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[Jean]

Dunizel wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Speaking of being hunted, the templars should still have his phylactery in back Ferelden. I'm sure it won't take long for word to get aroud of what he did. I'm rather surprised he wasn't found within those years in Kirkwall, actually. I wish he would of made some sort of comment about being away from the circle for so many years in a row, even if he still is hiding.
I suppose being possessed and seeing mages treated like animals kinda puts a damper on that.

Well, I assume in Ferelden after the Blight and the Uldred incident the templars had already enough work and couldn't be bothered to travel to Kirkwall. Even though, now that you mention it, we met Anders just when he was being captured again, with the Blight still going on. But he wasn't being exactly subtle, running a clinic for refugees...he even met Strout (I doubt Alistair or Nate would say his whereabouts to the templars)

To be honest, the Wardens seems to have something big going on (I'm still wondering if these allies Nate mentions are intelligent darkspawn), and in the Ferelden they are worried about Orlais. Kirkwall to me seems a place abandoned to itself, Hellhole left alone, maybe they really don't want to get near that mess. 

When he said allies, my mind skipped between talking darkspawn to these Fex people mentioned before. I don't ever remember any sort of reference to these people through the entire game either.

[Threeparts]

I sent Ms Hepler a PM a few days ago asking about the phylactery, so hopefully we might have some more info on that if she has time to reply. I'm curious whether being so far from Denerim has an effect on how easily they can find him, especially if they don't know he's in the Free Marches at all.
Stroud certainly never seems interested in taking him back to the Wardens any of the times I met him with Anders in the party, and Nate had bigger things on his mind, even without the excuse that they thought Anders was dead.

Can I just say that the Templars in Kirkwall are just incredibly incompetent? My character was able to talk Lirene into giving away Anders' location in two minutes, tops. The Templars have spent at least three years sniffing around Darktown for him without success. What, they couldn't send a Fereldan recruit to pretend to be a refugee and ask questions while not in uniform?

[YamiSnuffles]

I figured with Anders and Justice, they were both equally present in both friendship and rivalry paths but in completely different ways. In rivalry, they are butting heads all the time. Vengeance seems to wear Anders down and thus is able to just take over entirely. With friendship, their goals are more or less the same so Vengeance doesn't have to take over. Thus they meld more by the end but Anders is still there. As someone mentioned, if Anders was gone, his comments about running away with Hawke and love and all that would seem really out of place. Justice would hardly be concerned about those things, after all.

I am still of the opinion that for friendship Anders, the best way to resolve the problem is to find some balance. I'd like to hope that Justice isn't entirely lost and that maybe getting away from the Hellmouth would help.

Oh, and I totally called it yesterday. Major down swing after I went to sleep. It went from a day of sexiness to Anders getting murder knifed and such.

[Jean]

Threeparts wrote...

I sent Ms Hepler a PM a few days ago asking about the phylactery, so hopefully we might have some more info on that if she has time to reply. I'm curious whether being so far from Denerim has an effect on how easily they can find him, especially if they don't know he's in the Free Marches at all.
Stroud certainly never seems interested in taking him back to the Wardens any of the times I met him with Anders in the party, and Nate had bigger things on his mind, even without the excuse that they thought Anders was dead.

Can I just say that the Templars in Kirkwall are just incredibly incompetent? My character was able to talk Lirene into giving away Anders' location in two minutes, tops. The Templars have spent at least three years sniffing around Darktown for him without success. What, they couldn't send a Fereldan recruit to pretend to be a refugee and ask questions while not in uniform?

 I suppose it could be a possibility that it could of been destroyed by him before he came to Kirkwall. We never do figure out how he actually got to Kirkwall other than "You don't know what I went through to get here!"
But he also does say that he expected either the Circle or that Wardens would "drag him back". 

[Aeowyn]

Well, when Anders convinces Stroud to take Bethany on as a Warden, Stroud says:
"If I do this Anders, then we are even."

Even about what I wonder? Him leaving the Wardens or him killing other Wardens in the progress?

Modifié par Aeowyn, 01 avril 2011 - 12:33 .

[Threeparts]

Aeowyn wrote...

Well, when Anders convinces Stroud to take Bethany on as a Warden, Stroud says:
"If I do this Anders, then we are even."

Even about what I wonder? Him leaving the Wardens or him killing other Wardens in the progress?

I don't think so, because it's Stroud doing a favour for Anders, which means in the past Anders must have done a favour for Stroud to have him in his debt. Overlooking Anders' Warden and Templar massacre would have been Anders in Stroud's debt, not vice versa.

He must have helped Stroud out at one point in the past, but I'm not sure how without knowing more about the Orlesian. I like to imagine old Anders assisting him in getting laid, but I'm not sure that would be a big enough favour for inducting Bethany. Maybe overlooking some sort of addiction or illegal activities Stroud had going at the Keep?

In which case... man, things really went downhill after our Wardens left.

Modifié par Threeparts, 01 avril 2011 - 12:40 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Aeowyn wrote...

Well, when Anders convinces Stroud to take Bethany on as a Warden, Stroud says:
"If I do this Anders, then we are even."

Even about what I wonder? Him leaving the Wardens or him killing other Wardens in the progress?

I always wondered about this myself. I also wondered if it will come up again. For example, if your sibling was made a Warden will it cause more trouble for Anders? What I mean is, if your sibling isn't a Warden then it seems like Anders has some sort of mysterious leverage over either the Wardens or just Stroud.

What I'll assume happened is that Anders saved someone's life. Perhaps someone important to Stroud. Considering Anders penchant for Healing, this seemed likely to me. Thus, when Stroud "saves" the life of the Hawke sibling, it evens the score.

[Jean]

Threeparts wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Well, when Anders convinces Stroud to take Bethany on as a Warden, Stroud says:
"If I do this Anders, then we are even."

Even about what I wonder? Him leaving the Wardens or him killing other Wardens in the progress?

I don't think so, because it's Stroud doing a favour for Anders, which means in the past Anders must have done a favour for Stroud to have him in his debt. Overlooking Anders' Warden and Templar massacre would have been Anders in Stroud's debt, not vice versa.

He must have helped Stroud out at one point in the past, but I'm not sure how without knowing more about the Orlesian. I like to imagine old Anders assisting him in getting laid, but I'm not sure that would be a big enough favour for inducting Bethany. Maybe overlooking some sort of addiction or illegal activities Stroud had going at the Keep?

In which case... man, things really went downhill after our Wardens left.

There's definitely someething going down within the Wardens throughout the course of the game. My Warden coming back with style as the world is tearing itself apart would be great now thanks. <_<
I think I rely on my poor Wardens to fix everything too much.

[Threeparts]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Well, when Anders convinces Stroud to take Bethany on as a Warden, Stroud says:
"If I do this Anders, then we are even."

Even about what I wonder? Him leaving the Wardens or him killing other Wardens in the progress?

I always wondered about this myself. I also wondered if it will come up again. For example, if your sibling was made a Warden will it cause more trouble for Anders? What I mean is, if your sibling isn't a Warden then it seems like Anders has some sort of mysterious leverage over either the Wardens or just Stroud.

What I'll assume happened is that Anders saved someone's life. Perhaps someone important to Stroud. Considering Anders penchant for Healing, this seemed likely to me. Thus, when Stroud "saves" the life of the Hawke sibling, it evens the score.

See, my problem with that is that saving someone's life isn't something I'd consider a debt to be repaid with a single favour, unless it was something Anders was unwilling to do in the first place, or unless it was something that would get him in trouble.
I don't believe that old Anders would just let someone die if he could save them (unless it was a Templar), so would Stroud feel that he owed him so specifically and be so unwilling to help, even when it was Anders asking in the first place?

[Jean]

As far as we know the Wardens never did come crashing down onto him or even seemed remotely interested in even finding him. It didn't seem like Nate or Stroud knew what he did or didn't care.

[YamiSnuffles]

Threeparts wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Well, when Anders convinces Stroud to take Bethany on as a Warden, Stroud says:
"If I do this Anders, then we are even."

Even about what I wonder? Him leaving the Wardens or him killing other Wardens in the progress?

I always wondered about this myself. I also wondered if it will come up again. For example, if your sibling was made a Warden will it cause more trouble for Anders? What I mean is, if your sibling isn't a Warden then it seems like Anders has some sort of mysterious leverage over either the Wardens or just Stroud.

What I'll assume happened is that Anders saved someone's life. Perhaps someone important to Stroud. Considering Anders penchant for Healing, this seemed likely to me. Thus, when Stroud "saves" the life of the Hawke sibling, it evens the score.

See, my problem with that is that saving someone's life isn't something I'd consider a debt to be repaid with a single favour, unless it was something Anders was unwilling to do in the first place, or unless it was something that would get him in trouble.
I don't believe that old Anders would just let someone die if he could save them (unless it was a Templar), so would Stroud feel that he owed him so specifically and be so unwilling to help, even when it was Anders asking in the first place?

Well, considering the Templar Warden (whose name I don't recall at the moment) I could see that being someone Anders might actually hesitate to heal. Or, if not healing, Anders could have been used to either do or advise on some unsavory magic. I dunno. I think it would have to be something very Anders specific. Something only he could have/would have done.

[silver-crescent]

Does Anders ever even mention "Vengeance" on the friendship path?

[Jean]

silver-crescent wrote...

Does Anders ever even mention "Vengeance" on the friendship path?

Besides calling him "a form of vengeance with no grasp of mercy" after you first meet him, no, I believe he always refers to him as Justice.

• Anders will remain with the Grey Wardens to train the Order's next generation of mages. When he is called by the Circle of Magi to deliver a lecture on the nature of the Architect
  - much to the templars' dismay - he tells the Commander of the Grey
  that his time with the Wardens is over. No longer a part of the Wardens,
  the Chantry brands him an apostate, but never captures him. He is last
  seen on a pirate ship with a familiar woman.

^Does anyone know if this ending is ever referenced? Unless it's part of that "runaway mage with that electricity trick" thing everyone gets. I'm not sure how to even get this one in the first place.

Modifié par Batteries, 01 avril 2011 - 01:22 .

[SurelyForth]

Batteries wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Does Anders ever even mention "Vengeance" on the friendship path?

Besides calling him "a form of vengeance with no grasp of mercy" after you first meet him, no, I believe he always refers to him as Justice.

• Anders will remain with the Grey Wardens to train the Order's next generation of mages. When he is called by the Circle of Magi to deliver a lecture on the nature of the Architect
  - much to the templars' dismay - he tells the Commander of the Grey
  that his time with the Wardens is over. No longer a part of the Wardens,
  the Chantry brands him an apostate, but never captures him. He is last
  seen on a pirate ship with a familiar woman.

^Does anyone know if this ending is ever referenced? Unless it's part of that "runaway mage with that electricity trick" thing everyone gets. I'm not sure how to even get this one in the first place.

All of the epilogues are meaningless (much to my Warden's dismay). This one, I believe, is if you take him with you to fight the Architect, but you didn't do his personal quest. I think the only thing DA2 checks is who you have with you in the final Awakening save (so, with Anders, he was w. the Warden and survived or he wasn't and faked his death).

They don't even account for him not being recruited by the Warden, I don't think, unless he just doesn't have the line "You remind me of someone I used to know." 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 avril 2011 - 01:31 .

[Ninche]

I got the ending in which he goes away for a few months and then comes back and stays with the wardens until the end of his days. I thought that was a simple and boring life for him to lead HA, little did I know

[Jean]

SurelyForth wrote...

Batteries wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Does Anders ever even mention "Vengeance" on the friendship path?

Besides calling him "a form of vengeance with no grasp of mercy" after you first meet him, no, I believe he always refers to him as Justice.

• Anders will remain with the Grey Wardens to train the Order's next generation of mages. When he is called by the Circle of Magi to deliver a lecture on the nature of the Architect
  - much to the templars' dismay - he tells the Commander of the Grey
  that his time with the Wardens is over. No longer a part of the Wardens,
  the Chantry brands him an apostate, but never captures him. He is last
  seen on a pirate ship with a familiar woman.

^Does anyone know if this ending is ever referenced? Unless it's part of that "runaway mage with that electricity trick" thing everyone gets. I'm not sure how to even get this one in the first place.

All of the epilogues are meaningless (much to my Warden's dismay). This one, I believe, is if you take him with you to fight the Architect, but you didn't do his personal quest.

I thought at least some small details would be mentioned. Alas, I just have to use my brain to think things up.

[sassperella]

Soooo bedtime in Aus.... this thread will be another 30 pages long by the time I wake up... sigh It moves so fast.

[YamiSnuffles]

Hmm, with this being brought up, has anybody seen any differences in what Anders says between different imports? So far in my Origins only import (no Awakening) all of his dialogue is exactly the same as the Hawke that imported an Awakening save. He still mentions Ser Pounce, still references Hawke being like someone he used to know, and all that.

[Ninche]

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Sorry, couldn't resist posting this ^^ 

Deviantart link: http://my.deviantart...sages/#/d3cc69q 

Modifié par Ninche, 01 avril 2011 - 01:44 .

[silver-crescent]

 So much cuteness 

[Jean]

Bah. DeviantArt and Aprils Fools. There are trolls popping up. Literally.

news.deviantart.com/article/147425/

I remember the avatar changing last year. Never lets anyone down.

Modifié par Batteries, 01 avril 2011 - 02:08 .

[Threeparts]

Just ticked over to the 2nd here, I'm allowed to sneer haughtily at all the sites that still have AFD stuff up. That was so yesterday.

[LadyVaJedi]

I have been wondering does anyone know how old Anders is? He looks alot older that he did in Awakenings.

[Jean]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

I have been wondering does anyone know how old Anders is? He looks alot older that he did in Awakenings.

Ugh, these questions haunt me. Badly. But no, nobody really knows how old any of the characters are.
I thought he was 24/25 in Awakenings.
In DAII being about 32-ish when he sets the bomb and 35 at the end of the game sits right with me. I just don't think he's any older than 35. I take the looking older as stress. Even Cullen looks older around the eyes.

Modifié par Batteries, 01 avril 2011 - 02:23 .

[Magaloo]

Batteries wrote...

LadyVaJedi wrote...

I have been wondering does anyone know how old Anders is? He looks alot older that he did in Awakenings.

Ugh, these questions haunt me. Badly. But no, nobody really knows how old any of the characters are.
I thought he was 24/25 in Awakenings.
In DAII being about 32-ish when he sets the bomb and 35 at the end of the game sits right with me. I just don't think he's any older than 35. I take the looking older as stress. Even Cullen looks older around the eyes.

How old he might be is less a question for me than what his real name is... I know Hansel McCrazypants but seriously makes me wonder.

That said him being around 35 to me sounds perfect.  He does look tired and drawn  at times but its part of his charm for me. Cullen needs like he needs some sleep with some cucumber on his eyes.