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[GailRana]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Batteries wrote...


It was Anders' own feelings toward that particular goal that warped him and dedicated himself to it  in the first place so.. Yes? Maybe?

I don't know.

I don't know if by finally fighting in this war he can eventually say he "got better." I doubt it.

Justice was always dedicated to fighting injustice. He was the one who first insisted that Anders ought to fight to free his fellows, and some time after Justice had helped avenging Kristoff (or been killed by the WC), he offered Anders his help doing so - if I remember correctly. And bringing Kristoff's killers to justice was something he decided to do after he had helped the people in the Blackmarsh.

I'm not sure if he can ever simply stop now that the ball is rolling. Time to grab the popcorn and watch the show, I guess?

or head to Tevinter and search for a way to separate the two... [/InAPerfectWorld]

[GailRana]

Trophonius wrote...

I think he'll jump at any chance to avoid the Fade. Spirits are envious of mortals. Once they start possessing hosts, they never want to leave. In Justice's case, he might either continue using Anders as a vessel (even if Anders dies) or he leaves and seeks out a new host.

This is also assuming Justice was permanently altered to become Vengeance, which is what Anders feared might happen, and depends on whether or not the corruption has completely poisoned him. After all, Justice and Anders mutually corrupted each other. What's to stop Justice from finding another cause to get involved in?

but if you brought Anders into the fade, Justice expresses that he was glad to be back. I got the impression that he would want to go back if he could.

[Periph]

GailRana wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

I think he'll jump at any chance to avoid the Fade. Spirits are envious of mortals. Once they start possessing hosts, they never want to leave. In Justice's case, he might either continue using Anders as a vessel (even if Anders dies) or he leaves and seeks out a new host.

This is also assuming Justice was permanently altered to become Vengeance, which is what Anders feared might happen, and depends on whether or not the corruption has completely poisoned him. After all, Justice and Anders mutually corrupted each other. What's to stop Justice from finding another cause to get involved in?

but if you brought Anders into the fade, Justice expresses that he was glad to be back. I got the impression that he would want to go back if he could.

I'd swear he says he doesn't want to stay longer than he has to... *goes to check dialogue*

Edit: Nope, you're right. It's good to feel the air of the Fade and so on.

Modifié par Periph, 01 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[GailRana]

Periph wrote...

GailRana wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

I think he'll jump at any chance to avoid the Fade. Spirits are envious of mortals. Once they start possessing hosts, they never want to leave. In Justice's case, he might either continue using Anders as a vessel (even if Anders dies) or he leaves and seeks out a new host.

This is also assuming Justice was permanently altered to become Vengeance, which is what Anders feared might happen, and depends on whether or not the corruption has completely poisoned him. After all, Justice and Anders mutually corrupted each other. What's to stop Justice from finding another cause to get involved in?

but if you brought Anders into the fade, Justice expresses that he was glad to be back. I got the impression that he would want to go back if he could.

I'd swear he says he doesn't want to stay longer than he has to... *goes to check dialogue*

oh shoot, i think you're right. i just was thinking of where he said it's good to breath the air... never mind, maybe he is all daemony

Modifié par GailRana, 01 avril 2011 - 08:21 .

[Ryzaki]

Camilladilla wrote...
You cannot resist!

D: 

I'm so torn. Those eyes just...just.... 

And I'm playing my nice guy rogue. 

I did say I was going to give Anders one of my nice guys and friendmance him. 

But...

D: 

I'll give him my next rogue...but the next rogue will probably end up benig a jerkwad and rivalmancing him.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 avril 2011 - 08:22 .

[Periph]

GailRana wrote...

oh shoot, i think you're right. i just was thinking of where he said it's good to breath the air

Hrm. Maybe I was thinking of his click-dialogue, and I don't have that handy. You're right about the entry speech.

Modifié par Periph, 01 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[sassperella]

Ryzaki wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...
You cannot resist!

D: 

I'm so torn. Those eyes just...just.... 

And I'm playing my nice guy rogue. 

I did say I was going to give Anders one of my nice guys and friendmance him. 

But...

D: 

I'll give him my next rogue...but the next rogue will probably end up benig a jerkwad and rivalmancing him.  

Go on you know you want to.  You can't resist those eyes.....

[Periph]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

He does say it at one point, I think, if you click on him during the quest.

So the Fade's better in at least some ways (as opposed to "the empty air of your world") but he doesn't want to stay. I very much doubt that's out of consideration for Anders, so it does point to demony Justice.

[GailRana]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Periph wrote...

I'd swear he says he doesn't want to stay longer than he has to... *goes to check dialogue*

Edit: Nope, you're right. It's good to feel the air of the Fade and so on.

He does say it at one point, I think, if you click on him during the quest.

I'm going to play that part soon in my current play through so i'll check out the options/click dialogue. Sigh... i'm kicking my Warden for being so supportive of his growing to like the mortal world!
 

[Camilladilla]

Blargh I've been rewatching all of the Justice scenes from Awakening, which just makes this whole rivalmance ending an even bigger tragedy. Poor Justice

[GailRana]

sassperella wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...
You cannot resist!

D: 

I'm so torn. Those eyes just...just.... 

And I'm playing my nice guy rogue. 

I did say I was going to give Anders one of my nice guys and friendmance him. 

But...

D: 

I'll give him my next rogue...but the next rogue will probably end up benig a jerkwad and rivalmancing him.  

Go on you know you want to.  You can't resist those eyes.....

lol, i love how supportive we are to non-anders romance play through attempts

but yeah, those eyes! *swoon*

Modifié par GailRana, 01 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[Trophonius]

GailRana wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

I think he'll jump at any chance to avoid the Fade. Spirits are envious of mortals. Once they start possessing hosts, they never want to leave. In Justice's case, he might either continue using Anders as a vessel (even if Anders dies) or he leaves and seeks out a new host.

This is also assuming Justice was permanently altered to become Vengeance, which is what Anders feared might happen, and depends on whether or not the corruption has completely poisoned him. After all, Justice and Anders mutually corrupted each other. What's to stop Justice from finding another cause to get involved in?

but if you brought Anders into the fade, Justice expresses that he was glad to be back. I got the impression that he would want to go back if he could.

He does, but I saw it as Justice making an off-hand comment about the mortal world being empty and doesn't care too much about the Fade either way. What concerned him most was Feynriel and wanted to finish their business in the Fade as quickly as possible.

[Camilladilla]

Trophonius wrote...

He does, but I saw it as Justice making an off-hand comment about the mortal world being empty and doesn't care too much about the Fade either way. What concerned him most was Feynriel and wanted to finish their business in the Fade as quickly as possible.

Meting out justice against dem demons.

[GailRana]

Camilladilla wrote...

Blargh I've been rewatching all of the Justice scenes from Awakening, which just makes this whole rivalmance ending an even bigger tragedy. Poor Justice

I know! I liked that guy, even if he thought i was too lenient in all my actions

Why did i give him the lyrium ring! Stupid singing... *headdesk*

[GailRana]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

GailRana wrote...



I'm going to play that part soon in my current play through so i'll check out the options/click dialogue. Sigh... i'm kicking my Warden for being so supportive of his growing to like the mortal world!
 

Heh, you'd better kick Nathaniel as well, for dialogues like these;

• Nathaniel: What if you found a living body to possess?
• Justice: Even if I knew how, I would not possess the living. Such is an act for demons.
• Nathaniel: What if the person were willing?
• Justice: Why would a mortal ever allow such a thing?
• Nathaniel: For life. For love. Perhaps together, you can
  do what they cannot do alone. If you gave instead of taking, I would
  consider you no demon.
• Justice: It is...something to consider. Thank you, Nathaniel.

yikes, foreshadow much?

The awakening folks are all just a bunch of enablers aren't they  :/

[Ryzaki]

sassperella wrote...
Go on you know you want to.  You can't resist those eyes.....

D: 

You're evil! EVIL!

As are those eyes.  

[Camilladilla]

Ryzaki wrote...

sassperella wrote...
Go on you know you want to.  You can't resist those eyes.....

D: 

You're evil! EVIL!

As are those eyes.  

Just look at those eyes. How can you say no?

[sassperella]

.....The eyes!!!!

[GailRana]

Camilladilla wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

sassperella wrote...
Go on you know you want to.  You can't resist those eyes.....

D: 

You're evil! EVIL!

As are those eyes.  

Just look at those eyes. How can you say no?

Resistance is indeed futile.

(The "Ser pouts-a-lot" line cracks me up!)

[DeaHamlet]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

God, I'm a little upset that is cut. That would have been such a wonderful ending. The romance death is lame. No closure. At least that line loops it nicely.

Any amount of closure with that outcome would have been nice. For a first playthrough my gut reaction would be (and was) not to want even the option to express love to the shiny new terrorist, but having the option is kind of wonderfully mindscrewy, and after knowing what happens the closure would be nice even if IRL or your rational mind would not even think to be all 'ilu'.

If that makes any sense.

Oh it makes total sense. I'm still not satisfied with my final 'canon' playthrough. I really don't want to keep Anders alive for what he did, but it rings stronger than the death scene where Anders is all like "Yeah. We've been together for SIX YEARS. And I totally manipulated you. But I totally love you too! And I'm not myself. But I am me. OMG I am so confused. I should be killed! You know what you have to do!"

And Hawke is like.

"Lolzk *stab - 4 second death* Let's go Hawketeers!"

No Justice flying out. No last words. Nothing. At that point, its as if he didn't exist.

Heck it would've been even more interesting if Fenris had the option to execute him. The death scene was sad, but missing something important.

I like that audio line. Maybe that's sort of what it needed.

This is like a million pages behind, but I'm just catching up.

See, I made my own form of appropriate ending on the templar side... by letting him go and then letting Fenris do all the fighting when Anders fights Hawke to defend the mages.  So I guess that's like letting Fenris execute him.
It was sad, so sad, but far far far better than backstab cutscene.

I sometimes feel like I'm just a D&D player with a very morose dungeon master that keeps yelling "you're ruining my story" every few minutes.

[Jean]

Did anyone else who plays on xbox feel like something was wrong when there was no achievement popping up after the romance scene?
You get it in the other games after you have sex.

[Ninche]

GailRana wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Batteries wrote...


It was Anders' own feelings toward that particular goal that warped him and dedicated himself to it  in the first place so.. Yes? Maybe?

I don't know.

I don't know if by finally fighting in this war he can eventually say he "got better." I doubt it.

Justice was always dedicated to fighting injustice. He was the one who first insisted that Anders ought to fight to free his fellows, and some time after Justice had helped avenging Kristoff (or been killed by the WC), he offered Anders his help doing so - if I remember correctly. And bringing Kristoff's killers to justice was something he decided to do after he had helped the people in the Blackmarsh.

I'm not sure if he can ever simply stop now that the ball is rolling. Time to grab the popcorn and watch the show, I guess?

or head to Tevinter and search for a way to separate the two... [/InAPerfectWorld]

I know that separating them is impossible and all that, but killing an archdemon without dying was ALSO impossible. Maybe Anders should sleep with Morrigan as well and Justice can go and posses her other baby. 


Wow I actually cringed just typing that.... 

[Ryzaki]

Camilladilla wrote...



Just look at those eyes. How can you say no?

D:

So...so...tempting. *makes grabby hands* 

No. I will be strong! I shall make an extra sweet and kind Hawke for Anders next game though.