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[Camilladilla]

ipgd wrote...

Jaulen wrote...

So where does Anders (other than the non-flirted with rival-Anders face glomp I had) flirt with someone without you initiating it first?

If you pick the diplomatic options in the conversation with him right after his Act I quest, he'll call you "scruffy" and then apologize. Positively lecherous.

Also if you choose the snarky line he'll be all like "You look... something *gringrinnudgenudge*"

Modifié par Camilladilla, 02 avril 2011 - 04:52 .

[TripLight]

Jaulen wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

ipgd wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Yeah, the Ella thing would have thrown her for a loop were Beth still around.

And I love that he spends three years warning Hawke away because he's a monster!, but you can pretty much nail him within 24 hours of him killing/almost killing an innocent mage girl. I guess he figures that if Hawke still wants to be around after all that, then s/he's legit crazy-proof, but it still cracks me up.

Hawke is the real predator here. Taking advantage of his emotional state, how scandalous.

I'm pretty sure him being emotional just makes him more receptive, given how he's already hitting on Hawke the morning after his last lover was made Tranquil and then killed.  

See...I'm wondering about the whoel Anders hitting on you first thing, namly becuase of all the homophobes out there who are "Oh Nos! A Pixelated guy hit on meeeeeeeeee !!!! Bioware...you are eeeeeevillllll"

It's something I don't recall happening in either of my two f!hawke playthroughs......so I watched last night while my hubby played his m!hawke rogue....nope, HE had to pick the heart icon to initiate any flirting.

So where does Anders (other than the non-flirted with rival-Anders face glomp I had) flirt with someone without you initiating it first?

I got the line, after chosing the good/diplomatic line after he said he thought he was helping Justice out by merging with him". The Diplomatic option answer for femhawke is "making actions/decisions with a true heart" which evidently melts Anders heart for Hawke....D'aaawwwww (creepiness and speed aside!)

Modifié par TripLight, 02 avril 2011 - 04:51 .

[signcherie]

Siduri wrote...


I swear to the Maker Bethany gave me five rivalry points for taking the first flirt line with Anders. I was like OH NO SWEETIE, no. No.

I think she has, like, a teenaged-girl crush on him? But he's totally oblivious to it. I mean, he likes her, in a big-brotherly way. He's openly jealous of the Hawkes for their close-knit apostate family and he really wants to marry into it. But it's not little Bethany he's lying awake aching for.

I had no idea Bethany disapproved that! Aw, poor Bethany...

I love playing a non-mage to get the dialogue between Anders and Bethany. I love it when he's all jealous of her for having such a loving, supportive family.

[Kim Shepard]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm pretty sure him being emotional just makes him more receptive, given how he's already hitting on Hawke the morning after his last lover was made Tranquil and then killed.  

And that's why I left a good amount of time between Tranquil and the flirting. xD

Jaulen wrote...

See...I'm wondering about the whoel Anders hitting on you first thing, namly becuase of all the homophobes out there who are "Oh Nos! A Pixelated guy hit on meeeeeeeeee !!!! Bioware...you are eeeeeevillllll"

It's something I don't recall happening in either of my two f!hawke playthroughs......so I watched last night while my hubby played his m!hawke rogue....nope, HE had to pick the heart icon to initiate any flirting.

So where does Anders (other than the non-flirted with rival-Anders face glomp I had) flirt with someone without you initiating it first?

I don't know how the dialogue goes for MaleHawke, but in my playthrough as FemHawke, I didn't choose the first flirt right after Tranquil. In the next conversation with Anders, he called FemHawke beautiful and then there are three ways to respond - two for romance start, and one for no romance. I also chose the diplomatic line when talking to Anders, if that had anything to do with causing the flirt.

[Siduri]

Yeah, I have to say I come down on the side of preferring a non-mage romance with Anders. I mean, I totally understand the appeal of the mage/mage romance too, and I'm not knocking those who enjoy it in any way.

But the non-mage friendship romance is--less selfish? You're supporting his cause because it's right, not just because you're fighting for your own interests. Plus, you get to have him save you from Idunna in the Blooming Rose, which is a nice scene, and you can also have him save Bethany in the Deep Roads. I can see from a roleplay perspective that a Hawke who was previously inclined just to tease might start feeling really serious about him after she saw him stick his neck out to save her sister.

[leggywillow]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Jaulen wrote...
So where does Anders (other than the non-flirted with rival-Anders face glomp I had) flirt with someone without you initiating it first?

I don't know how the dialogue goes for MaleHawke, but in my playthrough as FemHawke, I didn't choose the first flirt right after Tranquil. In the next conversation with Anders, he called FemHawke beautiful and then there are three ways to respond - two for romance start, and one for no romance. I also chose the diplomatic line when talking to Anders, if that had anything to do with causing the flirt.

Yep, you have to pick the diplomatic option to get the flirt in that case.  The snarky and aggressive dialogue options lead to him getting mad and turning on Vengeance mode, IIRC.

[Siduri]

I should clarify that of course Anders can save Carver if you're playing a mage, but to me it doesn't have the same romantic charge as when he saves Bethany, on account of the different personalities involved.

[ipgd]

Siduri wrote...

Yeah, I have to say I come down on the side of preferring a non-mage romance with Anders. I mean, I totally understand the appeal of the mage/mage romance too, and I'm not knocking those who enjoy it in any way.

But the non-mage friendship romance is--less selfish? You're supporting his cause because it's right, not just because you're fighting for your own interests. Plus, you get to have him save you from Idunna in the Blooming Rose, which is a nice scene, and you can also have him save Bethany in the Deep Roads. I can see from a roleplay perspective that a Hawke who was previously inclined just to tease might start feeling really serious about him after she saw him stick his neck out to save her sister.

I'd agree with this.

I think I like non-mage better for friendmance and mage better for rivalmance. That's what I'll probably do when I get around to making my two neurotic identical-in-every-aspect-but-Anders canon playthroughs whenever DA3 is coming out.

[Camilladilla]

Siduri wrote...

Yeah, I have to say I come down on the side of preferring a non-mage romance with Anders. I mean, I totally understand the appeal of the mage/mage romance too, and I'm not knocking those who enjoy it in any way.

But the non-mage friendship romance is--less selfish? You're supporting his cause because it's right, not just because you're fighting for your own interests. Plus, you get to have him save you from Idunna in the Blooming Rose, which is a nice scene, and you can also have him save Bethany in the Deep Roads. I can see from a roleplay perspective that a Hawke who was previously inclined just to tease might start feeling really serious about him after she saw him stick his neck out to save her sister.

I've only played mages so far because well, I find the non-mage classes kinda boring, so I've only ever done mage romances, but I've always liked the idea of the mage/mage romance. It's like Hawke and Anders share something on another level, they're in their own magical world.

[SurelyForth]

signcherie wrote...

Siduri wrote...


I swear to the Maker Bethany gave me five rivalry points for taking the first flirt line with Anders. I was like OH NO SWEETIE, no. No.

I think she has, like, a teenaged-girl crush on him? But he's totally oblivious to it. I mean, he likes her, in a big-brotherly way. He's openly jealous of the Hawkes for their close-knit apostate family and he really wants to marry into it. But it's not little Bethany he's lying awake aching for.

I had no idea Bethany disapproved that! Aw, poor Bethany...

I love playing a non-mage to get the dialogue between Anders and Bethany. I love it when he's all jealous of her for having such a loving, supportive family.

She doesn't. She's probably giving you rivalry for something said during the Karl portion of Tranquility, but it doesn't hit until after you talk to Anders at his clinic. I just tried to get it, and flirting made no difference. 
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Siduri wrote...

Yeah, I have to say I come down on the side of preferring a non-mage romance with Anders. I mean, I totally understand the appeal of the mage/mage romance too, and I'm not knocking those who enjoy it in any way.

But the non-mage friendship romance is--less selfish? You're supporting his cause because it's right, not just because you're fighting for your own interests. Plus, you get to have him save you from Idunna in the Blooming Rose, which is a nice scene, and you can also have him save Bethany in the Deep Roads. I can see from a roleplay perspective that a Hawke who was previously inclined just to tease might start feeling really serious about him after she saw him stick his neck out to save her sister.

No surprise, but I agree with this so much. 

If you play Bethany's Protector (which, so easy), their banter and his sticking his neck out for her in the Deep Roads is like...the dreamiest. I forgive almost all of his crazy just for that. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 02 avril 2011 - 05:12 .

[Miri1984]

Yeah, I don't get why being a mage fighting for mage rights is selfish, sorry. TBH I think personality matters WAY more than class when romancing ANYONE.

[leggywillow]

Siduri wrote...

Yeah, I have to say I come down on the side of preferring a non-mage romance with Anders. I mean, I totally understand the appeal of the mage/mage romance too, and I'm not knocking those who enjoy it in any way.

But the non-mage friendship romance is--less selfish? You're supporting his cause because it's right, not just because you're fighting for your own interests. Plus, you get to have him save you from Idunna in the Blooming Rose, which is a nice scene, and you can also have him save Bethany in the Deep Roads. I can see from a roleplay perspective that a Hawke who was previously inclined just to tease might start feeling really serious about him after she saw him stick his neck out to save her sister.

This is how I feel as well, but for a sort of different reason.  I'm all about balance in video game relationships.  Almost by definition, the PC is overpowered and ridiculously capable.  He/she has an unbelievable amount of strength, power, and influence over others.  A lot of video game relationships come across as the PC being obviously the stronger and more dominant of the two (usually because the PC is the one initiating the relationship as well, but that's not the issue with Anders, lol).

So I like pairing my non-mages with Anders because it adds a sense of balance to the relationship.  The game actually presents scenarios that non-mage Hawke can't handle.  The blood mage in the Blooming Rose is the perfect example of this, and that's probably my favorite quest in Act 1 because of it.  Anders is a mage and in some ways that makes him stronger than Hawke or more capable in particular situations.  This overall leads to a more equilibrium in their relationship.  If that makes sense at all.

I love my mage with him too, of course.  I love everyone with Anders.  I have a token Fenris-romancing Hawke, but so far all of my Hawkes have been with Anders.  

[Sable Rhapsody]

Camilladilla wrote...

I've only played mages so far because well, I find the non-mage classes kinda boring, so I've only ever done mage romances, but I've always liked the idea of the mage/mage romance. It's like Hawke and Anders share something on another level, they're in their own magical world.

Same here.  I prefer mages for purely mechanical reasons.  But it adds a nice touch to the romance--two apostates in love, fighting for a world in which their children can be born mages...and born free 

[Camilladilla]

I'm also a bit twisted and enjoy the idea of templar/mage relationships too. Reminds me of a tank/healer duo.

[mellifera]

Lol, more than mage or warrior or rogue or whatever, I just like my Hawke with Anders. That's why I made like 23432543636 versions of him.

ohgodiamoneofthosefangirlskillme

[ipgd]

Miri1984 wrote...

Yeah, I don't get why being a mage fighting for mage rights is selfish, sorry. TBH I think personality matters WAY more than class when romancing ANYONE.

I wouldn't say it's really selfish, just a little more... impactful with a non-mage, I think. I mean, a non-mage Hawke could just entirely blow off mage rights issues if he/she wanted to with no ill affect on his/her life, especially after Bethany leaves/dies, but specifically chooses not to. A mage Hawke pretty much has to care no matter what.

Kind of the same but opposite with a mage in rivalmance. Mage Hawke has a personal stake in mage freedom, but is antagonistic to Anders's ideas/methods/extremism/what have you despite that. It feels less like Hawke is just being a dick to Anders that way.

[mesmerizedish]

yukidama wrote...

Lol, more than mage or warrior or rogue or whatever, I just like my Hawke with Anders. That's why I made like 23432543636 versions of him.

ohgodiamoneofthosefangirlskillme

I'm going to enjoy this way too much.

*kills Yuki*

*creates 23432543636 versions of her character with whom to romance Merrill*

[Sable Rhapsody]

yukidama wrote...

ohgodiamoneofthosefangirlskillme

There there.  Admitting it is the first step 

[SurelyForth]

yukidama wrote...

Lol, more than mage or warrior or rogue or whatever, I just like my Hawke with Anders. That's why I made like 23432543636 versions of him.

ohgodiamoneofthosefangirlskillme

Again, you're way ahead of me, what with having actually played other classes for longer than 20 minutes.

[Kawamura]

I'm also in the mage camp, though I certainly understand the appeal of non mages as well (I do like the complimentary aspect). However, I like the fact that Anders gets to see in Hawke the sort of man he's fighting for: he's fighting for free mages who can do good with their Maker given gifts and, even better, that sort of ideal that he's fighting for somehow, for some crazy reason, loves him. And he knows a little better the fears that Anders feels, the call of the Fade, of easy power, of maybe just losing yourself because that's so easy. I like relationships where the two speak a language others can't, and magic makes an easy start for that.

That, and I've been really interested in the mages from DA:O. I would have a hard time playing otherwise.

[LastFadingSmile]

yukidama wrote...

Lol, more than mage or warrior or rogue or whatever, I just like my Hawke with Anders. That's why I made like 23432543636 versions of him.

ohgodiamoneofthosefangirlskillme

Me too. Me too. I just spent like 40 minutes recreating a dark haired version of my first character, then realised once I got to Act 1 I'd imported the wrong save and went back and did it aalllll over again.

But damn if I don't love my Insane Snarky Bonnie Rogue. I like to imagine them in their medieval twilight years going around making bombs out of bathtubs and blowing up templar retirement homes.

[Threeparts]

leggywillow wrote...

This is how I feel as well, but for a sort of different reason.  I'm all about balance in video game relationships.  Almost by definition, the PC is overpowered and ridiculously capable.  He/she has an unbelievable amount of strength, power, and influence over others.  A lot of video game relationships come across as the PC being obviously the stronger and more dominant of the two (usually because the PC is the one initiating the relationship as well, but that's not the issue with Anders, lol).

So I like pairing my non-mages with Anders because it adds a sense of balance to the relationship.  The game actually presents scenarios that non-mage Hawke can't handle.  The blood mage in the Blooming Rose is the perfect example of this, and that's probably my favorite quest in Act 1 because of it.  Anders is a mage and in some ways that makes him stronger than Hawke or more capable in particular situations.  This overall leads to a more equilibrium in their relationship.  If that makes sense at all.

I love my mage with him too, of course.  I love everyone with Anders.  I have a token Fenris-romancing Hawke, but so far all of my Hawkes have been with Anders.  

Yep, that's my answer for preferring my rogue with Anders: they have different strengths and weaknesses and to me, they complement each other. The rogue is physically strong, quick and reflexive, whereas I imagine Anders to be physically weaker and, to some degree, gentler (doctor's hands, doctor's hands!). But he can deal with the magical problems like Idunna, checking Keran, helping Bartrand, &c., that the rogue is completely clueless about. 
I imagine them on the run, my rogue being all practical about hunting and scouting and covering their tracks, while Anders takes care of more domestic tasks like warding their camp, and, well... lighting fires. He can do the cooking too, I suppose.

Mage on mage means they have more ways to relate to each other and can share experiences that a non-mage wouldn't be privy to, but I just personally like the balance of Hawke being more physical than Anders. 


My favourite non-Anders romance was my super gentle and sweet LadyHawke warrior, who rivalmanced Merrill. Oh, god, so adorable together.

Modifié par Threeparts, 02 avril 2011 - 05:25 .

[Kim Shepard]

A mage fighting for mage rights doesn't mean they're more selfish than a non-mage. A non-mage still has a mage sister, and lived with mages for their whole life. I would think a more "selfish" action is a mage staying out of the revolution for no other reason than not wanting to be caught by the templars. (And I don't think that's selfish either, for the record. But I'm sure Anders/Justice would.) Hawke can always have selfish reasons, whatever the player wants, but I tend to think of helping mages to be free while putting themselves in danger as a selfless act.

leggywillow wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

Jaulen wrote...
So where does Anders (other than the non-flirted with rival-Anders face glomp I had) flirt with someone without you initiating it first?

I don't know how the dialogue goes for MaleHawke, but in my playthrough as FemHawke, I didn't choose the first flirt right after Tranquil. In the next conversation with Anders, he called FemHawke beautiful and then there are three ways to respond - two for romance start, and one for no romance. I also chose the diplomatic line when talking to Anders, if that had anything to do with causing the flirt.

Yep, you have to pick the diplomatic option to get the flirt in that case.  The snarky and aggressive dialogue options lead to him getting mad and turning on Vengeance mode, IIRC.

Aww, Kaya hardly ever gets to see Justice. xD She always agrees with them. Oh well, at least I can imagine she's getting some Justice approval points.

It's nice that the flirts can be avoided though. I always like it better that way on non-romance playthroughs.

[mellifera]

SurelyForth wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Lol, more than mage or warrior or rogue or whatever, I just like my Hawke with Anders. That's why I made like 23432543636 versions of him.

ohgodiamoneofthosefangirlskillme

Again, you're way ahead of me, what with having actually played other classes for longer than 20 minutes.

I played a Beardy Hawke rogue all the way AND didn't romance Anders. It was a truly ~harrowing~ experience, but I like to think I came out on top of Fenris.

But I have to pad out playing AU Lenox warrior with canon Lenox sparkly mage. Otherwise... feels bad man.

[Siduri]

Selfish was the wrong word. Like I said, I really *wasn't* trying to put down those who enjoy the mage-on-mage romance. I just enjoy the non-mage romance for being more altruistic in that particular dimension.