages". 

Alrighty then. 

The dialogue you've never seen can't possibly justify him siding with the templars. 

In a word, yes. I can't see how they can manage it. If they do, I will be forced to admit I'm wrong. And I'm quite happy to do that, it happens often.

[Tasmen]

Miri1984 wrote...
 But in no way can I see that transforming into "I will now help you kill mages". 

That x 1000.  That is such a HUGE break in character for me.

Yes, I know, we haven't seen the non-bugged stuff, but I am having a hard time reconciling how any of it  can possible justify that particular change in Anders.  I mean I get it, people change.  But do they change on something quite as fundamental as that to their character?  I am not so sure.