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[DeaHamlet]

Hehehehe, this thread makes trying to escape the gutter impossible.

I think I just... give up. I'm going to ignore the whole templar siding mess because right now if I take it seriously, I can't possibly find any respect left for Anders. When it's properly shown in all its glory, including the conversation that makes Anders side with Hawke pro-templar and what it entails (since he does sound pretty damn suicidal in that video...)... then I will judge it for what it is.

And probably still freaking ignore it because Anders/Vengeance in my mind is a lot worthier of respect and admiration in my head canon than with all this mess.
In the end, I mostly friend companions anyway. I have done rivalry with Fenris because it seems natural... we don't agree about mages... but when it comes to his personal battles and dilemmas, we have a ton in common. I have done rivalry with Aveline because I played a rather aggressive Hawkette and Aveline does not agree with "whatever means necessary". I still helped her, I still supported her in all endeavours. I just was maybe not always as smooth as she had liked me to be. Not once did I tell these people to go against their desires and natures, we just didn't agree on some issues but agreed on many others.
So I'm not the best person to judge all this being antagonistic and telling people what they want is wrong business. It's not my approach in general.

[Kawamura]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I keep hoping more people will do Justice/Anders.

The thought of this makes me laugh way more than it should. It is kind of begging to be written though. What with how they have the most super intimate relationship ever.

Pretty much. Just what Anders needs: Justice taking over his sexuality as well.

That doesn't seem very fair.

I would like to imagine it as Anders takes over Justice's sexuality... or lack there of. First Anders teaches Justice to hate and now he teaches him to love!

... Okay, I'm going to stop thinking about this or joking about this before it breaks some part of my brain,

Nah. It would just be Justice going "no. D<"

And my brain is already broken. Haven't slept more than five hours in the last 60 or so. Or more. I'm not sureally.

[Lady Jess]

Sylph_14 wrote...



Dunno if this has been linked before, it's impossible for me to keep up with this thread XD But I remember Anders' line when Hawke falls in combat being mentioned like, 150 pages ago or so, and a friend of mine linked me the youtube video with it.

First time I got it in-game, he sounded so freaked out that I actually felt guilty ;[

Ok I may only ever play on easy...

[Ryzaki]

I personally see Anders lost a lot of respect from my characters when he placed a bomb in the Chantry and used them to do it.

If he wants to kill a large amount of people go ahead. But don't try to blackmail my Hawke into helping him.

He makes me feel so conflicted. At times I just want to tranquil him (sadly I can't because of Justice) and others I want to give him a hug. 

Gah! 

As for Alistair never getting married: NOw that I saw as stupid. It's the reason I became a mistress in the first place you moron*strangles Alistair* Why must you insist on ruining my plans! 

Now the throne in Fereldan is going to be up in the air because Anora refuses to marry anyone and Alistair refuses. GAH. Makes me want to slap both of them upside the head. 

As for heirs. I don't see Anora appointing anyone her heir and Alistair...who does he really know young enough to take his place? 

Bah. Bah I say. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 02:01 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sylph_14 wrote...



Dunno if this has been linked before, it's impossible for me to keep up with this thread XD But I remember Anders' line when Hawke falls in combat being mentioned like, 150 pages ago or so, and a friend of mine linked me the youtube video with it.

First time I got it in-game, he sounded so freaked out that I actually felt guilty ;[

I hadn't heard that yet, because if things are going south, Anders usually falls before my zillion HP blood mage Hawke 

But oh god, the desperation in his voice...

[Kawamura]

Ryzaki wrote...

I personally see Anders lost a lot of respect from my characters when he placed a bomb in the Chantry and used them to do it.

If he wants to kill a large amount of people go ahead. But don't try to blackmail my Hawke into helping him.

He makes me feel so conflicted. At times I just want to tranquil him (sadly I can't because of Justice) and others I want to give him a hug. 

Gah! 

...

You want to tranquil him? I feel a bit -- we're being hyperbolic, right?

Or engaging in hyperbole. I don't know how to say that without sounding like I've dropped back into introductory analysis. (Called Intro to Anal on my report card back at my Catholic high school, i might add, one of the best things ever. )

[Ryzaki]

Kawamura wrote...
...

You want to tranquil him? I feel a bit -- we're being hyperbolic, right?

Or engaging in hyperbole. I don't know how to say that without sounding like I've dropped back into introductory analysis. (Called Intro to Anal on my report card back at my Catholic high school, i might add, one of the best things ever. )

I'd tranquil him with some characters if the option was possible yes. He wouldn't be a matyr, he wouldn't get the death he desired, and he'd become a symbol of what happens to rebel mages. Executing him is too much of a favor. 

It's the ultimate insult as well as a display of how the Chantry treats those who threaten it's power. 

This is pro-chantry characters though of which I have very few. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 02:03 .

[Lady Jess]

SurelyForth wrote...

Seriously though, you are completely missing the point I am making. The Gallows, which is a physical place, houses the Circle. The mages in there are not the ones who are destroying Kirkwall, but they are the ones that you are convincing Anders to kill. Those mages in Kirkwall are going to be killed no matter what if Hawke happens over them.

(Although there is a group of templars and mages fighting and, depending on which side you choose, you fight the other and I'm pretty sure none of those mages are blood mages).

Anyway, the Circle is full of mages that have not escaped. They are imprisoned and Meredith wants to kill them because Anders blew up the Chantry. That's it. That's their crime. Until the templars show up with the intent to kill them, they do not resort to any sorts of blood magic that I can see. If Hawke sides with them, only Orsino goes that far.

I'm not saying that every mage is good, or that every mage that was ever in the Circle is good. I am saying that the mages in the Gallows that Hawke attacks with the templars are not guilty of anything more than being mages and, then, not wanting to die. A Hawke who helped Anders, which you have to be in order to finish the romance with him, is far more to blame than any of those mages. And yet s/he gets handsomely rewarded in the end, and Anders is, apparently, free, too. Which makes him, and I mean this, either horrifically broken by Hawke or one of the worst people ever.

What SHE said!



Anders hears the halleluia chorus...

[SurelyForth]

Ryzaki wrote...

I personally see Anders lost a lot of respect from my characters when he placed a bomb in the Chantry and used them to do it.

If he wants to kill a large amount of people go ahead. But don't try to blackmail my Hawke into helping him.

He makes me feel so conflicted. At times I just want to tranquil him (sadly I can't because of Justice) and others I want to give him a hug. 

Gah. Why don't you just kill him? Why would you want to do the one thing he fears most? 

[upsettingshorts]

SurelyForth wrote...

Why would you want to do the one thing he fears most?

Justice!

[DeaHamlet]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Sylph_14 wrote...



Dunno if this has been linked before, it's impossible for me to keep up with this thread XD But I remember Anders' line when Hawke falls in combat being mentioned like, 150 pages ago or so, and a friend of mine linked me the youtube video with it.

First time I got it in-game, he sounded so freaked out that I actually felt guilty ;[

I hadn't heard that yet, because if things are going south, Anders usually falls before my zillion HP blood mage Hawke 

But oh god, the desperation in his voice...

I was going to try and see what he says just as a full friendship not romanced, but I cannot die before him!
Damn it, blood mages are insane and I'm not even specced perfectly to take advantage of it.(still have lots of mana and only use blood magic for a longer battle or if I want to speed things along)

Alas, not sure what playthrough I'm doing next, but probably not Anders romance because the man makes me forget all others and I must finish warrior/Merrill at least!

[Kawamura]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kawamura wrote...
...

You want to tranquil him? I feel a bit -- we're being hyperbolic, right?

Or engaging in hyperbole. I don't know how to say that without sounding like I've dropped back into introductory analysis. (Called Intro to Anal on my report card back at my Catholic high school, i might add, one of the best things ever. )

I'd tranquil him with some characters if the option was possible yes. He wouldn't be a matyr, he wouldn't get the death he desired, and he'd become a symbol of what happens to rebel mages. Executing him is too much of a favor. 

It's the ultimate insult as well as a display of how the Chantry treats those who threaten it's power. 

This is pro-chantry characters though of which I have very few. 

Yeah, but.

Human decency and all.

[Lady Jess]

Ryzaki wrote...

I personally see Anders lost a lot of respect from my characters when he placed a bomb in the Chantry and used them to do it.

If he wants to kill a large amount of people go ahead. But don't try to blackmail my Hawke into helping him.

He makes me feel so conflicted. At times I just want to tranquil him (sadly I can't because of Justice) and others I want to give him a hug. 

Gah! 

As for Alistair never getting married: NOw that I saw as stupid. It's the reason I became a mistress in the first place you moron*strangles Alistair* Why must you insist on ruining my plans! 

Now the throne in Fereldan is going to be up in the air because Anora refuses to marry anyone and Alistair refuses. GAH. Makes me want to slap both of them upside the head. 

As for heirs. I don't see Anora appointing anyone her heir and Alistair...who does he really know young enough to take his place? 

Bah. Bah I say. 

This obviously does not matter, or was planned that way by the writers for future story reasons.

[ipgd]

SurelyForth wrote...

Gah. Why don't you just kill him? Why would you want to do the one thing he fears most?

That would probably be the point, provided you're roleplaying a colossal jerkass.

[mesmerizedish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Why would you want to do the one thing he fears most?

Justice!

[Ryzaki]

SurelyForth wrote...
Gah. Why don't you just kill him? Why would you want to do the one thing he fears most? 

Because it's in character for some of my Hawkes. They refuse to let him become a martyr. So they do that instead. 

Granted it's proably not possible due to Justice but it's still IC for some of my Hawkes. Just like some had a puppet Alistair on the throne, some executed him, some let him marry Anora and let Loghain die killing the archedemon. 

Being a fav character of mine means you're probably gonna suffer.  

Upsettingshorts wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Why would you want to do the one thing he fears most?

Justice!

LMAO

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 02:06 .

[DeaHamlet]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kawamura wrote...
...

You want to tranquil him? I feel a bit -- we're being hyperbolic, right?

Or engaging in hyperbole. I don't know how to say that without sounding like I've dropped back into introductory analysis. (Called Intro to Anal on my report card back at my Catholic high school, i might add, one of the best things ever. )

I'd tranquil him with some characters if the option was possible yes. He wouldn't be a matyr, he wouldn't get the death he desired, and he'd become a symbol of what happens to rebel mages. Executing him is too much of a favor. 

It's the ultimate insult as well as a display of how the Chantry treats those who threaten it's power. 

This is pro-chantry characters though of which I have very few. 

I... don't... even... Oh my.
You really do hate him, don't you?

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Even Yahtzee realized you can't fight Anders' alluring pull.XD

www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2978-Dragon-Age-II

Warning, insinuates male on male love.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 31 mars 2011 - 02:07 .

[Ryzaki]

Again no. I torture all the characters I love.

I love them. Which means I love them happy, I love them in love and I love them sad and broken and a shell of what they once where.



I love the characters and I love watching breakdowns. It's a win win. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 02:08 .

[Threeparts]

So. Completely off topic for the current conversation, but anything to divert another Friendship/Rivalry discussion, right?

Something I was thinking about was one of the banters that Aveline and Anders shared:

Anders: Your husband agrees with me.
Aveline: About what?
Anders: He thinks the knight-commander's mad. He told me she's gone behind your back to investigate guardsmen she suspects as secret mages.
Aveline: Even if that were true, he wouldn't tell you.
Anders: He won't fight for her when the time comes. Would you turn against your own husband?
Aveline: I don't know if you're lying or crazy.

Don't jump down my throat here, fellow Fanders, but... what if we found out that Anders was, indeed, lying? Or if his paranoia was worse than we've given him credit for?

His year in solitary, his story of the possessed cat, his belief that Alrik was a sexual sadist, his claims of being part of the mage underground: what if they were all either lies or delusions? What if we found out that he lied about his past just like Emile de Launcet in order to gain attention and infamy that was undeserved? Or that he actually believes the things he says due to grandiose or persecutory delusions?

What other things could he theoretically be lying about? If we start from the idea that nothing he says can be trusted without secondary confirmation, how does that change the character?

Modifié par Threeparts, 31 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[Miri1984]

@Ryzaki I think making him tranquil would make him even MORE of a martyr to mages, since they fear being made tranquil over being killed. "He did this terrible thing, and the Chantry didn't even have the decency to kill him for his crime the way they would a non-mage. Instead they added insult to injury and made him forget all he was."

[DeaHamlet]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Even Yahtzee realized you can't fight Anders' alluring pull.XD

www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2978-Dragon-Age-II

Warning, insinuates male on male love.

Yahtzee is so awesome!  *chuckles* 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Man, I leave for a little bit, come back, and people are talking about Seb x Elthina. If I have nightmares tonight, I know who to blame.

I can read you all a bedtime story. Chapter one of "A mage and a priest walk into a bar and suddenly they're naked."

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Ryzaki I think making him tranquil would make him even MORE of a martyr to mages, since they fear being made tranquil over being killed. "He did this terrible thing, and the Chantry didn't even have the decency to kill him for his crime the way they would a non-mage. Instead they added insult to injury and made him forget all he was."

Perhaps. Perhaps not. 

It's a lot easier to make a hero out of someone who was executed instead of someone who was made a broken obediant slave. 

Especially when the latter will probably say how right the Chantry was and how he shouldn't have done what he did. While the former will say he had no regrets. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 mars 2011 - 02:11 .

[Sylph_14]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Sylph_14 wrote...



Dunno if this has been linked before, it's impossible for me to keep up with this thread XD But I remember Anders' line when Hawke falls in combat being mentioned like, 150 pages ago or so, and a friend of mine linked me the youtube video with it.

First time I got it in-game, he sounded so freaked out that I actually felt guilty ;[

I hadn't heard that yet, because if things are going south, Anders usually falls before my zillion HP blood mage Hawke 

But oh god, the desperation in his voice...

I know It's some damn good voice acting, made me go all lip-wobbley

Modifié par Sylph_14, 31 mars 2011 - 02:11 .