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[VampOrchid]

Amondra wrote...


You like my fic *cries tears of joy*

I am OrchidLover

[Sable Rhapsody]

Evessa wrote...

Oh god...I don't have to kill Cullen, do I? I haven't been able to finish the game, please tell me I don't have to kill him. I worried about that from the start when I saw he was in the game. Still like Cullen's character, despite his going insane in Origins. Gasp! The horror!

Nah, Cullen's just fine regardless of who you side with.  By virtue of being the slightly less apes*** guy.  Though he just kinda shrugs at Alrik's Tranquil solution too.  GRR.

Where the hell is the moral outrage at the abuses of the templars?  You bring it to Cullen, to Elthina, and they both just go "meh."  If I were in Elthina's shoes, I'd be mortified that something like that had happened on my watch.

[Evessa]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Man, I hate Sister Petrice.



She is delightfully hateful. I love hating her.


Ooh...I hated that biatch. I knew she was evil from the moment I saw her. Those eyes...something was wrong with those eyes. Gotta hand it to Bioware for managing such expression in the characters' eyes and faces this time round; though I do miss the way people looked in Origins. How god awful did Zevran and Alistair look! I shuddered when I saw them - ruining my beautiful Alistair like that (my girls wouldn't go for him now). Leliana looks good, and wow is Isabela ever an major improvement. Anders is...all right, but I liked him better in Awakening. In my mind I decided that he looked worse because he's been plagued by a spirit of vengeance for so long - that would take a toll on anyone. :0

[AtreiyaN7]

Camenae wrote...

I don't know if anyone ever watched the show Stargate or even heard of it, but this whole Anders/Justice thing just reminds me so much of that show.

In Stargate the main villain are the Go'auld, a race of symbiotes who take over people as hosts and completely replace the consciousness of their hosts. So the Go'aulds you could say are like the demons that turn people into abominations.

And then there are the Tokra. This is a race of symbiotes similar to the Go'auld, except they do not completely take over but co-exist with the consciousness of the host. So the human host can switch back and forth between the symbiote's will and the original host's will. They help the humans fight the Go'aulds.

In either case, merging with a symbiote cures a human of most illnesses/injuries, kinda like how the spirit of faith healed Wynne.

The Go'auld/Tokra even have the whole eyes-glowing thing going on for them, and the deep-and-echoing voice when it's the symbiote talking.

Yep, I watched SG-1 & SG: Atlantis (SG:U...well, I didn't really love it and it's been canceled anyway, so meh to SG:U). I'd say that the Anders situation is rather like a Goa'uld-type situation (especially if you go down the rivalmance path). Not sure if I'd categorize Wynne as Tok'ra - the Spirit of Faith never actually took control or gave much sign of its pesence (other than her Vessel of the Spirit thing or whatever that ability was). I'm not sure it would ever take active control of Wynne, but if it did, then yeah, maybe it would be in line with Tok'ra behavior.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 05 avril 2011 - 10:56 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Sjofn wrote...

AndreaDraco wrote... 

Man, I hate Sister Petrice.

She is delightfully hateful. I love hating her.

Pretty much this.

[Amondra]

Sister Petrice, had me seeing red! She is one the people in the game I wanted a cut scene of me killing them slowly >.< Maybe in my fic my Hawke will get such joy

@VampOrchid: Ahh it all makes sense, but none the less I am so happy

[SurelyForth]

I love Petrice because she is so casually and openly disdainful of Hawke in the beginning and everything surrounding her quests is awesome. Hawke makes hilarious WTF I Hate You! face several times, you get a keen walk-and-talk into the Chantry (which I adore for some reason, especially when it's Anders who is all "So...you're doing this, huh? Because of what a drunk told you. O....kay.") and her delivery of "...stubborn." is perfect.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 05 avril 2011 - 11:02 .

[Felinu]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Camenae HAH! We had a discussion about Anders being a Tok'ra a few months back .

NERD TEST: If you know the difference between a Stargate Wormhole and a Sliders Wormhole you pass. And can come over my place for a beer and videos night.

 at the kink meme fill. THAT'S PERFECT!

 
/delurk

Umm... Sliders moved you do alternate universes/earths and Stargates moved you from world to world, and even galaxy to galaxy?  (Well, unless that whole solar flare thing was involved and then Stargate's was a time machine apparently... )

aaaand... just to be "on topic"... Anders
I've romanced him several times, only managed Fenris twice.  I like Fenris, but that whole Anders stays with you for 3 years, while Fenris dumps you and expects you wait 3 years while he figures out how to apologize thing is just  to me.  I'll take crazy and devoted, thank you.  The codex for Anders is sweeter too.  I loved the purple response to Varric's questioning you about Anders though: "What I have I done in the time you've known me to make you think I'm turned *off* by crazy!?" 

Okies...

[leggywillow]

SurelyForth wrote...

I love Petrice because she is so casually and openly disdainful of Hawke in the beginning and everything surrounding her quests is so awesome. Hawke makes WTF I Hate You Face! several times, you get a keen walk-and-talk into the Chantry (which I adore for some reason, especially when it's Anders who is all "So...you're doing this, huh? Because of what a drunk told you. O....kay.") and her delivery of "...stubborn." is perfect.

Bahaha, I loved that too.  It felt badass strutting into the Chantry like that for some reason.  And yes, Anders is hilarious there.  "A drunk says blah blah.  That's enough evidence for you?"

And Hawke is all "Evidence? Pssh!  Let's bust some heads."

[0o-Constance-o0]

I loved Patrice, she was such an interesting character!! Especially when, at the start you think her intentions are all well and good but then you slowly realise that she's INSANE

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Threeparts wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Do you think Anders has any of Kristoff's memories? I'm toying with the idea of a Hawke/Aura parallel in my current fanfic, wondering if maybe one of the reasons why Anders' attitude to relationships has changed so much since Awakenings because he can remember how Kristoff felt about his wife...

I've wondered about that too. It's mentioned in the short story that he has memories from both Anders and Justice, so I imagine there's a little Kristoff in there too. I don't think he'd necessarily recognise them for what they are: maybe a sudden dislike of a food he never minded before, or feelings of "I've been here before, haven't I?" in places he's never visited. It's a curious idea, though, and I think you could make something of it in a fic.

I've wondered myself if Justice survived outside the Fade for several human lifetimes, would he be anything like the symbiote aliens from DS:9?  Finds a new, willing and informed host each time the old one dies, and imparts memories of several previous lifetimes.  The symbiotes always creeped me out, despite being decent souls.  When Jadzia died, and Worf met the symbiote's host, that didn't go well at all.  He was appalled someone would have his wife's most personal memories.  I would be appalled too.  So I hope the memories would be more as Threeparts described them.  Fading over time, the more hosts there are between you and a memory, the less clearly you remember it.  DA:A Justice seemed appreciative of Kristoff's feelings for his wife.  He seems to have lost that.  I'm not sure if I'm sadder for Anders or Justice.

edited for spelling

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 05 avril 2011 - 11:04 .

[Evessa]

Nah, Cullen's just fine regardless of who you side with. By virtue of being the slightly less apes*** guy. Though he just kinda shrugs at Alrik's Tranquil solution too. GRR.

Where the hell is the moral outrage at the abuses of the templars? You bring it to Cullen, to Elthina, and they both just go "meh." If I were in Elthina's shoes, I'd be mortified that something like that had happened on my watch.


I know right! You'd think they would have a little sensitivity in regard to that. I'm sure they wouldn't want some mage turning them into a zombie who does nothing but obey their commands. In fact, that's just what they say their fighting against and protecting people from, blood mages and their mind control. Making a mage tranquil is no different and it angers me that they refuse to recognize that. Grrr...grrr!

[Sjofn]

Like I said, I love hating her.

My first playthrough I was totally mad some qunari stole my kill. I wanted to murderknife the lady myself.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Sjofn wrote...

Like I said, I love hating her.

My first playthrough I was totally mad some qunari stole my kill. I wanted to murderknife the lady myself.

Murderknife her repeatedly while screaming incoherently until someone dragged Hawke off her minced remains.

[Threeparts]

Hahahaasdglkskjghe, Boulton's voice just ambushed me in the Lothering Chantry and left me looking wildly around for Hawke until I realised it was just a templar. My expression was all kinds of wtf.


On topic: Petrice is standing outside the Kirkwall Chantry during the day right from the very beginning of Act I. I kind of want to slap her.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

In response to Camilladilla's naked Anders lutefailing... Will he stop if you tell him that lute is strung with catgut? Or that he sounds like a cat being gutted?

[KennethAFTopp]

I was not pleased with the new Anders, not sure whether it was the new voice actor or the writing.

[AndreaDraco]

Amondra wrote...

Sister Petrice, had me seeing red! She is one the people in the game I wanted a cut scene of me killing them slowly

Agreed. But seeing the Qunari killing her - after all she did to them - was even better!

I was screaming "Die, you scheming b**ch!" to the screen in that scene

[0o-Constance-o0]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

In response to Camilladilla's naked Anders lutefailing... Will he stop if you tell him that lute is strung with catgut? Or that he sounds like a cat being gutted?

Or that Hawke would rather have him bludgeon her with the lute than listen to it any longer?

[TripLight]

Miri1984 wrote...

Re: Elthina not to mention the whole Meredith sending for the rite of annulment thing at the beginning of Act III over Elthina's head. Even freaking MEREDITH thinks she's incompetent.

*Grumbles* Copout **** Excuse for Divine Providence<_<

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Threeparts wrote...

MY THOUGHTS ON CIRCLES, LET ME SHOW YOU IT.

Evessa wrote...

lol This is true. But my "Templars" aren't "Templars" as we know them to be. There's no fanatic devotion to the church (first of all, my story has no church), they are just people born with their own unique powers. They can't cast fireballs or anything but they can (like Dragon Age Templars) dispel magic, friendly and hostile. There are zealouts, however, that belong to their own little dark order (like the Black Aja in Wheele of Time), thinking the gods are on their side. In my story, though, the gods favor the "Mages" not the "Templars," as Mages are born of the mixing of their blood with the lesser races (demigods, if you will). No mere "human" has access to magical talent, just those born of the bloodline of the gods, and not all of them do have powers. So they're not "Templars," they're just people born with the ability to dispel magic.

I've mentioned this before, but my solution to the Circles would be to allow mages back into public life. Keep the Circles as learning institutions that are open to both mages and regular people for magical education: the mages learn how to use and control their abilities, and non-mages can understand how magic works to take the edge off their fear.

Take away the system of Chantry law that controls what mages can and cannot do, and treat them as normal people under civil and criminal law. A murder is a murder, regardless of means, so a mage should be tried and sentenced for harming someone with magic the same way someone would if they went mad with an axe.

Incorporate the templars into regular guard forces with the same rules and regulations, just with extra knowledge and abilities that enable them to deal with mages on equal terms. Hell, let mages become templars too, if they want to.

If templars use lyrium to nullify the effects of magic on themselves, then let a few cells in every jail have lyrium baked into the walls, so that a mage can be imprisoned for punishments thatdon't deserve a death sentence, just as a regular person would.

There's the risk of abominations, sure, but there would be people trained in every community that know how to deal with it, and I think the risk would be lessened if the mages didn't feel the need to turn to that sort of power out of fear.

I don't believe many mages would care for the Tevinter style of rule by the magisters: Feynriel certainly sees horrified by some of the things he sees there, and none of the mages we've had as companions thus far are interested in anything but being allowed to go about their business like regular people.
In the even that a group of mages got together determined to overthrow a kingdom, I think there'd be plenty of mages working with templars and regular people to maintain the status quo of equality. I believe few mages would want to see their loved ones sold into slavery, or having to turn to dangerous magic in order to just survive.

It would take many years to accomplish, I'm sure, but I believe it would be a system that would work given time and understanding.

While I like this idea, I wonder if the populace would demand "branding" of mages, so they couldn't hide.  You'd think integration would help diminish the fear of mages, but I fear it wouldn't entirely go away.  Anyone writes fanfics along these lines, do let us know!

[Amondra]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Sister Petrice, had me seeing red! She is one the people in the game I wanted a cut scene of me killing them slowly

Agreed. But seeing the Qunari killing her - after all she did to them - was even better!

I was screaming "Die, you scheming b**ch!" to the screen in that scene

True in all honesty that kill was theirs after all she did to them.

[Amondra]

TripLight wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Re: Elthina not to mention the whole Meredith sending for the rite of annulment thing at the beginning of Act III over Elthina's head. Even freaking MEREDITH thinks she's incompetent.

*Grumbles* Copout **** Excuse for Divine Providence<_<

How did you get this dialog to trigger?!

Always trying to bring the Maker into everything 

[Kawamura]

KennethAFTopp wrote...

I was not pleased with the new Anders, not sure whether it was the new voice actor or the writing.

Alrighty.

I admit, I was confused by the new VA. Might never get over that. 'svery weird.

[Evessa]

Felinu wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Camenae HAH! We had a discussion about Anders being a Tok'ra a few months back .

NERD TEST: If you know the difference between a Stargate Wormhole and a Sliders Wormhole you pass. And can come over my place for a beer and videos night.

 at the kink meme fill. THAT'S PERFECT!

 
/delurk

Umm... Sliders moved you do alternate universes/earths and Stargates moved you from world to world, and even galaxy to galaxy?  (Well, unless that whole solar flare thing was involved and then Stargate's was a time machine apparently... )

aaaand... just to be "on topic"... Anders
I've romanced him several times, only managed Fenris twice.  I like Fenris, but that whole Anders stays with you for 3 years, while Fenris dumps you and expects you wait 3 years while he figures out how to apologize thing is just  to me.  I'll take crazy and devoted, thank you.  The codex for Anders is sweeter too.  I loved the purple response to Varric's questioning you about Anders though: "What I have I done in the time you've known me to make you think I'm turned *off* by crazy!?" 

Okies...

Fenris dumps you? While he takes time to sort himself out? Of all the nerve. I haven't romanced Fenris yet, my trigger finger always moves to romance Anders, but I want to. He has his sweet moments, and I think all he really wants is someone to truly care about him. What is it with elves in the Dragon Age world? Anybody smell a Zevran here? lol He was easily romanced in first one, granted, but he still needed time to sort himself and his feelings out first. Jeepers.