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[panamakira]

Rival-mance is the way to go yo! I think all characters are messed up and benefit from rivalry.

lol.....I want to kiss you but "You're Wrong!"

[Kim Shepard]

I thought DA2 had a lot of humor... but I guess that depends on everyone's own sense of humor. I didn't think Alistair and Zevran were that funny.

leggywillow wrote...

TripLight wrote...

Jaulen wrote...

At the end...if you spare his life and you go the romantic route and Anders says something about kids....all I could think was....No one must have told Anders that Grey Wardens have a really hard time having kids.....

Or he knows and is trying to pull one over on the Lady Hawkes heartstrings again.

Or having Justice inside him, then going "Vengence ON" might have taken care of that. I mean in the mini stories that the LI's were announced with, he was impaled with a sword and survived that. Could be true, could be just me and my wishful thinking.

You have inadvertently given me the worst mental images EVER.  Now I am picturing tiny sperm yelling "VENGEANCE!" in tiny Justice-y voices.  >_<

I thought Anders might be able to have children just because having a spirit inside him might change something that the darkspawn blood caused (seems possible if a spirit could keep Wynne alive when she would have died, anyway), but that image... I hadn't thought of that. xD I almost laughed out loud.

tallon1982 wrote...

Lol ah the reaction I wanted I do have to wonder about that though. If Hawke did have a child what would be the chances of Justice just taking the child over...That would be scary to me. There has to be some way to get rid of Justice without harming Anders. I mean at the end of DAO it is possible to get the ending where Shale says she's going with Wynne to Tevinter to see if they can change her back to being a dwarf. If that's possible why not save Anders in a similar fashion? Besides I'd prefer non possessed children and no worries about them being possessed either.

After the last time Anders/Hawke children were brought up, I started thinking about what the children of my FemHawke (and the others too) would be like. The son became a willing host for Justice after Anders died.

[Sarah1281]

Why would a hypothetical child of Anders who saw that Justice was corrupted and slowly but surely driving Anders mad willingly undergo that himself?

[Kim Shepard]

It's all a matter of perspective, really. The same way a lot of people hate that Anders blew up the Chantry, and a lot of people like it. The son I imagined for them is equally dedicated to the cause, and with his mother and father gone, Justice was the only "guardian" figure he had left.

[leggywillow]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You know, I WAS planning on trying to romance Fenris with my second playthrough but now I really really want to try the rivalry romance.

I'm really pumped about my rivalry romance.  I haven't done it yet.  I'm halfway through Act 2 of my 3rd playthrough.  Yikes, how sad is that?  The game's only been out for a week.  Still, I did rush through the 1st playthrough just to see what happened, and I used the 2nd one to simply mess around and make outlandish choices.  I've barely begun playing this game.  ::facepalm::  I am a sad person.

ANYWAY.  Rival-mance.  I'm excited about it, but I think it's going to hurt a lot more than the friend-mance.  Seeing how Justice comes out when you prod him too much... it's chilling.  It really is.

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Kim Shepard wrote...
I thought Anders might be able to have
children just because having a spirit inside him might change something
that the darkspawn blood caused (seems possible if a spirit could keep
Wynne alive when she would have died, anyway)

I hadn't really thought about it like that.  If a spirit could literally keep Wynne alive, it seems like a spirit could easily boost lagging fertility as well.  Hmm.

I still don't want to get my hopes up, though, partly because I feel like it's a fangirl cliche (that I'm so guilty of, but I try to pretend I have some dignity, LOL).

Modifié par leggywillow, 16 mars 2011 - 05:10 .

[Adynata]

Jaulen wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

To be honest. I completely saw where Anders was coming from. The Templars get away with so much ****. All the mages want to do is be free, not caged like monsters. Because of this they run away and when cornered, despite everything else turn to the forbidden arts because of the small chance they will get away. While I am upset her grace died, Anders will always have my support in blowing up the chantry. How can you revolt when one refuses to take the first step.

I was thinking about the whole thing with the haters saying Anders is a terrorist....and all I could think is...well wouldn't you become a terrorist too if you were being mistreated by the **** Templars? I mean...people who think "Oh, Anders is sooo bad! he blew up a chantry and killed some people..." think what the templars are doing
1) taking away a mage's free will, against their will and with little provocation (tranquil anyone?)
2) imprisoning them, remember it's stated that the mages are kept locked in their rooms
3) Raping and beating them, this is mentioned a lot.
4) Even going so far as to exectute them with little to no evidence, and no trial

So, to me, people who totally agree with the templars, and can't see it from the other side, are supporters of totalitarian governments and no personal freedoms, and guilty until presumeed innocent. Wow....I'd SOOOO love to live in a world like that. I'd become a terrorist (freedom fighter) too.

Not to mention that Flemeth sort of says something along the lines of standing at the precipice of change and being willing to take the leap to see if you can fly.

[Miri1984]

I'm not doing the rival romance. Not for a while any way. I can't see any of my Hawke's countenancing sending mages to the Circle, not with her father and her sister being mages if she isn't one herself. And not just mages, apostates who actively avoided the circle. It doesn't make sense for Hawke to disagree with Anders. And he doesn't do anything weird or outlandish until, you know, the big thing. All of his efforts to free mages before that are kind, he never tries to stop you from killing blood mages and he's basically far, far more reasonable about stuff than he has any right to be, considering.

I think the game is skewed to make you feel sympathy for the mages from the beginning.

[Kim Shepard]

I've been trying to come up with reasons for some of my Hawkes to not support the mages, and the best thing I managed to think of so far is a non-mage Hawke who hates having to live in hiding because she has family members who are mages. Or a non-mage Hawke who has seen how dangerous magic can be firsthand. It'll be hard to not support the mages though, even though there is one templar that I like. (Okay, it's a templar who's doubting the templar way, and the first thing I noticed about him was how much he looks like a character of mine. But he's still a templar!)

leggywillow wrote...

ANYWAY.  Rival-mance.  I'm excited about it, but I think it's going to hurt a lot more than the friend-mance.  Seeing how Justice comes out when you prod him too much... it's chilling.  It really is.

If only Justice would come out at times when he doesn't want to make an objection... My FemHawke agrees with them, so she probably won't see as much of Justice as I would like. Oh well, at least there's that mission in the Fade.

I hadn't really thought about it like that.  If a spirit could literally keep Wynne alive, it seems like a spirit could easily boost lagging fertility as well.  Hmm.

I still don't want to get my hopes up, though, partly because I feel like it's a fangirl cliche (that I'm so guilty of, but I try to pretend I have some dignity, LOL).

I thought Anders actually used the word "children" though? But I'm not sure about the context. I'm still in Act 1 and reading lots of spoilers. xD Even if we don't get to see any of their children in-game, I'll plan it out until something else really contradicts it.

[crotti]

Miri1984 wrote...

I'm not doing the rival romance. Not for a while any way. I can't see any of my Hawke's countenancing sending mages to the Circle, not with her father and her sister being mages if she isn't one herself. And not just mages, apostates who actively avoided the circle. It doesn't make sense for Hawke to disagree with Anders. And he doesn't do anything weird or outlandish until, you know, the big thing. All of his efforts to free mages before that are kind, he never tries to stop you from killing blood mages and he's basically far, far more reasonable about stuff than he has any right to be, considering.

I think the game is skewed to make you feel sympathy for the mages from the beginning.

I agree. I have no idea why Hawke would do this to the other mages (and his/her sister).
Especially if Hawke herself is a mage. "Hey I'm also a mage but the templar armor is cool so I'll send you back to the Circle to help the templars. You'll be punished for running away while I sit in my family's estate and talk about enchantments."

Modifié par crotti, 16 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[Sarah1281]

I was kind of surprised when I got some rivalry points right off the bat because I called Anders' possession weird. I mean, that may not be polite but given that he's an abomination now that was probably understating it. Though I don't think I'll side with the templars at the end, I think I can find enough 'Oh my God, why are these mages so stupid with the demons and the blood magic' to really get a rivalry going.

[Raiil]

crotti wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I'm not doing the rival romance. Not for a while any way. I can't see any of my Hawke's countenancing sending mages to the Circle, not with her father and her sister being mages if she isn't one herself. And not just mages, apostates who actively avoided the circle. It doesn't make sense for Hawke to disagree with Anders. And he doesn't do anything weird or outlandish until, you know, the big thing. All of his efforts to free mages before that are kind, he never tries to stop you from killing blood mages and he's basically far, far more reasonable about stuff than he has any right to be, considering.

I think the game is skewed to make you feel sympathy for the mages from the beginning.

I agree. I have no idea why Hawke would do this to the other mages (and his/her sister).
Especially if Hawke herself is a mage. "Hey I'm also a mage but the templar armor is cool so I'll send you back to the Circle to help the templars. You'll be punished for running away while I sit in my family's estate and talk about enchantments."

They could really hate their sister- or how constantly running throughout their children has made Hawke bitter as all hell. I'm playing a templar-friendly rogue next, since I have to sully my soul to get all the cheevos, and that's pretty much her take on things. Mother and father ruined her life by constantly moving them around- in her eyes to protect their father, who is dead, and Bethany, who is a pita. This will be my mage-free playthrough.... I'm going to have to revive insane fem Hawke after this and make woobie faces at Anders to feel better about myself. XD

[MsKehoe]

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been about a week since I finished the game, but I think he says the same thing about children to my m!Hawke. So, either it's more a blanket term or Justice/Vengeance defies basic biology. /D8\\

[crotti]

Bethany the pita

[Kim Shepard]

MsKehoe wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been about a week since I finished the game, but I think he says the same thing about children to my m!Hawke. So, either it's more a blanket term or Justice/Vengeance defies basic biology. /D8

O_O Wow. Well, there is the possibility that there was a glitch too. I got the quests for both saving Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine, when it's impossible to do both in a single playthrough (and I only had one playthrough). I also got the werewolf quest in a playthrough that's only an Awakening import. Also, my female Orlesian Warden apparently changed genders between games because someone called her "he."

[Sarah1281]

Don't judge?

[leggywillow]

Kim Shepard wrote...
I thought Anders actually used the word "children" though? But I'm not sure about the context. I'm still in Act 1 and reading lots of spoilers. xD Even if we don't get to see any of their children in-game, I'll plan it out until something else really contradicts it.

He does, but it's in an inspirational speech kind of way.  I think his exact words are "We will fight for a world where our children can be born mages and free."  So he could be referring to his own physical children, but after I got over my fangirl squealing, I figured he was just being poetic.

I immediately got ideas for fanfic where Hawke discovers she's pregnant while they're on Isabela's ship (because she did offer to let them join her crew, lol) and mistaking morning sickness for sea sickness.  Mostly because I think Isabela would be hilariously crude and unintentionally insensitive about it:

Hawke: ::freaking out:: WTF, Anders said he probably couldn't have kids?!
Isabela: Ooooh, is it not his?  Juicy!  Who was it?  My first mate always did say he'd let you "shank his Jory" if you know what I mean
Hawke: Stop it! Be supportive!
Isabela: ::confused::  Okay.  Do you want me to kick you?
Hawke: What?!
Isabela: One good kick in the belly and it's all done.  I promise, I'm good at this by now.
Hawke: MAKER-DAMNIT, ISABELA.  NO.

(Sorry if that's offensive, I was trying to channel Isabela's innate offensiveness, lol.)

[MsKehoe]

Kim Shepard wrote...

MsKehoe wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been about a week since I finished the game, but I think he says the same thing about children to my m!Hawke. So, either it's more a blanket term or Justice/Vengeance defies basic biology. /D8

O_O Wow. Well, there is the possibility that there was a glitch too. I got the quests for both saving Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine, when it's impossible to do both in a single playthrough (and I only had one playthrough). I also got the werewolf quest in a playthrough that's only an Awakening import. Also, my female Orlesian Warden apparently changed genders between games because someone called her "he."

Maybe by "children" in this case, he means little kittens? :c

[crotti]

MsKehoe wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

MsKehoe wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been about a week since I finished the game, but I think he says the same thing about children to my m!Hawke. So, either it's more a blanket term or Justice/Vengeance defies basic biology. /D8

O_O Wow. Well, there is the possibility that there was a glitch too. I got the quests for both saving Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine, when it's impossible to do both in a single playthrough (and I only had one playthrough). I also got the werewolf quest in a playthrough that's only an Awakening import. Also, my female Orlesian Warden apparently changed genders between games because someone called her "he."

Maybe by "children" in this case, he means little kittens? :c

Lol ... Do you remember the kitten army in Denerim? XD

[MsKehoe]

crotti wrote...

MsKehoe wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

MsKehoe wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been about a week since I finished the game, but I think he says the same thing about children to my m!Hawke. So, either it's more a blanket term or Justice/Vengeance defies basic biology. /D8

O_O Wow. Well, there is the possibility that there was a glitch too. I got the quests for both saving Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine, when it's impossible to do both in a single playthrough (and I only had one playthrough). I also got the werewolf quest in a playthrough that's only an Awakening import. Also, my female Orlesian Warden apparently changed genders between games because someone called her "he."

Maybe by "children" in this case, he means little kittens? :c

Lol ... Do you remember the kitten army in Denerim? XD

LMFAO I thought it was a glitch or something. I was so confused.

[tallon1982]

LOL! Anders true plan is to have kittens rule the world

[crotti]

MsKehoe wrote...

crotti wrote...

MsKehoe wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

MsKehoe wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been about a week since I finished the game, but I think he says the same thing about children to my m!Hawke. So, either it's more a blanket term or Justice/Vengeance defies basic biology. /D8

O_O Wow. Well, there is the possibility that there was a glitch too. I got the quests for both saving Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine, when it's impossible to do both in a single playthrough (and I only had one playthrough). I also got the werewolf quest in a playthrough that's only an Awakening import. Also, my female Orlesian Warden apparently changed genders between games because someone called her "he."

Maybe by "children" in this case, he means little kittens? :c

Lol ... Do you remember the kitten army in Denerim? XD

LMFAO I thought it was a glitch or something. I was so confused.

My first reaction: ಠ_ಠ

[leggywillow]

tallon1982 wrote...

LOL! Anders true plan is to have kittens rule the world

Anders: We'll build a world, where our kitten overlords can--
Hawke: I'm sorry, what?
Anders: Um. "mages".  I meant mages.  Not cat overlords.  ::nervous laugh::  How ridiculous!
Meanwhile, watching from a Palantir in Mordor:
Ser Pounce-a-Lot: Yes, good, my faithful minion. ::pets human sitting in his lap::

[Addai]

crotti wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I'm not doing the rival romance. Not for a while any way. I can't see any of my Hawke's countenancing sending mages to the Circle, not with her father and her sister being mages if she isn't one herself. And not just mages, apostates who actively avoided the circle. It doesn't make sense for Hawke to disagree with Anders. And he doesn't do anything weird or outlandish until, you know, the big thing. All of his efforts to free mages before that are kind, he never tries to stop you from killing blood mages and he's basically far, far more reasonable about stuff than he has any right to be, considering.

I think the game is skewed to make you feel sympathy for the mages from the beginning.

I agree. I have no idea why Hawke would do this to the other mages (and his/her sister).
Especially if Hawke herself is a mage. "Hey I'm also a mage but the templar armor is cool so I'll send you back to the Circle to help the templars. You'll be punished for running away while I sit in my family's estate and talk about enchantments."

I'm playing a lawful mage at the moment and yeah, she's a bleedin hypocrite.  The rationale I use is that daddy Hawke was trained in the Circle and she was trained by him, but she knows most people don't have the benefit of that training and thus are a danger to society.  Whereas she is not.  Yeah.  I do imagine her with a bit of self-loathing, a Keili complex.  I played a mage who was similar in Origins, but that was a little easier- the one time she decides to break the rules and Jowan results, that made her even more of a law and order girl than she had been before.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[maselphie]

Okay, on my 2nd playthrough, I killed Anders. Seems pretty selfish of him to saying something "the sooner I die, the sooner my name will live on to inspire generations." But then, he also mentions that dying will set Justice free, like that was a concern of his. But because he's so eager to go down in history, my POV of killing him for justice (uh, for the chantry not the spirit) went away. I see why so many would choose to keep him alive as a punishment, not just because they feel sorry for him. You don't have to care about anything once you're dead, and it seems that living would be far worse than dying in this case. Pixel crush aside.

Now, on my mage who romanced, he does say things like "what if you tried to stop me, or worse, what if you wanted to help?" That seems less selfish and more understanding of what kind of stigma would be attached to who did this, so it wasn't just about him become a rebel leader. Minor difference when you kill him, "for what it's worth, I'm glad it's you." and then something about how he was glad to be happy.

It's probably natural for me to feel conflicted about this scene and his thoughts on the matter, since there are 2 minds in his body. I understand that he is thinking of one mind and one interest, but I think their opinions and beliefs, if they didn't clash, both still exist.

Pretty interesting. Never thought I'd be so confused about my feelings for a character like this. It's usually so cut and dry.

[crotti]

leggywillow wrote...

tallon1982 wrote...

LOL! Anders true plan is to have kittens rule the world

Anders: We'll build a world, where our kitten overlords can--
Hawke: I'm sorry, what?
Anders: Um. "mages".  I meant mages.  Not cat overlords.  ::nervous laugh::  How ridiculous!
Meanwhile, watching from a Palantir in Mordor:
Ser Pounce-a-Lot: Yes, good, my faithful minion. ::pets human sitting in his lap::

(Has anyone ever played the game "Overlord"? Imagine you could play Anders like that and take control over your minions - kittens, of course - and destroy everyone who gets in your way while you try to free the mages XD)