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[jab19782010]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

You guys really wanted the opportunity to kiss the newly minted terrorist? O_o

I think an endgame kiss would have defeated... so many points.

Very true. And other party members would have likely been disgusted. I did not want to make the decision to spare his life and drag him along seem like it was made out of a fit of passion. It might have taken a little while for my character to warm up to him again.

Hawke certainly was smiling a lot at him when she said she'd be a fugitive with him. Maybe that was enough, lawl.

Ok so I am not trying to get anything started or sound like a rebel or anything but I have to add my two cents in on this topic (it has been bugging me). What Anders did is nothing new, so called "terrorist" acts in the name of freedom have been committed for a long time. I think it's because we live in a post 9/11 era that this ending has such a impact on us. For example, many violent acts were committed against British Loyalists during the American revolution (I think the biggest group responsible were called the Sons of Liberty). To Britain these individuals were terrorists, but to Americans they were patriots. Prior and during the Civil War many slave rebellions (Nat Turners 1831 rebellion comes to mind first) ended in violence and again all in the name of freedom. To the slave holders they were terrorists but to slaves they were patriots. There is an old saying I have heard that goes "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

So to the Chantry/Templar's Anders is a terrorist and to the Mages and anti-Circle supporters he is a patriot. And then it all depends on how you view it. I personally don't think he should have resorted to violence but I do understand why he did it. Wanting freedom for the oppressed is not a new concept.

With this being said this is probably why I had my female Hawke ran away with him. But it would take her a very, very, long time after the game to trust him or even be in a so called loving relationship with him again.

Again, please don't think that I believe murder and violence is the way to go, but it has happened like this all through out history.

Modifié par jab19782010, 17 mars 2011 - 02:32 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Pseudocognition wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

That said, I wouldn't have minded a small touch on the cheek or hand or something.

He didn't even expect to live, much less be spared. If he had dared go anywhere within Hawke's personal space unprompted I'd have flipped a table and hoped I could murder knife him right there for being out of character and deluded. You don't get to murder bystanders and blow up the third option and then run back (in any capacity) to the person you had all but left in order to do so, and he seemed to know that. Which is why I'm pleased that the most romantic thing you get is a very cause-centric sentiment.

It didn't seem like a pick-up-where-you-left-off ending for a relationship : Maybe back to square one-and-a-half... different opinions for different Hawkes I guess but that's how I feel about it.

Yeah, this.  The choice to stay with him seemed to me, in my mind, Hawke willingly vilifying his/herself for a cause, and also trying to grant justice to those have and will die as a result of Anders' actions... which I think he wanted anyway, as he obviously seemed like he wanted to die right there.  If he can be made to fight this war that he started, justice will be granted either way.  I think he is afraid, but the spirit has driven him beyond that point of fear.

As for my Mage!Hawke's sentiments at the end of the game, she was extremely pessimistic after all was said and done, tired of all the waffling in the middle and seeing that it got no one anywhere, and is throwing caution to the wind to fight for equal rights seeing as she has nothing left but this cause.  She owes it to the lives lost at Kirkwall Circle at least that much.   The prejudice against magic screwed her life over to begin with, and after being torn to pieces by this conflict in Kirkwall, she's basically taking the leap into the abyss and spreading her wings to see if she can take flight, Anders secured tightly in her talons.  All or nothing.  No regrets.  Freedom was an illusion up to that point.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 17 mars 2011 - 02:33 .

[Darkannex]

My Hawke saw it that despite Anders insistance that he and Justice were One...there was definitely something going on where the one was not adding up right. She was unable to reconcile Act 1 and Act 2 Anders with his actions at Act 3 end. Someone that jokes of kittens and is a devoted lover for nigh 6 years? (or 3?) anyway, and extended amount of time...suddenly acting this way was to her a BIG red flag.

This is the curse of jumping years in narrative...maybe necessary, but leaves so many gaps in the story that make true understanding a big question mark. In those years, did Justice every manifest again (rivalry romance seems to get more of this).

I can easily imagine Anders becoming more and more paranoid and unhinged and desperate...but is that truly what happened. *sigh*

Regardless, my Hawke cannot murder him for something she is not 100% sure he did of his entire free will.

Modifié par Darkannex, 17 mars 2011 - 02:36 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

@Yami: It's okay. I should have been clearer myself, I was sort of using your comment to respond to the general idea of something overtly couple-y in the ending.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 17 mars 2011 - 02:32 .

[jab19782010]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

That said, I wouldn't have minded a small touch on the cheek or hand or something.

He didn't even expect to live, much less be spared. If he had dared go anywhere within Hawke's personal space unprompted I'd have flipped a table and hoped I could murder knife him right there for being out of character and deluded. You don't get to murder bystanders and blow up the third option and then run back (in any capacity) to the person you had all but left in order to do so, and he seemed to know that. Which is why I'm pleased that the most romantic thing you get is a very cause-centric sentiment.

It didn't seem like a pick-up-where-you-left-off ending for a relationship : Maybe back to square one-and-a-half... different opinions for different Hawkes I guess but that's how I feel about it.

Yeah, this.  The choice to stay with him seemed to me, in my mind, Hawke willingly vilifying his/herself for a cause, and also trying to grant justice to those have and will die as a result of Anders' actions... which I think he wanted anyway, as he obviously seemed like he wanted to die right there.  If he can be made to fight this war that he started, justice will be granted either way.  I think he is afraid, but the spirit has driven him beyond that point of fear.

As for my Mage!Hawke's sentiments at the end of the game, she was extremely pessimistic after all was said and done, tired of all the waffling in the middle and seeing that it got no one anywhere, and is throwing caution to the wind to fight for equal rights seeing as she has nothing left but this cause.  She owes it to the lives lost at Kirkwall Circle at least that much.   The prejudice against magic screwed her life over to begin with, and after being torn to pieces by this conflict in Kirkwall, she's basically taking the leap into the abyss and spreading her wings to see if she can take flight, Anders secured tightly in her talons.  All or nothing.  No regrets.  Freedom was an illusion up to that point.

Your last paragraph is awesome, very well put.

[YamiSnuffles]

Pseudocognition wrote...

@Yami: It's okay. I should have been clearer myself, I was sort of using your comment to respond to the general idea of something overtly couple-y in the ending.

Yeah, I got you. I think I'm just defensive when I'm sleepy.

[Rinji the Bearded]

jab19782010 wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

That said, I wouldn't have minded a small touch on the cheek or hand or something.

He didn't even expect to live, much less be spared. If he had dared go anywhere within Hawke's personal space unprompted I'd have flipped a table and hoped I could murder knife him right there for being out of character and deluded. You don't get to murder bystanders and blow up the third option and then run back (in any capacity) to the person you had all but left in order to do so, and he seemed to know that. Which is why I'm pleased that the most romantic thing you get is a very cause-centric sentiment.

It didn't seem like a pick-up-where-you-left-off ending for a relationship : Maybe back to square one-and-a-half... different opinions for different Hawkes I guess but that's how I feel about it.

Yeah, this.  The choice to stay with him seemed to me, in my mind, Hawke willingly vilifying his/herself for a cause, and also trying to grant justice to those have and will die as a result of Anders' actions... which I think he wanted anyway, as he obviously seemed like he wanted to die right there.  If he can be made to fight this war that he started, justice will be granted either way.  I think he is afraid, but the spirit has driven him beyond that point of fear.

As for my Mage!Hawke's sentiments at the end of the game, she was extremely pessimistic after all was said and done, tired of all the waffling in the middle and seeing that it got no one anywhere, and is throwing caution to the wind to fight for equal rights seeing as she has nothing left but this cause.  She owes it to the lives lost at Kirkwall Circle at least that much.   The prejudice against magic screwed her life over to begin with, and after being torn to pieces by this conflict in Kirkwall, she's basically taking the leap into the abyss and spreading her wings to see if she can take flight, Anders secured tightly in her talons.  All or nothing.  No regrets.  Freedom was an illusion up to that point.

Your last paragraph is awesome, very well put.

I'm hoping that some of the stories spread about Hawke involve her swooping down as a dragon to aid the Circles, heh.

[nenosronhir]

Maker, but this thread moves so fast! *trying to catch up, failing miserably!*

Made a couple of banners in the meanwhile because I felt like it - so feel free to nab if any strike your fancy. If anyone's got a preferred image/screencap/quote/what-have-you they'd wanna see, gimme a heads up and I'll do my best to comply (but I'm pretty bad at gifs, so no promises there in regards to non-craptasticalness XD). A few I've already posted but I might as well compile 'em since they're kinda scattered XD

[jab19782010]

Ok, I am so sorry to ask but how do you add banners? I like those, I think you did really well but I'm not sure how to add them.

[nenosronhir]

I believe it's profile > forum settings, then just pop the image link into your signature. [ img ] direct image link here [ /img ] without all the spaces.

Edit: Also, you can either hotlink (right click>view image, copy link in address bar) from my photobucket, or save the image you want and upload it to your own image hosting service and use that.

Modifié par nenosronhir, 17 mars 2011 - 03:04 .

[leggywillow]

Pseudocognition wrote...

You guys really wanted the opportunity to kiss the newly minted terrorist? O_o

I think an endgame kiss would have defeated... so many points.

Um.  No.  Of course I don't want to do that.  I'm not, like, a crazy fangirl who sacrifices story and depth for sexy times... uhhhhh...

I'll see myself out.



(Sorry, the Anders romance is just so damn tragic that the only way I can make myself feel better is by thinking of sexy times and making inappropriate Justice jokes.)

[Milana_Saros]

RinjiRenee wrote...

As for my Mage!Hawke's sentiments at the end of the game, she was extremely pessimistic after all was said and done, tired of all the waffling in the middle and seeing that it got no one anywhere, and is throwing caution to the wind to fight for equal rights seeing as she has nothing left but this cause.  She owes it to the lives lost at Kirkwall Circle at least that much.   The prejudice against magic screwed her life over to begin with, and after being torn to pieces by this conflict in Kirkwall, she's basically taking the leap into the abyss and spreading her wings to see if she can take flight, Anders secured tightly in her talons.  All or nothing.  No regrets.  Freedom was an illusion up to that point.

Thank you for this post. My thoughts excactly, put in a very spot-on and beautiful way.

[nenosronhir]

leggywillow wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
You guys really wanted the opportunity to kiss the newly minted terrorist? O_o

I think an endgame kiss would have defeated... so many points.

Um.  No.  Of course I don't want to do that.  I'm not, like, a crazy fangirl who sacrifices story and depth for sexy times... uhhhhh...

I'll see myself out.



(Sorry, the Anders romance is just so damn tragic that the only way I can make myself feel better is by thinking of sexy times and making inappropriate Justice jokes.)

Hnnnnnng as much as I would agree any touchy-feeliness would have felt wrong, or forced, my fangirly self wouldn't have objected to seeing it because Anders is nothing if not a passionate man and he would've made it look good.

UNREALISTIC PINING ASIDE I'm with everyone else in that I would have loved to see a small touch, gesture, any tiny show of affection.

Also I approve of inappropriate Justice jokes.

[leggywillow]

Tankgirly posted this in the Origins Anders thread:

by runaire

[panamakira]

I have to make new LI banners. Anders definitely left me with a bitter love feeling. Now I have to put it all in one banner...LOL

I don't think I would've liked a kiss. It seemed inappropriate to make out where all those innocent people died but I wished the option to run away would have been less happy. More like "I'm so angry at you for what you did but I blame Justice way more than you....so let's try to find another way to free mages.....trust me this time..."

I just don't think I could kill him when it's obvious that Justice put so much strain on his sanity. I can't blame Anders 100% when he is in a way trapped with a demon inside of him. Because at this point corrupted spirit = demon. Even though Justice and Anders refuse to believe it so.

@leggywillow

That's brilliant! Gave me the perfect idea for a banner! "Dragon Age 2 is too depressing....so here's Anders and kittens.."

Modifié par panamakira, 17 mars 2011 - 03:31 .

[SurelyForth]

I need to replace my banners, but I've had them foreeeeeeeeeeever, when my dreams for Anders involved nothing more controversial than him stealing the king's mistress and then spending a few decades with her, fighting darkspawn and making Nathaniel uncomfortable with their constant threats of a sex ambush.

That being said, I hate that so much time passes in game before he makes a real move. I can fill that void with a Fenris rivalmance and a fling with Isabela, but I know my Hawke definitely wanted to throw herself at him after they returned from the Deep Roads, out of gratitude for (maybe) saving Bethany, at the very least.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 17 mars 2011 - 03:44 .

[vivisekti0]

Random googling made me stumble upon this:

[nodice]

Or rather "heal with it."

[Sialater]

SurelyForth wrote...

I need to replace my banners, but I've had them foreeeeeeeeeeever, when my dreams for Anders involved nothing more controversial than him stealing the king's mistress and then spending a few decades with her, fighting darkspawn and making Nathaniel uncomfortable with their constant threats of a sex ambush.

That being said, I hate that so much time passes in game before he makes a real move. I can fill that void with a Fenris rivalmance and a fling with Isabela, but I know my Hawke definitely wanted to throw herself at him after they returned from the Deep Roads, out of gratitude for (maybe) saving Bethany, at the very least.

Yeah... when he said "three years," I could imagine Margaret Hawke responding, "Yeah, I know.  Three years.  If I'd been any more obvious in my flirting, I would have been better off just to throw you down on one of your patient's beds and rip those robes off you."

[Rinji the Bearded]

nodice wrote...

Or rather "heal with it."

Thank you you just slayed me.

[Galagraphia]

Yes, kittens make everything better. Except the sound of the word 'marsh'.

I imagine my 2nd crazy Hawke would be pissed:
Hawke: Anders!
Anders: I will accept whatever punishment...
Hawke: ANDERS YOU BLOODY BASTARD!!!
Sebastian: *frowns and prepares arrows*
Anders: I know there's nothing I...
Hawke: *punches Anders into his face*
Anders: *falls*
Fenris: *holds Sebastian's hand* No.
Hawke: Andraste's flaming sword! Anders, you're bleeding!
Isabela: Yes, sometimes when you hit people they bleed.
Hawke: *falls on her knees next to Anders* I broke your lovely nose!
Anders: *trying to smile* I was expecting you to break my neck.
Sebastian: It's not too late for that!
Hawke: Shut up. Can't you see he's injured??? *casts a healing spell on Anders' nose* My poor crazy apostate. That's why you and Sandal were playing with lyrium in a basement? You should've told me!
Sebastian: *shocked* YOU APPROVE???
Hawke: No, I just hate to be kept in the dark. Promise me you won't explode buildings without letting me know?

[VampOrchid]

I am happy with the end of the game.

The whole warden and champion dissapearing though, what's with that? I'm sure we will find out in either DLC or DA3, but what I don't want is a story telling us what happened to them. I want to be a part of it. I want to be able to take part of that story and see what happens with our Anders. I'm still hoping for a 'good' ending with Justice. Don't want no Angst, Anders must die to free justice so that he can die sane crap.

[Sialater]

VampOrchid wrote...

I am happy with the end of the game.

The whole warden and champion dissapearing though, what's with that? I'm sure we will find out in either DLC or DA3, but what I don't want is a story telling us what happened to them. I want to be a part of it. I want to be able to take part of that story and see what happens with our Anders. I'm still hoping for a 'good' ending with Justice. Don't want no Angst, Anders must die to free justice so that he can die sane crap.

Yeah... no KOTOR 1 & 2 endings, please.

[Herr Uhl]

VampOrchid wrote...

The whole warden and champion dissapearing though, what's with that?

I think that they're just lampshading that they change protagonists every game.

[Sialater]

Herr Uhl wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...

The whole warden and champion dissapearing though, what's with that?

I think that they're just lampshading that they change protagonists every game.

Hope so.

Otherwise?  It's KOTOR revisited or just a big mess.