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[Sjofn]

thenyxie wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

I was so glad the consoling scenes were put in. I remember the first thing I thought once Leandra died was that I really wanted to run to Anders. Then, magically, the game made it happen. It was so perfect. I swear, I could have cried at that point.

Yes! The whole scene with Gamlen, I was like I DON'T CARE I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS OMG WHERE IS ANDERS? NEED NAO. And then the scene with Gamlen ended and like magic, there was Anders, and it was the most perfect thing ever. I think that moment might have been the most rewarding for me in the entire game, just because I/my character needed it so badly and he delivered exactly what I needed.

See, I loved the Gamlen scene. I was all "waaaaaaah" and he was all "waaaaaah my sister" and like magic Gamlen became one of my favorite characters. Anders showing up was awesome, don't get me wrong, and I was pleased as punch they realised that it's nice to cry on your LI's shoulder when something terrible has just happened (like my dwarf noble would've loved to wail about having to kill her backstabbing brother, because he was still her brother, my Dalish would've wailed about Tamlen, etc), but the Gamlen scene was actually my favorite in that rapid fire group of talky scenes.

Isabela was my favorite comfort scene, entirely because of the "... like ... Aveline!" part. <3 That Hawke and Isabela were an awesome couple, though, so I am sure that's partly why. 

[YamiSnuffles]

Kawamura wrote...

I thought the line was a bit too -- share-y, almost.

I guess it's because it's Aveline. She's like a sister.

That's why I liked the diplomatic choice for that one. Hawke gets to say she doesn't want to talk about it  and just sort of shut down the conversation. Granted, I only took that on my first playthrough, so I don't remember too clearly. I do recall being glad for the option though. It felt right at the time.

[Evessa]

Sounds like you have the nasty Isabella glitch.

Isabela's friendship benefit gives Hawke +5% attack speed, but it's glitched so that every time you take her out of the party or load a save without her, it removes +5% attack speed. The attack speed removal stacks and eventually you notice your character is slower than molasses.

The only 100% effective way to avoid the glitch is to rival Isabela or not friend her. You can try to avoid the worst of the effects by loading an earlier save and never removing her from the party EVER.


I do take her out of the party often. I like to switch between companions. But now that I read this, the second playthrough I did, I took Sebastian with me everywhere in the act two and didn't really use Isabella. I didn't gain her friendship until after fighting the Arishok (on her behalf, such as it was) and I was able to get through it all before my character slowed down in the third. Shoot. I hope Bioware fixes this. I cannot tell you how annoying it is. I want to see Anders blow up the Chantry! lol Those Templars are evil in this game...forcing mages tranquil, turning them into sex slaves (or so it is implied anyway), saying that they aren't people, just demons in disguise. Bah! Although, I confess, I don't mind Merideth.

I do think it's wrong, however, but my girl with still run off with him in the end if possible. It's a shame, I actually like the Grand Cleric, and now my Leliana will be mad at me. lol I was excited to see her again, though I didn't like that she went all Chantry and the Maker after Origins. Ah well. I also don't like the thought that my good friend Sebastian will turn on me. Another round of unhappy endings, anyone? But I did see that one coming...and when Anders started giving away his prized possessions and his outfit changed I did start to panic. Good job again, Bioware.

[Sialater]

I chose the "I blame myself" line.

So, of course, Gamlen agreed. Jackass.

[Threeparts]

MY THOUGHTS ON CIRCLES, LET ME SHOW YOU IT.

Evessa wrote...

lol This is true. But my "Templars" aren't "Templars" as we know them to be. There's no fanatic devotion to the church (first of all, my story has no church), they are just people born with their own unique powers. They can't cast fireballs or anything but they can (like Dragon Age Templars) dispel magic, friendly and hostile. There are zealouts, however, that belong to their own little dark order (like the Black Aja in Wheele of Time), thinking the gods are on their side. In my story, though, the gods favor the "Mages" not the "Templars," as Mages are born of the mixing of their blood with the lesser races (demigods, if you will). No mere "human" has access to magical talent, just those born of the bloodline of the gods, and not all of them do have powers. So they're not "Templars," they're just people born with the ability to dispel magic.

I've mentioned this before, but my solution to the Circles would be to allow mages back into public life. Keep the Circles as learning institutions that are open to both mages and regular people for magical education: the mages learn how to use and control their abilities, and non-mages can understand how magic works to take the edge off their fear.

Take away the system of Chantry law that controls what mages can and cannot do, and treat them as normal people under civil and criminal law. A murder is a murder, regardless of means, so a mage should be tried and sentenced for harming someone with magic the same way someone would if they went mad with an axe.

Incorporate the templars into regular guard forces with the same rules and regulations, just with extra knowledge and abilities that enable them to deal with mages on equal terms. Hell, let mages become templars too, if they want to.

If templars use lyrium to nullify the effects of magic on themselves, then let a few cells in every jail have lyrium baked into the walls, so that a mage can be imprisoned for punishments thatdon't deserve a death sentence, just as a regular person would.

There's the risk of abominations, sure, but there would be people trained in every community that know how to deal with it, and I think the risk would be lessened if the mages didn't feel the need to turn to that sort of power out of fear.

I don't believe many mages would care for the Tevinter style of rule by the magisters: Feynriel certainly sees horrified by some of the things he sees there, and none of the mages we've had as companions thus far are interested in anything but being allowed to go about their business like regular people.
In the even that a group of mages got together determined to overthrow a kingdom, I think there'd be plenty of mages working with templars and regular people to maintain the status quo of equality. I believe few mages would want to see their loved ones sold into slavery, or having to turn to dangerous magic in order to just survive.

It would take many years to accomplish, I'm sure, but I believe it would be a system that would work given time and understanding.

Modifié par Threeparts, 05 avril 2011 - 10:06 .

[cleosilver]

Isolaede wrote...


Here’s how I see the “You should have trusted me” scene playing out for my Hawke:
 
Hawke stood behind Anders, assessing, and weighing, her own inner turmoil battling with her love for the sad, broken man sitting slumped before her.  Yet for all the turmoil in her, all of the questioning, she knew, had always known how, this would play out.
 
Quietly stepping around him, she knelt, touched his hand and whispered fiercely: “I’d drown the whole world in blood just to keep you safe.”
 
He finally met her eyes then, confusion warring on his features. “No…!”
 
“You can’t die – I will not allow it.  If I have to kill every person here, I WILL keep you safe.  You will live.”
 
Anders eyes burned into hers and his voice was harsh, and grief stricken when he spoke: “No, love, you can’t do this.  This is MY choice, and the burden. I will not see you damned for me…”
 
“Your burdens, are my burdens, and your damnation mine” she whispered, before her eyes hardened, “and next time you think to do something so rash without involving me, you’d best remember that.” 

"You would do no less for me.  So for now, live.  Live for me.... please.  I can't do this alone." Her voice cracked at the end, and she could see acceptence there finally in his eyes.

Giving his hand a quick squeeze, she stood, and  positioned herself between Anders and those waiting, proclaiming quietly and firmly: "Anders lives."

<sigh>

I do love me some Anders!! 

My Hawke is similar. Everything she's done has been to protect her family and friends. She's not going to stop now.

[AnniLau]

leggywillow wrote...

Sounds like you have the nasty Isabella glitch.

She should really get a salve from Anders for that.

[Anarya]

Sialater wrote...

I chose the "I blame myself" line.

So, of course, Gamlen agreed. Jackass.

I did this too, and then I got petty and told him why Leandra died.

I felt kinda bad afterward <_<

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evessa wrote...
I do think it's wrong, however, but my girl with still run off with him in the end if possible. It's a shame, I actually like the Grand Cleric.

I like Elthina too, but on subsequent playthroughs...I don't know.  Inaction is still a choice, and it's one she made over and over.  It's so cliched, but with power comes responsibility.  She had power in Kirkwall.  But instead of stepping up to her responsibilities, she hid her head in the sand and just refused to deal with it.

[leggywillow]

Sialater wrote...

I chose the "I blame myself" line.

So, of course, Gamlen agreed. Jackass.

I love Gamlen.  He really grew on me, especially when he says "I hear you moved that apostate boy into your house.  You really are your mother's daughter."

I can just imagine this:

Hawke: ::happy sobs:: ::clings to Gamlen like a koala bear:: THANK YOU SO MUCH
Gamlen: Gah!  That wasn't supposed to be a compliment, girl!
Hawke: I love you!
Gamlen: Stop it! Get off me!

[Kawamura]

Sialater wrote...

I chose the "I blame myself" line.

So, of course, Gamlen agreed. Jackass.

Hey, why not. Gamlen really felt like family, there, as Mum also loved blaming Hawke.

.______.

No wonder that poor boy is drawn into all sort of ****. His parents seem to have taught him a very strong sense of resposibility for evertything. Next, my Hawke's gonna start saying there are darkspawn in the deep roads because he didn't work hard enough.

Well. He wouldn't say it. He'd think it. And then make an off color joke about penes, cats and drunk elves.

[Miri1984]

Do you think Anders has any of Kristoff's memories? I'm toying with the idea of a Hawke/Aura parallel in my current fanfic, wondering if maybe one of the reasons why Anders' attitude to relationships has changed so much since Awakenings because he can remember how Kristoff felt about his wife...

[Evessa]

I have been lucky I have yet to encounter it, of course now that I have mentioned it, all hell will break loose on my game I can feel it.


lol I hear ya. Hate when that happens. Say something is good out loud and then it all goes to hell. You'd be surprised how much that happens to me. I could be imagining it, lol, but sometimes I wonder.

[Sialater]

Miri1984 wrote...

Do you think Anders has any of Kristoff's memories? I'm toying with the idea of a Hawke/Aura parallel in my current fanfic, wondering if maybe one of the reasons why Anders' attitude to relationships has changed so much since Awakenings because he can remember how Kristoff felt about his wife...

THAT is a very interesting question.  He doesn't give any indication of it, but it might be why he's so set on falling for Hawke.  Justice... despite "disapproving of his obsession," might still examine those memories from time to time.

Part of that aching for three years.

~watched the plot bunny run between her legs toward the nearest rabbit hole~ Oh, hell....

[Sjofn]

Sialater wrote...

I chose the "I blame myself" line.

So, of course, Gamlen agreed. Jackass.

Like the fight with Carver, I actually liked that. I am the big stupid hero of the family, so if anyone could've saved her, it was indeed me. If I were Gamlen, I probably would've said the same exact thing. People often need to blame someone or something when they're blindsided by something horrible. It made Gamlen real, it made his grief real, and it made how much he really cared about his sister, in spite of his parents ****ting on him in favor of her, very real.

I blame myself every time. <3

[leggywillow]

Miri1984 wrote...

Do you think Anders has any of Kristoff's memories? I'm toying with the idea of a Hawke/Aura parallel in my current fanfic, wondering if maybe one of the reasons why Anders' attitude to relationships has changed so much since Awakenings because he can remember how Kristoff felt about his wife...

Hmm, interesting question.  I would say probably so, but I hope not.  The last thing poor Janders needs is a third guy's memories floating around in that crazy and adorable little head.

[Amondra]

Miri1984 wrote...

Do you think Anders has any of Kristoff's memories? I'm toying with the idea of a Hawke/Aura parallel in my current fanfic, wondering if maybe one of the reasons why Anders' attitude to relationships has changed so much since Awakenings because he can remember how Kristoff felt about his wife...

That's a good idea.  Justice had some of those memories and he did merge with Anders I think it is possible, that Anders felt what Kristoff felt and wanted it, even though he thought the idea of falling in love was no longer in his cards.

[mellifera]

AnniLau wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Sounds like you have the nasty Isabella glitch.

She should really get a salve from Anders for that.

You're slowed down because she's got her 'thumbs up' your.......

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kawamura wrote...

No wonder that poor boy is drawn into all sort of ****. His parents seem to have taught him a very strong sense of resposibility for evertything. 

This.  100% this for my Hawke.  She has such responsibility (and related guilt) issues.  It's also why characters like Elthina and Sebastian raise her hackles.

[Threeparts]

Miri1984 wrote...

Do you think Anders has any of Kristoff's memories? I'm toying with the idea of a Hawke/Aura parallel in my current fanfic, wondering if maybe one of the reasons why Anders' attitude to relationships has changed so much since Awakenings because he can remember how Kristoff felt about his wife...

I've wondered about that too. It's mentioned in the short story that he has memories from both Anders and Justice, so I imagine there's a little Kristoff in there too. I don't think he'd necessarily recognise them for what they are: maybe a sudden dislike of a food he never minded before, or feelings of "I've been here before, haven't I?" in places he's never visited. It's a curious idea, though, and I think you could make something of it in a fic.

[Amondra]

yukidama wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Sounds like you have the nasty Isabella glitch.

She should really get a salve from Anders for that.

You're slowed down because she's got her 'thumbs up' your.......

Ahh now it all makes sense...

[SurelyForth]

Miri1984 wrote...

Do you think Anders has any of Kristoff's memories? I'm toying with the idea of a Hawke/Aura parallel in my current fanfic, wondering if maybe one of the reasons why Anders' attitude to relationships has changed so much since Awakenings because he can remember how Kristoff felt about his wife...

Let's say yes! If Justice was able to remember Anders enough to follow him around before the merging and know why they'd want to join in the first place, then it stands to reason that he'd remember everything about being in Kristoff's body, including his memories. Which, to be honest, doesn't make a whole lot of scientific sense, but it's a video game, so we'll go with it. 

[0o-Constance-o0]

Miri1984 wrote...

Do you think Anders has any of Kristoff's memories? I'm toying with the idea of a Hawke/Aura parallel in my current fanfic, wondering if maybe one of the reasons why Anders' attitude to relationships has changed so much since Awakenings because he can remember how Kristoff felt about his wife...

I'm doing something similar, care to send me it? I'm rather interested

[Ryzaki]

... bah. 

I want the patch now. T_T

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 avril 2011 - 10:18 .

[silver-crescent]

Isolaede wrote...

I see Anders’ as Hawke soul mate, for better or worse.  No matter what sex you play, or which character you ultimately end up romancing, I believe he loves you madly and truly throughout the course of the game.  Thus the reason he’d “drown the whole world in blood, just to keep you safe”  (I adored him for saying this) even if you didn’t romance him.  And also the reason I think he’s 100 times more grumpy and hopeless if you don’t romance him.  It’s like the life just drains out of him. He also mentions he feels like he knows you, very early in the game, which is strange because you just met, but a definite mark of a soul mate connection.  And then later that you remind him of “someone” (the Warden). 
 
I think his bi-sexual speech is telling: He does not feel that love should be restricted by the body you inhabit, he loves the soul for the souls sake.  In your case, he loves YOUR soul – the spark you put into all of your characters.  He loved your Warden, even though he never acted on it, and now he loves your Hawke no matter what sex you play, or faction you ultimately support. He can't help himself.
 
It’s beautiful and heartbreaking, and a huge part of the reason I could never bring myself to accept giving Kirkwall the justice it needed, or Anders the death he yearned for in the end.  Because I knew, no matter what I’d done, he would never turn his back on me – never see me killed.
 
Here’s how I see the “You should have trusted me” scene playing out for my Hawke:
 
Hawke stood behind Anders, assessing, and weighing, her own inner turmoil battling with her love for the sad, broken man sitting slumped before her.  Yet for all the turmoil in her, all of the questioning, she knew, had always known how, this would play out.
 
Quietly stepping around him, she knelt, touched his hand and whispered fiercely: “I’d drown the whole world in blood just to keep you safe.”
 
He finally met her eyes then, confusion warring on his features. “No…!”
 
“You can’t die – I will not allow it.  If I have to kill every person here, I WILL keep you safe.  You will live.”
 
Anders eyes burned into hers and his voice was harsh, and grief stricken when he spoke: “No, love, you can’t do this.  This is MY choice, and the burden. I will not see you damned for me…”
 
“Your burdens, are my burdens, and your damnation mine” she whispered, before her eyes hardened, “and next time you think to do something so rash without involving me, you’d best remember that.” 

"You would do no less for me.  So for now, live.  Live for me.... please.  I can't do this alone." Her voice cracked at the end, and she could see acceptence there finally in his eyes.

Giving his hand a quick squeeze, she stood, and  positioned herself between Anders and those waiting, proclaiming quietly and firmly: "Anders lives."


<sigh>

I do love me some Anders!! 

*sigh* indeed