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[MsKehoe]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Man, I'm so confused. I'll just try not to think about how Malcom died.

Hmm, but speaking of Hawke's family/background, if you romanced Anders how did your class change your romance? I mean, the way you played it. I was a femHawke warrior. As a warrior, I was already apt to be protective of my teammates, but doubly so of my mages. So she started as the really protective older sister with Bethany, and then some sort of anti-Templar; a warrior fighting for mages instead of against them.

Then, in the more innocent days of Act 2 romance, I remember feeling a little guilty when Leandra starts suggesting Hawke marry off to some noble. Even though mama Hawke had run off with an apostate herself, it was clear she missed the noble lifestyle. I felt bad that I, the last child that really could, wouldn't ever be able to give her what she wanted.

Ah for the days when my Lady Hawke's biggest concern in the romance was making her mom proud. ='(

You felt bad? I played an M!Hawke with Anders, so he really was the last surviving heir to carry on the Hawke name. XD When Leandra was talking about finding a nice noble woman for Hawke to marry after I was already flirting with Anders, I was like WAIT. WHAT.

[Sarah1281]

And she didn't already have a comfortable life in the Amell mansion you bought for her?

Besides, it was the Amell name and heritage that was important to her and that could only be carried on through Gamlen...who had a daughter.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 16 mars 2011 - 10:06 .

[maselphie]

I remember when mama Leandra said "Seneschal Bran has a son about your age" and went straight to google to see if that was an actual character. xD Bran must get down, because he looked my age frankly, haha. Anyway, I wanted to just say "MOTHER!" because I was romacin' Fenris. Clearly, elves are weird aliens to her.

Modifié par maselphie, 16 mars 2011 - 10:07 .

[Akrim_Drak]

MsKehoe wrote...

Ah for the days when my Lady Hawke's biggest concern in the romance was making her mom proud. ='(
You felt bad? I played an M!Hawke with Anders, so he really was the last surviving heir to carry on the Hawke name. XD When Leandra was talking about finding a nice noble woman for Hawke to marry after I was already flirting with Anders, I was like WAIT. WHAT.

Yeah... I was so hoping mom'd be like "Um... So... a man hmm?" Nothin 

I get that homosexuality is entirely different in Thedas but it's still apparently "odd" Luckily Carver survived in mine so... he can go do the deed!

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 16 mars 2011 - 10:08 .

[SurelyForth]

Although I have been down on Anders' new voice, I will admit that I am continually floored by the scene just after he almost kills that mage girl. The anguish in his voice right there is amazing.

I also like the echoey effects when he's talking right after the kiss. It makes being hunted and/or hated sound like the most epically romantic thing in the world.

maselphie wrote...

I remember when mama Leandra said "Seneschal Bran has a son about your age" and went straight to google to see if that was an actual character. xD Bran must get down, because he looked my age frankly, haha. Anyway, I wanted to just say "MOTHER!" because I was romacin' Fenris. Clearly, elves are weird aliens to her.

Bran does get down. If you instigate a certain conversation in Anders' clinic w. Isabela in you party, Bran is the lucky person getting cheerfully lectured about STDs.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 16 mars 2011 - 10:14 .

[nodice]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

It only works out well if Anders convinces you of his cause.  Which he did for my Hawke.  

Anders gave her hope.  All her life, my mage Hawke was convinced that the best she could do was avoid the templars.  She never fought--just ran and hid and kept her head down so she and her sister could stay safe.  And then she met Anders, and everything changed.  If you play an apostate, he asks you if every mage doesn't deserve the freedom that you've had your whole life.  He gave her hope that they COULD fight, that one day she wouldn't have to run because there would be no templars to give chase.  

And then he blew up a church, and the two of them ran off to be apostate Bonnie and Clyde together.  Again, both adorable and terrifying.

So an idealist then. After all Anders gave Hawke no choice. She could either go with him or go alone. I've never got why women fall in love with criminals like these. He killed people. He forced all his friends to either die or run. He didn't ask if this was what Hawke wanted. Seems odd that Hawke would be such a pushover.

Also, mages of Kirkwall, here's a hint. STOP USING BLOOD MAGIC!

The arguments that justify Anders' actions also justify what Meredith did.

[leggywillow]

YamiSnuffles wrote...
Hmm, but speaking of Hawke's family/background, if you romanced Anders how did your class change your romance? I mean, the way you played it. I was a femHawke warrior. As a warrior, I was already apt to be protective of my teammates, but doubly so of my mages. So she started as the really protective older sister with Bethany, and then some sort of anti-Templar; a warrior fighting for mages instead of against them.

I really like my rogue Lady Hawke with Anders.  She wasn't a mage or a templar; she simply loved her family (which included Anders by the end of the game) and wanted to fiercely protect them with everything she had.  That's it.  She had no grand ideals or personal vendettas.  She was simply an adventurous (and rather strange) woman who got thrown into events way over her head, and she wrestled with them as best she could.

Sarah1281 wrote...
Besides, it was the Amell name and heritage that was important to her and that could only be carried on through Gamlen...who had a daughter.

Gamlen had a daughter?

[Sarah1281]

I also like the echoey effects when he's talking right after the kiss. It makes being hunted and/or hated sound like the most epically romantic thing in the world.

I thought that he was exaggerating, particularly on the hated part since the Hawkes managed to survive just fine and even settled down for a decade. They probalby could have settled down earlier if Bethany had been older and less of a danger of revealing herself as a mage. Then BOOM! and I saw what he meant.

[SurelyForth]

leggywillow wrote...


Gamlen had a daughter?

Anders: You have a cousin?
Hawke: I...have a cousin?

And, best of all, her name is Charade and she's heard rumors that you're sleeping with Aveline. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

nodice wrote...

So an idealist then. After all Anders gave Hawke no choice. She could either go with him or go alone. I've never got why women fall in love with criminals like these. He killed people. He forced all his friends to either die or run. He didn't ask if this was what Hawke wanted. Seems odd that Hawke would be such a pushover.

Also, mages of Kirkwall, here's a hint. STOP USING BLOOD MAGIC!

The arguments that justify Anders' actions also justify what Meredith did.

Distinction between player and character.  As a player, I think what Anders did was unconscionable.  He killed innocent people, placed his cause above everyone he ever loved, and sparked a war that will result in untold bloodshed.  

But this is a roleplaying game.  You know...roleplaying a character who isn't you and might not think the same way?  My Hawke would've handed him the match if he'd let her. By Act 3, she was just as convinced of the necessity of violent revolution as he was, even without a spirit of Vengeance.  My Hawke was a ruthless, ambitious, and scarily powerful mage who probably turned out even more dangerous than Anders.

[Sarah1281]

I've never got why women fall in love with criminals like these. He killed people. He forced all his friends to either die or run. He didn't ask if this was what Hawke wanted. Seems odd that Hawke would be such a pushover.

Well, I think this case is slightly different since Hawke was already in love with him when he did this.

Gamlen had a daughter?

Yeah, the Act 3 quest 'Gamlen's Greatest Treasure' (instigated by snooping around at his hovel) eventually reveals this.

[maselphie]

SurelyForth wrote...

maselphie wrote...

I remember when mama Leandra said "Seneschal Bran has a son about your age" and went straight to google to see if that was an actual character. xD Bran must get down, because he looked my age frankly, haha. Anyway, I wanted to just say "MOTHER!" because I was romacin' Fenris. Clearly, elves are weird aliens to her.

Bran does get down. If you instigate a certain conversation in Anders' clinic w. Isabela in you party, Bran is the lucky person getting cheerfully lectured about STDs.

Oh god, I forgot about that. xD Yeah, he's a regular Cassanova it seems. I wonder how many children he really has.

[leggywillow]

SurelyForth wrote...

leggywillow wrote...
Gamlen had a daughter?

Anders: You have a cousin?
Hawke: I...have a cousin?

And, best of all, her name is Charade and she's heard rumors that you're sleeping with Aveline.

Oooh, I need to get that quest.

Amell Warden: ::yelling from Ferelden::  I HAVE ANOTHER COUSIN?

[Sable Rhapsody]

leggywillow wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

leggywillow wrote...
Gamlen had a daughter?

Anders: You have a cousin?
Hawke: I...have a cousin?

And, best of all, her name is Charade and she's heard rumors that you're sleeping with Aveline.

Oooh, I need to get that quest.

Amell Warden: ::yelling from Ferelden::  I HAVE ANOTHER COUSIN?

LOL.  My poor Amell Warden.  It turns out she does have family, and they're all insane and dysfunctional.  I think she might just go back to considering herself an orphan.

[nodice]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Distinction between player and character.  As a player, I think what Anders did was unconscionable.  He killed innocent people, placed his cause above everyone he ever loved, and sparked a war that will result in untold bloodshed.  

But this is a roleplaying game.  You know...roleplaying a character who isn't you and might not think the same way?  My Hawke would've handed him the match if he'd let her. By Act 3, she was just as convinced of the necessity of violent revolution as he was, even without a spirit of Vengeance.  My Hawke was a ruthless, ambitious, and scarily powerful mage who probably turned out even more dangerous than Anders.

Oh well, in that case. I'm thinking from the perspective of a nice person. Which my Hawke tried to be. I didn't think this game was exclusively for the ruthless and the mad. This isn't about that however. I was talking about the way Anders treated his loved one. Hawke is put into a position where she has already lost her brother, both parents and her sister's in the Gallows. When I played the romance I thought Anders did several horrible things to Hawke. It was good she got to yell at him at least a bit. Saying "I'm going to break your heart/do stuff that hurt you" is no excuse. Why do you do those things then? She needs you, fool. 

[SolidBeast]

For the entirety of act III, I was on edge and frustrated. And things only kept getting worse. I romanced Anders with a male rogue, who ran away with him in the end. But even so, I couldn't see that ending as even remotely happy, even though they were together, it just seemed so... cruel to Hawke. His entire family dead, a lover who used him - and even though he was able to forgive that - the only person he had left was steadily spiralling into complete madness.
The inability to change this, to influence Anders or help him fight Justice left a bitter taste in my mouth - I thought Hawke's support could ease his pain, but it ended up changing nothing at all.

And here I was, looking forward to "tragedy and destruction!" before the game came out. As a fan of George Martin, I am used to hopelessness and brutality in fiction. But there is a certain thing about this game that stirred something inside me that even A Song Of Ice and Fire could not (even though I think ASOIAF is much superior as a whole, there's no doubt about that). In some strange  way, this game temporarily ruined my enjoyment of all other media. I can't bring myself to read or watch movies because I am still so affected by this experience. In a way, I am afraid any other experience will ruin this feeling - frustration, melancholy, but at the same time, some sort of exhilaration. It is certainly embarrassing.

Anders' story is what made the difference between mediocrity and greatness. It is quite possibly the best story I've ever seen in a video game. And it made me not want to play it again. I am still not sure whether this is a good or a bad thing. Anyone else feel this way?

Also, despite everything, I thought Anders' pre-epilogue dialogue was the icing on top of a cake that is this wonderfully written tragedy: "Ten years from now... A hundred years from now... Someone like me will
love someone like you—and there will be no Templars to tear them
apart."

Even though I don't believe he loved Hawke as much as he kept saying he did, it still had impact and reminded me of some real-life issues out there.

Anyway, after completing the game, I found that my old song suggestion, Hurricane by 30 Second to Mars, really fit Anders even more than I had expected. I suppose we are no longer contributing songs (sorry, I've been avoiding spoilers so I couldn't keep up with this thread)? In any case, I feel the need to post a couple more songs that I think fit this whole story with Anders and the mages:

The thoughts of a circle mage - Civil Twilight - Human
Vengeance taking over - Billy Talent - Devil In a Midnight Mass
Anders plans to destroy the Chantry - Muse - City Of Delusion
The desperation of mages / Orsino - Landon Pigg - The Way It Ends
Anders thinking about the future / end credits - Civil Twilight - Letters From the Sky
Hawke's point of view - Muse - Falling Away With You

Also, pretty much the entire "Resistance" album by Muse... Right, these songs are a little too... mushy. Sorry about that.

[maselphie]

Anders is very quick to accept your help or love, even though he warns you against both. He even jumps up with joy to show how relieved he is you don't kill him, with his stock response: "You continue to surprise me." Do I, Anders? Or have you just cornered me into wanting you around? If he were really surprised, he'd be more confused than happy. "But I did a bad thing. I should die." Nope. "Let's go fight some Templars YEY!"

Sooo mixed about this guy. That's great.

[maselphie]

SolidBeast wrote...

In some strange  way, this game temporarily ruined my enjoyment of all other media. I can't bring myself to read or watch movies because I am still so affected by this experience.

I agree. I have passions in life, and right now all I'm doing is refreshing the forum, heh.

He had a similar impact on me, and the game kept me reeling since I finished it a week ago. It's odd how the two male LIs have different impacts. One is full of drama during the relationship, and the other is full of drama after the ending. And since it's not played out for us, we have to keep thinking about it and wondering. That's very intriguing.

[BubbleDncr]

Sialater wrote...

And BTW, if you take the smartass/teasing options for that... it's even hotter.

Yep. At the time I was still debating between Anders and Fenris, so I teased him, and was like, "damn that's hot!" when he just went for it. I've watched that scene over and over and over and over.....

I think I'm an even bigger Anders fangirl now than I was Alistair

[YamiSnuffles]

Well, I never got the Gamlen quest (my first playthrough seemed very buggy and I didn't get a lot of side quests) so I never knew there was a niece. Plus you get that quest in Act 3, by which point I'd already moved onto worrying about much bigger things. I was worrying about Leandra early/mid Act 2. I don't even know if the official romance had started beyond copious flirting since Act1 (though she never mentioned it when it had either).

[maselphie]

You get the Gamlen quest by check a piece of paper on his table (at the old house).

[fthg42]

SolidBeast wrote...


In some strange  way, this game temporarily ruined my enjoyment of all other media. I can't bring myself to read or watch movies because I am still so affected by this experience. In a way, I am afraid any other experience will ruin this feeling - frustration, melancholy, but at the same time, some sort of exhilaration. It is certainly embarrassing.

Anders' story is what made the difference between mediocrity and greatness. It is quite possibly the best story I've ever seen in a video game. And it made me not want to play it again. I am still not sure whether this is a good or a bad thing. Anyone else feel this way?

maselphie wrote...

I agree. I have passions in life, and right now all I'm doing is refreshing the forum, heh.

THIS IS MY LIFE RIGHT NOW.  It's very irritating.  In a good way.

SolidBeast wrote...

Also, despite everything, I thought Anders' pre-epilogue dialogue was the icing on top of a cake that is this wonderfully written tragedy: "Ten years from now... A hundred years from now... Someone like me will
love someone like you—and there will be no Templars to tear them apart."

QFT.  That line is heartbreaking.  And the delivery was perfect.

[YamiSnuffles]

maselphie wrote...

You get the Gamlen quest by check a piece of paper on his table (at the old house).

Yeah, a lot of quests just never activated for me though. Like I never got Fenris' quest in Act 2... or 3. Thankfully, at least, giving Anders a gift was not essential because that meant I never found his gift either.

[SolidBeast]

It's kind of great to know there are other people as screwed up by this as me.
I can't help but wonder- how are they ever going to top this? Besides giving us more Anders, that is.

Oh, forgot to say "I'm Not Calling You a Liar" also fits somewhat, especially the line "And I love you so much I'm gonna let you kill me".

Totally could not bring myself to do that, for the sake of my own nerves.

[leggywillow]

SolidBeast wrote...
In some strange  way, this game temporarily ruined my enjoyment of all other media. I can't bring myself to read or watch movies because I am still so affected by this experience. In a way, I am afraid any other experience will ruin this feeling - frustration, melancholy, but at the same time, some sort of exhilaration. It is certainly embarrassing.

Anders' story is what made the difference between mediocrity and greatness. It is quite possibly the best story I've ever seen in a video game. And it made me not want to play it again. I am still not sure whether this is a good or a bad thing. Anyone else feel this way?

maselphie wrote...

I agree. I have passions in life, and right now all I'm doing is refreshing the forum, heh.

Ugh.  Quoted for truth indeed.  I even have an exam tomorrow, and I just can't stop thinking about this stupid game.  >_<  It has really gotten to me.  I'm having the opposite reaction though, SolidBeast.  I can't stop playing the game.

SolidBeast wrote...
Also, despite everything, I thought Anders' pre-epilogue dialogue was the icing on top of a cake that is this wonderfully written tragedy: "Ten years from now... A hundred years from now... Someone like me will love someone like you—and there will be no Templars to tear them apart."

That line made me all wibbly. 

Modifié par leggywillow, 16 mars 2011 - 11:02 .