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[Ryzaki]

payroo wrote...

Grace was just...
She complained that she got caught because I didn't give her snacks?! SRSLY wish I could have killed her. Where was Anders and his sammiches then?!

Good lord this. 

"You left us without foood!" 

Screw  you screeching harpy. I killed templars at great personal risk, got another templar on your side, got you several days headstart and you're upset because I DIDN'T GET YOU FOOD?!? 

I'm not your mother! 

Amondra wrote...

Grace stole my Anders...so I ripped her heart out...stupid girl after all I did...after Anders defended her the first time around, when I was all about killing her:pinched:

LOL yeah my Jerk Hawke isn't going to react well to Best Served Cold. I only wish I could kill her on sight instead of waiting for her to stop ranting like a moron. 

And yes not being able to kill her when you first met her is headdesky. Especially if you have Fenris whose "... You really think we don't believe you had nothing to do with the bloodmagic?" 

[leggywillow]

thenyxie wrote...
See, this was always my thing with Act III. I was like, but... Anders, why are you taking up the cause again after leaving it alone the last three years? I only ever wanted the tiniest of explanation. But if he knew about this, then it all makes total sense, and he may have. If the templars in the courtyard at the Gallows are spewing that info to passerby, then it's likely most of the apostates knew. It really does throw everything into a whole new light, and that's why I hate that it's a throwaway piece of dialogue you can easily and completely miss. If Anders had mentioned Meredith having sent for the Rite at any point, it would have made so much more sense to me the first time around.

I've always thought that maybe there was some specific incident, and that it would be perfect for a DLC that takes place between Acts 2 and 3.  I kinda doubt we'll get any Anders-heavy DLC, though, since he was already the most plot-important companion in the game.

[Threeparts]

Ryzaki wrote...

Grace's betrayal makes no sense.

She turns against the only people willing to help her and proves herself to be the exact thing they were trying to avoid.

Screw Grace.
She doesn't even have the "I was desperate" excuse because she learned her BM for her ****** boyfriend. 

Sorry but I can not justify that "I'm gonna kidnap the dude who helped me sis even though he supports the mage cause!" 

URGH. 

Stupid plotshield. 

She says it herself: Grace doesn't care about the other mages, or working to bring down Meredith. None of that matters to her. All she wants is to kill the Champion for murdering her lover. She doesn't feel she needs any reason beyond that, she's too fixated on getting revenge.

[SurelyForth]

leggywillow wrote...

Threeparts wrote...
On the other hand - and if I'm remembering correctly - Gaider mentioned in a thread in the Story/Quests forum that he didn't think the Divine would approve the Annulment.
I totally understand that merely having the threat of it hanging over the mages is enough to spur Anders into action, but it also makes me wonder what Meredith would have done had her messenger come back with a refusal. At that point an Exalted March hadn't actually been called, so was she holding off on the Annulment because she'd rather call a March? Or were both options only possibilities depending on Leliana's report and if things settled down?

It surprises me that the Divine would reject the Annulment.  If she's planning an Exalted March anyway... an Annulment would almost certainly have fewer casualties.  Seems kinda strange.

Casualties might matter less than making a big, **** off example of Kirkwall. What better way to turn Average Joe completely against mages then to have the Chantry raze an entire city-state because mages had corrupted it?

That's my thinking, anyway. And, again, Anders' solution may have been far more humane than anything the Divine had planned.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 04 avril 2011 - 09:14 .

[Ryzaki]

Miri1984 wrote...

I HATE Grace, and I wasn't referring to her betrayal so much as the plot she was involved in (badly worded). She and Thrask manage to get Templars and Mages working together, which doesn't happen before then, possibly because the kind hearted Templars are all I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO THE RITE OF ANNULMENT.

Cullen also says "I fear Ser Alrik's tranquil solution would have been a kinder fate than what is coming." After you chat with him in Act III. So it seems even Cullen knows about it. Although I think he's holding out hope that the Grand Cleric will refuse the rite - possibly he's more informed about that kind of thing given he's from another Circle, one where the rite was actually JUSTIFIED.

The plot made sense...up until they kidnapped Hawke's sibling when Hawke supported them verbally infront of the templars and Meredith in public. 

It's utterly stupid at that point. 

I understand wanting to fight Meredith. That makes perfect sense. Pissing off the most powerful person who could help you do that doesn't make sense. 

[AndreaDraco]

SurelyForth wrote...
And, again, Anders' solution may have been far more humane than anything the Divine had planned.

Knowing how easily the Divines usually declare Exalted Marches, it's very probable...

[Ryzaki]

Threeparts wrote...
She says it herself: Grace doesn't care about the other mages, or working to bring down Meredith. None of that matters to her. All she wants is to kill the Champion for murdering her lover. She doesn't feel she needs any reason beyond that, she's too fixated on getting revenge.

Which is why I'm so irritated at her stupid plotshield. I have to wait 2 acts before killing her when I have a perfectly acceptable excuse in the first act. 

It's stupid and railroady. 

And the kidnapping of the sibling really doesn't make much sense if you publicly support the mages. 

Though your right. Her betrayal does make sense. I just wish Hawke's actions made some.  Eh. I get ranty when it comes to Grace and the headdesk worthiness of Best Served Cold. The end of the quest makes little sense on the mage path. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 avril 2011 - 09:17 .

[shiba5]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

So the main consensus is desktop is better than laptop for PC gaming?
I guess that makes sense...I tried to play the demo on this laptop and seriously couldn't do anything, it was lagging so terribly. Another reason I avoided PC gaming.

Yes, yes yes, a thousand times yes. A laptop is fine as long as you never plan on upgrading it and don't mind paying 3x as much for hardware that will run the same game as smooth as a desktop. I'm exaggerating a little... but not much.

[nyxocity]

bloodtallow wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

My main Hawke is pretty resiliant. It sucks that Bethany is with the Grey Wardens and hates her, but she had no choice and at least she's not dead. It sucks that Leandra died, and ohmakersodramatic, but she can mourn her and move on. Of course, she thinks that Leandra was never going to fully heal after Carver's death and Bethany becoming a Warden.

Anders getting crazier is the worst thing happening to her in Act 3, but even then she's committed herself to be there for him and she gets as much healthy social interactions from her other friends as she can. [...]
 

^This. Although I'll say that my main Hawke would've been so much more of a huge mess without Varric around. She spent most of Act III wondering why Anders was lying to her about the Justice spell. So when the Chantry blew, it was a relief in that it removed the stalemate, AND the worst of what she feared MIGHT be coming could now be faced.

Yes, for my Hawkes, too. Varric is the glue that holds Hawke's motley crew together. I love how he looks out for each of them, from lending twine/buying groceries for Merrill, to keeping the Coterie off of Anders' back, to writing crazy comic books about Aveline's guards, to defusing an often angry Fenris. And let's not forget how he covers for Hawke to Cassandra!

Honestly, where would we all be without Varric?

My Hawke would have been a WRECK without Varric He is like what Sten was to me in DAO when things got rough. I was always, "Stennnn! Old buddy, old pal. Let's go sit down and talk about strange Ferelden customs while I feed you cake." Varric is like that +1000 in DA2.

[Sable Rhapsody]

leggywillow wrote...

It surprises me that the Divine would reject the Annulment.  If she's planning an Exalted March anyway... an Annulment would almost certainly have fewer casualties.  Seems kinda strange.

Yeah, but the Right of Annulment would only target Circle mages.  There are more and more mages rebeling, apostates and Resolutionists who come from outside Kirkwall.  There are conspiracies like Thrask's brewing from within the templar order.  Small wonder that the Divine would consider just going after the whole goddamn city.  It's not just the Circle; the problem is endemic in Kirkwall itself.

[Koffeegirl]

thenyxie wrote...

bloodtallow wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

My main Hawke is pretty resiliant. It sucks that Bethany is with the Grey Wardens and hates her, but she had no choice and at least she's not dead. It sucks that Leandra died, and ohmakersodramatic, but she can mourn her and move on. Of course, she thinks that Leandra was never going to fully heal after Carver's death and Bethany becoming a Warden.

Anders getting crazier is the worst thing happening to her in Act 3, but even then she's committed herself to be there for him and she gets as much healthy social interactions from her other friends as she can. [...]
 

^This. Although I'll say that my main Hawke would've been so much more of a huge mess without Varric around. She spent most of Act III wondering why Anders was lying to her about the Justice spell. So when the Chantry blew, it was a relief in that it removed the stalemate, AND the worst of what she feared MIGHT be coming could now be faced.

Yes, for my Hawkes, too. Varric is the glue that holds Hawke's motley crew together. I love how he looks out for each of them, from lending twine/buying groceries for Merrill, to keeping the Coterie off of Anders' back, to writing crazy comic books about Aveline's guards, to defusing an often angry Fenris. And let's not forget how he covers for Hawke to Cassandra!

Honestly, where would we all be without Varric?

My Hawke would have been a WRECK without Varric He is like what Sten was to me in DAO when things got rough. I was always, "Stennnn! Old buddy, old pal. Let's go sit down and talk about strange Ferelden customs while I feed you cake." Varric is like that +1000 in DA2.

Varric is the true hero of Dragon Age 2. isabela is right....he should be a paragon:)

[nyxocity]

leggywillow wrote...

thenyxie wrote...
See, this was always my thing with Act III. I was like, but... Anders, why are you taking up the cause again after leaving it alone the last three years? I only ever wanted the tiniest of explanation. But if he knew about this, then it all makes total sense, and he may have. If the templars in the courtyard at the Gallows are spewing that info to passerby, then it's likely most of the apostates knew. It really does throw everything into a whole new light, and that's why I hate that it's a throwaway piece of dialogue you can easily and completely miss. If Anders had mentioned Meredith having sent for the Rite at any point, it would have made so much more sense to me the first time around.

I've always thought that maybe there was some specific incident, and that it would be perfect for a DLC that takes place between Acts 2 and 3.  I kinda doubt we'll get any Anders-heavy DLC, though, since he was already the most plot-important companion in the game.

It would be awesome if they were planning to explain with DLC, but I guess I shouldn't hold my breath, huh? Besides being the most plot heavy he tends to be the most hated, as well. In other places besides this thread, I mean. Which is why I cling to it.

[Sialater]

I think Carver beats him in most hated.

[Ryzaki]

Sialater wrote...

I think Carver beats him in most hated.

I will never understand that. Carver's awesomesause. 

[leggywillow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

It surprises me that the Divine would reject the Annulment.  If she's planning an Exalted March anyway... an Annulment would almost certainly have fewer casualties.  Seems kinda strange.

Yeah, but the Right of Annulment would only target Circle mages.  There are more and more mages rebeling, apostates and Resolutionists who come from outside Kirkwall.  There are conspiracies like Thrask's brewing from within the templar order.  Small wonder that the Divine would consider just going after the whole goddamn city.  It's not just the Circle; the problem is endemic in Kirkwall itself.

True but in that case, though, you'd think she'd still approve the Annulment.  May as well weaken the mage forces in the city before you send your army, right?

I still have a hard time imaging Dorothea from Leliana's Song calling an Exalted March.  She seemed so nice.

[SurelyForth]

leggywillow wrote...

I still have a hard time imaging Dorothea from Leliana's Song calling an Exalted March.  She seemed so nice.

Maybe she has a bit of the idol, too, and it's making her crazy like Meredith and Bartrand.

[nyxocity]

Koffeegirl wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

bloodtallow wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

My main Hawke is pretty resiliant. It sucks that Bethany is with the Grey Wardens and hates her, but she had no choice and at least she's not dead. It sucks that Leandra died, and ohmakersodramatic, but she can mourn her and move on. Of course, she thinks that Leandra was never going to fully heal after Carver's death and Bethany becoming a Warden.

Anders getting crazier is the worst thing happening to her in Act 3, but even then she's committed herself to be there for him and she gets as much healthy social interactions from her other friends as she can. [...]
 

^This. Although I'll say that my main Hawke would've been so much more of a huge mess without Varric around. She spent most of Act III wondering why Anders was lying to her about the Justice spell. So when the Chantry blew, it was a relief in that it removed the stalemate, AND the worst of what she feared MIGHT be coming could now be faced.

Yes, for my Hawkes, too. Varric is the glue that holds Hawke's motley crew together. I love how he looks out for each of them, from lending twine/buying groceries for Merrill, to keeping the Coterie off of Anders' back, to writing crazy comic books about Aveline's guards, to defusing an often angry Fenris. And let's not forget how he covers for Hawke to Cassandra!

Honestly, where would we all be without Varric?

My Hawke would have been a WRECK without Varric He is like what Sten was to me in DAO when things got rough. I was always, "Stennnn! Old buddy, old pal. Let's go sit down and talk about strange Ferelden customs while I feed you cake." Varric is like that +1000 in DA2.

Varric is the true hero of Dragon Age 2. isabela is right....he should be a paragon:)

Heh. Agreed. And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he's narrating the story  Not that I care, because without him me and my first Hawke would've fallen apart.

[Sjofn]

leggywillow wrote...

Threeparts wrote...
On the other hand - and if I'm remembering correctly - Gaider mentioned in a thread in the Story/Quests forum that he didn't think the Divine would approve the Annulment.
I totally understand that merely having the threat of it hanging over the mages is enough to spur Anders into action, but it also makes me wonder what Meredith would have done had her messenger come back with a refusal. At that point an Exalted March hadn't actually been called, so was she holding off on the Annulment because she'd rather call a March? Or were both options only possibilities depending on Leliana's report and if things settled down?

It surprises me that the Divine would reject the Annulment.  If she's planning an Exalted March anyway... an Annulment would almost certainly have fewer casualties.  Seems kinda strange.

Yeah, I'm a little surprised Gaider said he didn't think the Divine would be down with it, just because if you're convinced the Kirkwall Circle is THIS CLOSE to rebelling and you're thinking of marching on Kirkwall anyway, it seems like the less bloody solution. Although maybe she wouldn't approve because it's supposed to be the grand cleric's call, and she doesn't want every overzealous knight-commander out there sending her letters saying OMG AUTHORITY PLZ, LOCAL GRAND CLERIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAAAAAAND.

I sort of wonder if Meredith sent for it to be approved because she also knows the Divine has her eye on Kirkwall rather than simply having a hard on for killing mages. It wouldn't surprise me.

[payroo]

SurelyForth wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

I still have a hard time imaging Dorothea from Leliana's Song calling an Exalted March.  She seemed so nice.

Maybe she has a bit of the idol, too, and it's making her crazy like Meredith and Bartrand.

My level of FFFFFFF RAEG would be through the roof if this were the case. LOL IDOL DID IT annoys me so much.

[Ace Attorney]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I think Carver beats him in most hated.

I will never understand that. Carver's awesomesause. 

Carver is more whiny than Allistair and Fenris put together. His inferiority complex is clichéd and dull.

[nyxocity]

Sialater wrote...

I think Carver beats him in most hated.

Really? I've yet to do a mage playthrough, so I haven't experienced him yet. However, it's true I haven't heard much good about him.

[SurelyForth]

payroo wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

I still have a hard time imaging Dorothea from Leliana's Song calling an Exalted March.  She seemed so nice.

Maybe she has a bit of the idol, too, and it's making her crazy like Meredith and Bartrand.

My level of FFFFFFF RAEG would be through the roof if this were the case. LOL IDOL DID IT annoys me so much.

Me, too. Although the fight with Meredith was fairly cool, that aspect of it was so...bleargh. Stupid idol and its stupid, selective mind poisoning.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 04 avril 2011 - 09:31 .

[mellifera]

Whatevz, I love Carver. Best lil' bro ever :')

[leggywillow]

yukidama wrote...

Whatevz, I love Carver. Best lil' bro ever :')

Me too.  He's my favorite character after Anders.  He's such a jerk, and I love him for it.

[SurelyForth]

yukidama wrote...

Whatevz, I love Carver. Best lil' bro ever :')

It seems like he's that divisive. Just like Anders!

They should start a club!