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[Camilladilla]

From the kinkmeme
by uhh... an awesome kinkmeme anon?

Obviously not NSFW.

The prompt was:

Anders plays the lute for Hawke.

Hawke does not appreciate.

Edit: Cool, it even doubles as a top of the page pic too!

Modifié par Camilladilla, 05 avril 2011 - 10:19 .

[Camenae]

I don't know if anyone ever watched the show Stargate or even heard of it, but this whole Anders/Justice thing just reminds me so much of that show.

In Stargate the main villain are the Go'auld, a race of symbiotes who take over people as hosts and completely replace the consciousness of their hosts. So the Go'aulds you could say are like the demons that turn people into abominations.

And then there are the Tokra. This is a race of symbiotes similar to the Go'auld, except they do not completely take over but co-exist with the consciousness of the host. So the human host can switch back and forth between the symbiote's will and the original host's will. They help the humans fight the Go'aulds.

In either case, merging with a symbiote cures a human of most illnesses/injuries, kinda like how the spirit of faith healed Wynne.

The Go'auld/Tokra even have the whole eyes-glowing thing going on for them, and the deep-and-echoing voice when it's the symbiote talking.

[Evessa]

I like Elthina too, but on subsequent playthroughs...I don't know. Inaction is still a choice, and it's one she made over and over. It's so cliched, but with power comes responsibility. She had power in Kirkwall. But instead of stepping up to her responsibilities, she hid her head in the sand and just refused to deal with it.


I admit that when things came to a head with the Qunari and then the battle of wills, so to speak, in the square between Orsino and Merideth, I started to wonder if Elthina was actually pulling all of the strings around her and was making a grasp for power herself, out of the chaos. Because she did make the decision to stand by and let the Maker's will decide...and me, I'm thinking, "what the hell, woman, do something." Foolish priests, always thinking the Maker will step in and fix things.

[Miri1984]

@Camenae HAH! We had a discussion about Anders being a Tok'ra a few months back .

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Modifié par Miri1984, 05 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[Evessa]

Ahh now it all makes sense...


Ha ha!

[Kawamura]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

No wonder that poor boy is drawn into all sort of ****. His parents seem to have taught him a very strong sense of resposibility for evertything. 

This.  100% this for my Hawke.  She has such responsibility (and related guilt) issues.  It's also why characters like Elthina and Sebastian raise her hackles.

Yep. Except my Hawke would never let anyone know how responsible he felt for everything (except, you know, to mom, Anders and Gamlen that once). He'd just act like NOPE DON'T CARE ABOUT NUFFIN'.

Modifié par Kawamura, 05 avril 2011 - 10:27 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evessa wrote...
I admit that when things came to a head with the Qunari and then the battle of wills, so to speak, in the square between Orsino and Merideth, I started to wonder if Elthina was actually pulling all of the strings around her and was making a grasp for power herself, out of the chaos.

I think that gives her too much credit.  She's a good, kind-hearted, compassionate, and well-intentioned person.  But she's none too quick on the uptake.  

Like I said earlier, my Hawke is all about responsibility.  And as a player, my morality tends to skew more toward consequentialism.  Intentions are all well and good, but ultimately the good you do gets measured in results.  Elthina's sitting on a big fat zero there.

[Sjofn]

Evessa wrote...

I like Elthina too, but on subsequent playthroughs...I don't know. Inaction is still a choice, and it's one she made over and over. It's so cliched, but with power comes responsibility. She had power in Kirkwall. But instead of stepping up to her responsibilities, she hid her head in the sand and just refused to deal with it.


I admit that when things came to a head with the Qunari and then the battle of wills, so to speak, in the square between Orsino and Merideth, I started to wonder if Elthina was actually pulling all of the strings around her and was making a grasp for power herself, out of the chaos. Because she did make the decision to stand by and let the Maker's will decide...and me, I'm thinking, "what the hell, woman, do something." Foolish priests, always thinking the Maker will step in and fix things.

That's basically how I feel about Elthina myself. I don't hate her, but I find her extremely frustrating. Her inaction has an effect, and it's all for the worse. She wants to maintain the status quo, but her refusal to do anything ... well, it pretty much destroys the status quo.

I also don't get the "well, if the Maker wills" stuff, given a major thing in that religion is that the Maker, you know, left. That you're supposed to do your best to be a good person in order to prove that the Maker should get over it and come back. But until then, we're on our own. I mean, that's why Leliana was considered a giant weirdo, she believed the Maker actually pays attention.

[leggywillow]

Kawamura wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

No wonder that poor boy is drawn into all sort of ****. His parents seem to have taught him a very strong sense of resposibility for evertything.

This.  100% this for my Hawke.  She has such responsibility (and related guilt) issues.  It's also why characters like Elthina and Sebastian raise her hackles.

Yep. Except my Hawke would never let anyone know how responsible he felt for everything (except, you know, to mom, Anders and Gamlen that once). He'd just act like NOPE DON'T CARE ABOUT NUFFIN'.

This, this, this.  That's probably why my Hawke comes across as such a lunatic all the time, trying to hide just how guilty and responsible she feels for everything.

[mesmerizedish]

Elthina was a good person, but she was a ****ty Grand Cleric.

The mage freedom issue aside, her templars were breaking Chantry law, abusing the Rite of Tranquility, and raping mages (Tranquil and otherwise). Those crimes were committed on her watch. There's not excusing that.

[Miri1984]

Re: Elthina not to mention the whole Meredith sending for the rite of annulment thing at the beginning of Act III over Elthina's head. Even freaking MEREDITH thinks she's incompetent.

[Camilladilla]

Sjofn wrote...

That's basically how I feel about Elthina myself. I don't hate her, but I find her extremely frustrating. Her inaction has an effect, and it's all for the worse. She wants to maintain the status quo, but her refusal to do anything ... well, it pretty much destroys the status quo.

I also don't get the "well, if the Maker wills" stuff, given a major thing in that religion is that the Maker, you know, left. That you're supposed to do your best to be a good person in order to prove that the Maker should get over it and come back. But until then, we're on our own. I mean, that's why Leliana was considered a giant weirdo, she believed the Maker actually pays attention.

It's how I view things with Elthina as well. According to Gaider she is all that is keeping the templar's in check apparently and I have a feeling that her inaction is largely what led to the situation in Kirkwall, lyrium idols aside. She really wasn't suited for such a role of power, I don't really know if her successor would have been much better.

[leggywillow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Evessa wrote...
I admit that when things came to a head with the Qunari and then the battle of wills, so to speak, in the square between Orsino and Merideth, I started to wonder if Elthina was actually pulling all of the strings around her and was making a grasp for power herself, out of the chaos.

I think that gives her too much credit.  She's a good, kind-hearted, compassionate, and well-intentioned person.  But she's none too quick on the uptake. 

I don't know.  I can see that in regards to the Meredith/Orsino stuff, but after paying more attention to Petrice and the qunari conflict in later playthroughs, it really has me wondering just what is going on in Elthina's head.  I don't think she was making any kind of grasp for power, because if that were the case, she's ALREADY supposed to be more powerful than Meredith, Orsino, and even the viscount.  She's the one who allowed her office to deteriorate to the powerless state it seemed to be in by Act 3.

But I wonder if Elthina doesn't have her own strong opinions and a hidden agenda that she furthers by just sitting back.  Petrice is the perfect example of this.  Petrice mentions that she'd been preaching anti-qunari stuff in every sermon for years.  Elthina would HAVE to notice that.  Petrice even got "promoted" between Acts 1 and 2, which indicates that Elthina was paying some attention to her during that time.  Elthina would truly have to be a dingbat not to notice Petrice's very obvious attempts to sway public opinion against the qunari.  She had to know that nothing good would come of that, but she does nothing.  NOTHING.  Why?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sjofn wrote...
I also don't get the "well, if the Maker wills" stuff, given a major thing in that religion is that the Maker, you know, left. That you're supposed to do your best to be a good person in order to prove that the Maker should get over it and come back. 

I loved getting the opportunity to call her out on her bull when she talks to you about the Blight.  She's all like, the Maker saved us!  And my Hawke was like, STFU.  My cousin, a Grey Warden, the same mage who tried to free the Ferelden Circle, is the one to saved all our sorry behinds.

[Amondra]

The thing with Elthina is her complacency, it drove me mad! I swear I think a Sloth demon got her when no one was looking. Or Meredith scared her even, thus she didn't want to do anything, out fear. But overall I didn't care for her. She seemed like a nice old lady but some of the things she said and her lack of even trying to do anything, just got under my skin.

[Camilladilla]

leggywillow wrote...

I don't know.  I can see that in regards to the Meredith/Orsino stuff, but after paying more attention to Petrice and the qunari conflict in later playthroughs, it really has me wondering just what is going on in Elthina's head.  I don't think she was making any kind of grasp for power, because if that were the case, she's ALREADY supposed to be more powerful than Meredith, Orsino, and even the viscount.  She's the one who allowed her office to deteriorate to the powerless state it seemed to be in by Act 3.

But I wonder if Elthina doesn't have her own strong opinions and a hidden agenda that she furthers by just sitting back.  Petrice is the perfect example of this.  Petrice mentions that she'd been preaching anti-qunari stuff in every sermon for years.  Elthina would HAVE to notice that.  Petrice even got "promoted" between Acts 1 and 2, which indicates that Elthina was paying some attention to her during that time.  Elthina would truly have to be a dingbat not to notice Petrice's very obvious attempts to sway public opinion against the qunari.  She had to know that nothing good would come of that, but she does nothing.  NOTHING.  Why?

Oh god and suddenly it makes perfect sense why Elthina immediately believes Hawke without any proof but his word when he accuses Petrice of all that Qunari business in the chantry. WTH?!

[Kawamura]

leggywillow wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

No wonder that poor boy is drawn into all sort of ****. His parents seem to have taught him a very strong sense of resposibility for evertything.

This.  100% this for my Hawke.  She has such responsibility (and related guilt) issues.  It's also why characters like Elthina and Sebastian raise her hackles.

Yep. Except my Hawke would never let anyone know how responsible he felt for everything (except, you know, to mom, Anders and Gamlen that once). He'd just act like NOPE DON'T CARE ABOUT NUFFIN'.

This, this, this.  That's probably why my Hawke comes across as such a lunatic all the time, trying to hide just how guilty and responsible she feels for everything.

I just set up my Hawke to be pre-Justice Anders. No thoughts for me!

[Camenae]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Camenae HAH! We had a discussion about Anders being a Tok'ra a few months back .

NERD TEST: If you know the difference between a Stargate Wormhole and a Sliders Wormhole you pass. And can come over my place for a beer and videos night.

 at the kink meme fill. THAT'S PERFECT!

I did watch both Stargate and Sliders, but the latter to a much lesser extent.  So I don't know the difference between the two show's wormholes.  The Stargate one travels through space and the Sliders one travels through time AND space? :X

Anyway it was the people talking about do Anders have Kristoff's memories that reminded me of the Tok'ra.  When Sam merged with that Tok'ra Jolinar temporarily, she remembered Jolinar's feelings for her mate Martouf.  I was really touched when Sam later met Martouf in person and she says, "I don't just KNOW how she felt about you.  I FEEL it."

Anyway I've nerded it up enough now...

[AndreaDraco]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

The mage freedom issue aside, her templars were breaking Chantry law, abusing the Rite of Tranquility, and raping mages (Tranquil and otherwise). Those crimes were committed on her watch. There's not excusing that.

Perfectly said.

Moreover, what Sister/Mother Petrice did couldn't possibly be unknown to her and yet she decided once again not to act against her vile racism. Man, I hate Sister Petrice.

Modifié par AndreaDraco, 05 avril 2011 - 10:40 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

leggywillow wrote...

But I wonder if Elthina doesn't have her own strong opinions and a hidden agenda that she furthers by just sitting back.  Petrice is the perfect example of this.  Petrice mentions that she'd been preaching anti-qunari stuff in every sermon for years.  Elthina would HAVE to notice that.  Petrice even got "promoted" between Acts 1 and 2, which indicates that Elthina was paying some attention to her during that time.  Elthina would truly have to be a dingbat not to notice Petrice's very obvious attempts to sway public opinion against the qunari.  She had to know that nothing good would come of that, but she does nothing.  NOTHING.  Why?

Huh, I didn't think of that.  I figured she just thought that the preachers had a right to their opinions, and that her place wasn't to interfere as long as they didn't do anything overtly illegal.  But I think she's honestly just a coward.  She thinks that neutrality gives her the moral high ground, when all it does is make her useless.

[Sjofn]

AndreaDraco wrote... 

Man, I hate Sister Petrice.

She is delightfully hateful. I love hating her.

[Camilladilla]

Sjofn wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote... 

Man, I hate Sister Petrice.

She is delightfully hateful. I love hating her.

I think Petrice is awesome. I also loved Anora and Morrigan. I seem to have a thing for ****y women, but they give me the most entertainment.

[Evessa]

I bothered me greatly that the Templars were forcing mages tranquil and then raping them, now that all they had in their heads was the will to follow orders like zombies. I gotta say, it disturbed me a little that the writers painted such a violent picture in this game. I like the game, but Anders has every right to want to burn the Templars. What was it he said in Awakening when you first met him..."Most people enjoy being kicked in the face each morning, but me, I'm just so picky." Something like that.

It also made me very sad what has happened to Anders. I still like his character, but I do miss the fun loving, cocky, sarcastic mage I fell in love with in Awakening - and could NOT romance: I'm never going to forgive Bioware for that, lol. And I missed Greg Ellis's voice. The voice actor is just as good, but Greg Ellis was Anders and that is how I will always feel. I was glad that Cullen had such a role in this game though, so Greg Ellis was still there...he just wasn't Anders. And, hey, Cullen...very attractive in this game. Liking it a lot. Of course, that would have been preferred in Origins when he was fawning over my mage. Oh god...I don't have to kill Cullen, do I? I haven't been able to finish the game, please tell me I don't have to kill him. I worried about that from the start when I saw he was in the game. Still like Cullen's character, despite his going insane in Origins. Gasp! The horror!

[Trophonius]

Elthina did absolutely nothing even when she revealed Meredith's call for the Right of Annulment before Anders took any course of action. If that's not indolence, I don't know what is. Hell, Dumar was doing more than she ever did against the qunari. She's nothing more than a decrepit and insipid woman who needs to wake the f*** up.

She wasted so much time waiting for the Maker to do anything. Thanks to Anders, she'll finally meet her damn Maker.

Modifié par Trophonius, 05 avril 2011 - 10:49 .

[Sjofn]

Camilladilla wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote... 

Man, I hate Sister Petrice.

She is delightfully hateful. I love hating her.

I think Petrice is awesome. I also loved Anora and Morrigan. I seem to have a thing for ****y women, but they give me the most entertainment.

I enjoyed being mean to Anora as well. I straight up love Morrigan, though. I don't hate her at all.