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[Xewaka]

Aynslie wrote...
The merging of Anders and Justice changed both of them.  Justice became a Spirti of Vengeance that Anders can barely control and once he loses control he pretty much kills indiscriminately.  Hawke has to stop him from killing a MAGE of all people.  And when you read the short story the Devs gave us about him, well the man is tramatized.  His transformation is believeable once you understand that Justice changed thus Anders changed, because they are suppose to be one entity now.  (I don't exactly see that but that is how it is suppose to be anyway)

Anders is the ego, Justice the superego, and Vengeance the id.

[cleosilver]

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

What Iam most curious about is how Anders went from         http://sweetcandyrai... DA Anders&qo=1       to                http://estic.deviant...DA Anders&qo=44            in over the span of less than a year... First he was jolly and made jokes, then a few months and he's in Kirkwall and pissy then blows up the chantry....such a drastic change....in a few months...since Awkening happens after the Warden in Orgins, which was the year and then Awakening had to happen and then he went to Kirkwall?

I think the timeline is a little screwed up since Awakenings is at least 6 months after the end of Origins

Modifié par cleosilver, 06 avril 2011 - 02:27 .

[Inzhuna]

SurelyForth wrote...

Kirkwall is also convenient because it's relatively Warden free and there are a lot of Fereldan refugees, so he can blend in. He did have a purpose for choosing Kirkwall, but he could have easily chosen it even if Karl wasn't there.

SurelyForth, I officially hate you. I clicked your linky and your fanfic is amazing and I need to write an essay and I want to read it >_< And I'm not even up to the bit with Anders! You all people who have free time go read it.

[AnniLau]

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

What Iam most curious about is how Anders went from         http://sweetcandyrai... DA Anders&qo=1       to                http://estic.deviant...DA Anders&qo=44            in over the span of less than a year... First he was jolly and made jokes, then a few months and he's in Kirkwall and pissy then blows up the chantry....such a drastic change....in a few months...since Awkening happens after the Warden in Orgins, which was the year and then Awakening had to happen and then he went to Kirkwall?

While he's certainly different from DA:A Anders when Hawke meets him, you do still see signs of the old Anders from time to time, especially in the party banters. And the progression to blowing-up-the-Chantry-Anders takes 7+ years and, I imagine, numerous disappointments.

[SurelyForth]

Inzhuna wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Kirkwall is also convenient because it's relatively Warden free and there are a lot of Fereldan refugees, so he can blend in. He did have a purpose for choosing Kirkwall, but he could have easily chosen it even if Karl wasn't there.

SurelyForth, I officially hate you. I clicked your linky and your fanfic is amazing and I need to write an essay and I want to read it >_< And I'm not even up to the bit with Anders! You all people who have free time go read it.

Mwahaha! Victory is mine! I'm sorry! And thank you. 

And Awakening Anders wasn't just jokes and flirting, he was obviously covering up a fair amount of damage that he didn't want anyone to see, and that he apparently didn't want to acknowledge himself.

[shiba5]

AnniLau wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

What Iam most curious about is how Anders went from         http://sweetcandyrai... DA Anders&qo=1       to                http://estic.deviant...DA Anders&qo=44            in over the span of less than a year... First he was jolly and made jokes, then a few months and he's in Kirkwall and pissy then blows up the chantry....such a drastic change....in a few months...since Awkening happens after the Warden in Orgins, which was the year and then Awakening had to happen and then he went to Kirkwall?

While he's certainly different from DA:A Anders when Hawke meets him, you do still see signs of the old Anders from time to time, especially in the party banters. And the progression to blowing-up-the-Chantry-Anders takes 7+ years and, I imagine, numerous disappointments.

Plus, he's way hotter.

Edit: Kirkwall must have better spas.

Modifié par shiba5, 06 avril 2011 - 02:49 .

[Sialater]

SurelyForth wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Kirkwall is also convenient because it's relatively Warden free and there are a lot of Fereldan refugees, so he can blend in. He did have a purpose for choosing Kirkwall, but he could have easily chosen it even if Karl wasn't there.

SurelyForth, I officially hate you. I clicked your linky and your fanfic is amazing and I need to write an essay and I want to read it >_< And I'm not even up to the bit with Anders! You all people who have free time go read it.

Mwahaha! Victory is mine! I'm sorry! And thank you. 

And Awakening Anders wasn't just jokes and flirting, he was obviously covering up a fair amount of damage that he didn't want anyone to see, and that he apparently didn't want to acknowledge himself.

I keep pointing this out and getting a "whatever" response.  Subtext, people, subtext!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Sialater wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Kirkwall is also convenient because it's relatively Warden free and there are a lot of Fereldan refugees, so he can blend in. He did have a purpose for choosing Kirkwall, but he could have easily chosen it even if Karl wasn't there.

SurelyForth, I officially hate you. I clicked your linky and your fanfic is amazing and I need to write an essay and I want to read it >_< And I'm not even up to the bit with Anders! You all people who have free time go read it.

Mwahaha! Victory is mine! I'm sorry! And thank you. 

And Awakening Anders wasn't just jokes and flirting, he was obviously covering up a fair amount of damage that he didn't want anyone to see, and that he apparently didn't want to acknowledge himself.

I keep pointing this out and getting a "whatever" response.  Subtext, people, subtext!

I know right, it's not like humor isn't a coping mechanism after all...

[SurelyForth]

Also, because of the page number, current conversation and the fact that I love this screencap like whoa...


(courtesy of yukidama, who was providing Anders fans with loaner-squee before she got sucked in herself)

Modifié par SurelyForth, 06 avril 2011 - 02:58 .

[Sialater]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Sialater wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Kirkwall is also convenient because it's relatively Warden free and there are a lot of Fereldan refugees, so he can blend in. He did have a purpose for choosing Kirkwall, but he could have easily chosen it even if Karl wasn't there.

SurelyForth, I officially hate you. I clicked your linky and your fanfic is amazing and I need to write an essay and I want to read it >_< And I'm not even up to the bit with Anders! You all people who have free time go read it.

Mwahaha! Victory is mine! I'm sorry! And thank you. 

And Awakening Anders wasn't just jokes and flirting, he was obviously covering up a fair amount of damage that he didn't want anyone to see, and that he apparently didn't want to acknowledge himself.

I keep pointing this out and getting a "whatever" response.  Subtext, people, subtext!

I know right, it's not like humor isn't a coping mechanism after all...

And Alistair and Zevran totally didn't use it in the same fashion.  At all.

[signcherie]

Inzhuna wrote...

Guyzz LJ is back up so once again I urge you to go read this fic http://dragonage-kin...?thread=6982832
You will thank me later. XD

Oh my gods how did I live without this fic before now?

I will never be able to romance anyone besides Anders now so thanks for that.

[Inzhuna]

signcherie wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

Guyzz LJ is back up so once again I urge you to go read this fic http://dragonage-kin...?thread=6982832
You will thank me later. XD

Oh my gods how did I live without this fic before now?

I will never be able to romance anyone besides Anders now so thanks for that.

I know right! This is SO what was going on in Anders's head, well at least for friendmance. It's practically my head!canon now.

[YamiSnuffles]

SurelyForth wrote...

Also, because of the page number, current conversation and the fact that I love this screencap like whoa...
*snip devilish Anders*
(courtesy of yukidama, who was providing Anders fans with loaner-squee before she got sucked in herself)

Hurray, I spent a bunch of time catching up on the thread and I was glad someone mentioned what page number we were on. Heehee.

[signcherie]

Inzhuna wrote...

signcherie wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

Guyzz LJ is back up so once again I urge you to go read this fic http://dragonage-kin...?thread=6982832
You will thank me later. XD

Oh my gods how did I live without this fic before now?

I will never be able to romance anyone besides Anders now so thanks for that.

I know right! This is SO what was going on in Anders's head, well at least for friendmance. It's practically my head!canon now.

Yup, me too! Oh, man, I just wish there was more.

*starts up another Anders romance*

[Sialater]

So... here's a question that got brought up in the Cullen thread...

Why doesn't Cullen recognize Anders? (Other than, you know... plot hole.)

[silver-crescent]

SurelyForth wrote...

Also, because of the page number, current conversation and the fact that I love this screencap like whoa...


(courtesy of yukidama, who was providing Anders fans with loaner-squee before she got sucked in herself)

Anders does sexy halloween. lol love it

[Magaloo]

Sialater wrote...

So... here's a question that got brought up in the Cullen thread...

Why doesn't Cullen recognize Anders? (Other than, you know... plot hole.)

Its all in the earing.  Like Clark Kent's glasses... without it no one from his past knows its him!  Except Nate and the other Warden but that is just the Taint dispelling the illusion!

[SidheKate]

Sialater wrote...

So... here's a question that got brought up in the Cullen thread...

Why doesn't Cullen recognize Anders? (Other than, you know... plot hole.)

Hi might, but I doubt they were on "ohi" terms.  The game gives every indication that the templars know exactly who Anders is, and if Hawke is a mage, that he/she is also an apostate.  I believe they don't arrest Anders because of his association with Hawke (but then I don't understand why they arrest Hawke's sister).

[Sialater]

SidheKate wrote...

Sialater wrote...

So... here's a question that got brought up in the Cullen thread...

Why doesn't Cullen recognize Anders? (Other than, you know... plot hole.)

Hi might, but I doubt they were on "ohi" terms.  The game gives every indication that the templars know exactly who Anders is, and if Hawke is a mage, that he/she is also an apostate.  I believe they don't arrest Anders because of his association with Hawke (but then I don't understand why they arrest Hawke's sister).

Actually, I'm not expecting his arrest, since, as a Grey Warden, he's outside their jurisdiction.  I just meant in a "Didn't you used to escape a lot? We had to memorize your wanted poster," capacity.

[bloodtallow]

Evessa wrote...

I bothered me greatly that the Templars were forcing mages tranquil and then raping them, now that all they had in their heads was the will to follow orders like zombies. I gotta say, it disturbed me a little that the writers painted such a violent picture in this game. I like the game, but Anders has every right to want to burn the Templars. What was it he said in Awakening when you first met him..."Most people enjoy being kicked in the face each morning, but me, I'm just so picky." Something like that.

See, I think the writers did a great job of showing us just how high the stakes are in DA2. The fact that the templars are abusing mages in every possible way, coupled with Elthina's complete lack of actual authority, and the fact that the rite of Annulment has been called at the start of Act III all make Anders' actions - whether Hawke agrees with them or not - much more understandable. Kirkwall is at a dangerous impasse and something has to give, whether it be the complete eradication of the mages at templar hands, or blowing up the chantry.

The state of mages is so much more vulnerable, their lives so much more dangerous than the Fereldan Circle ever was. It's understandable to me that that changes Anders dramatically, even if it is sad to see the once happy-go-lucky rebel mage get more and more angry and depressed...

[blauwvis]

Cullen mentions being "new" in the mage origin, so I've always assumed that he was assigned there quite recently, and that Anders has already taken off. Admittedly, I've never delved too deeply into Cullen... wait that sounds wrong.... and mentally glossed over the wonkiness of the timeline, so that explanation might not actually hold water.

Also, I can't stop listening to "Maker NO." Between the manic giggling and all the fanfic I've been reading, my husband thinks I've gone completely mad. ("What's that you're looking at so intently?" "NOTHING. It's nothing, uhh, just some stuff... NO GO AWAY DO NOT LOOK AT THE SCREEN.")

Modifié par blauwvis, 06 avril 2011 - 03:48 .

[Jean]

Cullen was probably a newbie not yet exposed to this 'Anders' everyone talks about.

I have no excuse or explanation on why Hawke or Anders never get arrested. Especially during Act I. I flaunted magic so hard during mage playthroughs. He wasn't exactly discreet either.

And now I am being reminded on how much I hate making male chars in Origins. They're always so... angular and.. pointy no atter what I do.

Modifié par Batteries, 06 avril 2011 - 04:10 .

[Aynslie]

Sialater wrote...

SidheKate wrote...

Sialater wrote...

So... here's a question that got brought up in the Cullen thread...

Why doesn't Cullen recognize Anders? (Other than, you know... plot hole.)

Hi might, but I doubt they were on "ohi" terms.  The game gives every indication that the templars know exactly who Anders is, and if Hawke is a mage, that he/she is also an apostate.  I believe they don't arrest Anders because of his association with Hawke (but then I don't understand why they arrest Hawke's sister).

Actually, I'm not expecting his arrest, since, as a Grey Warden, he's outside their jurisdiction.  I just meant in a "Didn't you used to escape a lot? We had to memorize your wanted poster," capacity.

lol! Thats funny!

I think Cullen should have recognized him also since they are both from the Ferelden Circle.  But maybe Cullen is a younger Templar (he seemed so to me in DAO) and Anders was gone alot.

[bloodtallow]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Now  I need to go play some DA2 and bask in the radiance of the Andersmance. Oh wait, I'm in Act 3. I shall... bask in the glory of Anders' dashing black outfit.

OK, so I am continually impressed by all of the glorious (Insert Cailan *hairflip* here) Anders art making the rounds on this thread.

I am a terrible artist (Anders art for me is stick figures with ponytails wearing feathered pauldrons), but I do have a challenge for Anders fans who are more inclined to write things...

I think I am not alone in being bummed out by how little actual romance you get with Anders in Act III (don't get me wrong, I totally understand why, what with all the bomb-making, saving the tranquil, and killing crazy templars and blood mages that has to go on in that act). I therefore ask my fellow writers:

What sort of little, interlude scene would you like to see between Hawke and Anders in Act III?

I offer one that I cooked up this morning as an example, but would love to hear other opinions on what should happen "behind the scenes" during the Hawke/Anders romance:

Scene: Anders is sterilizing pots by the fire at the Hawke estate, preparing to see to a patient. Hawke enters just in time to hear him gasp in pain as he burns his hand on hot iron.

Hawke: Y'know, usually when I want someone to burn the house down, I ask Sandal to do it.

Anders: <smiles> He had to go shopping. Told me to do it instead. <gasps in pain>

Hawke: <crosses room, gently takes hold of injured arm> Here. Let me look at that.

If Hawke is a mage:

<Hawke gently takes Anders' hand and uses magic to heal the wound.>

There. Hopefully that'll be better. But don't go picking up scalding pots again. One accident-prone house guest is enough, thanks.

Anders: I... Thank you. You're a good healer, however hard you try to hide it.

Hawke: Well, I had a good teacher. In fact, maybe you know him - he runs a clinic in Darktown. When he's not scalding himself at my fireplace, that is.

<Kiss, fade to black>

If Hawke is not a mage:

<Hawke opens a drawer and pulls out a healing poultice>

Here, use this. It's not magic, but it should help. Y'know, you never told me what happens if you get injured. Does healing magic work on your own wounds?

Anders: Sometimes. It depends on the injury. And Justice... <pauses>

But you know, it doesn't always take a Mage's touch to heal me.

Hawke: Oh? I'll remember that.

<Kiss, fade to black>

[obnoxiousgas]

Cullen is definitely aware that Anders is a mage (I know, and he was being so subtle with his "we're not all blood mages!" and other such protests) by Act ... I want to say two, but it could be three, as he calls him such in conversation. But he doesn't arrest him because Dragon Age 2, so everyone conveniently overlooks mages except when they don't. (I mean seriously, I wasn't even romancing him that playthrough so there isn't even a 'hiding behind the Champion' explanation. Cullen could have quite easily gone yoink and taken him away!)

Alternatively: Cullen is the worst Knight-Captain ever.