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[BubbleDncr]

RinjiRenee wrote...

ankuu wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Someone find that mod and do the Anders love scene! It must be done!

http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=2258

WHY AM I AT WORK NOW 

I know, right!!

[HolyJellyfish]

Miri1984 wrote...

I suspect we're going to make a third hero and then all three of them will get together at the end and do the dance from Thriller.

Personally I have no problem with having a different Hero from Hawke in DA3. I was really pleased with the way the cameos mentioned Alim in DA2 - gave me an impression that he was off somewhere VERY happy (although Zevran sleeping with Isabela in that cameo will earn him a few clocks around the ear).

What I'm more concerned about is that NONE of my major decisions is really going to effect DA3.

I mean, other than a Cameo by the few characters who stayed loyal to you or ya didn't kill, I just don't see how any decisions in DA3 will actually carry over to DA2.

It doesn't really matter whether you side with the Templars or the Mages. Both of them were full of crazy in the game, and its going to be an outright war between both factions in DA3. My actions haven't really done much in the greater scheme of things.

[Trelela]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I suspect we're going to make a third hero and then all three of them will get together at the end and do the dance from Thriller.

Personally I have no problem with having a different Hero from Hawke in DA3. I was really pleased with the way the cameos mentioned Alim in DA2 - gave me an impression that he was off somewhere VERY happy (although Zevran sleeping with Isabela in that cameo will earn him a few clocks around the ear).

What I'm more concerned about is that NONE of my major decisions is really going to effect DA3.

I mean, other than a Cameo by the few characters who stayed loyal to you or ya didn't kill, I just don't see how any decisions in DA3 will actually carry over to DA2.

It doesn't really matter whether you side with the Templars or the Mages. Both of them were full of crazy in the game, and its going to be an outright war between both factions in DA3. My actions haven't really done much in the greater scheme of things.

I had a similiar thoughts about it.
We'll see how Bioware will manage to lift our story into another game or expansion. 
On the other hand the effects of our Warden's decisions are only mentioned in form of old characters cameo's or mentioning something what Warden did. So I guess DA3 will be similar - a new character who needs to clean the mess the Warden and Hawke made/got into.

[Kim Shepard]

I like the idea of which DAO decisions carry over into DA2... I just wish it would have worked right. Apparently, my Orlesian Warden saved both Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine, transformed into a male during the one-year time skip, and the werewolves got cured on their own (unless that was default, because I only imported from Awakening with no DAO playthrough attached to it).

[Sarah1281]

I know. It's like the Warden was a god and the world changed around her while Hawke might not even have showed up.

[Jean]

My dream game would be able to play as both the Warden and Hawke in DA3.

I'm not crazy, honest.
The forums would be a gate to hell itself if that happened.

[Sialater]

Batteries wrote...

My dream game would be able to play as both the Warden and Hawke in DA3.

I'm not crazy, honest.
The forums would be a gate to hell itself if that happened.

That would be awesome.  Though I'm not sure Thedas can handle Moira Surana and Margaret Hawke on the same team.

[BlastedLands]

Sialater wrote...

Batteries wrote...

My dream game would be able to play as both the Warden and Hawke in DA3.

I'm not crazy, honest.
The forums would be a gate to hell itself if that happened.

That would be awesome.  Though I'm not sure Thedas can handle Moira Surana and Margaret Hawke on the same team.

plus potential attachment.... ouch:pinched:

[Jean]

Sialater wrote...

Batteries wrote...

My dream game would be able to play as both the Warden and Hawke in DA3.

I'm not crazy, honest.
The forums would be a gate to hell itself if that happened.

That would be awesome.  Though I'm not sure Thedas can handle Moira Surana and Margaret Hawke on the same team.

Maybe not on the same team, but just rotating between the two of them, never having to actually meet but have a similar story intertwined. But that would be hard. Hawke is always a male or female human. The Warden can be a human, elf or dwarf of either gender. Could they just give them all the same voice and make sense? Animations?

Like I said, I'm not crazy.

[EnchantedEyes1]

Batteries wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Batteries wrote...

My dream game would be able to play as both the Warden and Hawke in DA3.

I'm not crazy, honest.
The forums would be a gate to hell itself if that happened.

That would be awesome.  Though I'm not sure Thedas can handle Moira Surana and Margaret Hawke on the same team.

Maybe not on the same team, but just rotating between the two of them, never having to actually meet but have a similar story intertwined. But that would be hard. Hawke is always a male or female human. The Warden can be a human, elf or dwarf of either gender. Could they just give them all the same voice and make sense? Animations?

Like I said, I'm not crazy.

I like your kind of crazy

Modifié par EnchantedEyes1, 17 mars 2011 - 09:13 .

[Kim Shepard]

Batteries wrote...

My dream game would be able to play as both the Warden and Hawke in DA3.

I'm not crazy, honest.
The forums would be a gate to hell itself if that happened.

Maybe not on the same team, but just rotating between the two of them, never having to actually meet but have a similar story intertwined. But that would be hard. Hawke is always a male or female human. The Warden can be a human, elf or dwarf of either gender. Could they just give them all the same voice and make sense? Animations?

Like I said, I'm not crazy.

That sounds awesome. Just give the Warden a voice (different than Hawke's), an option to redesign the face (to make sure the conversion to new style of elves won't mess it up), and it's perfect.

[maselphie]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I mean, other than a Cameo by the few characters who stayed loyal to you or ya didn't kill, I just don't see how any decisions in DA3 will actually carry over to DA2.

That didn't happen with DA:O to DA2 either. Alistair might show up and say something funny, or not. Same with ME2. Either one guy is the senator or not. They're basically little signposts in the game that said "you did this in the last game" and nothing more.

But what more can you really ask from the developers? Every second in a cutscene costs them big bucks. They can't branch the game without making each branch an unsatisfying experience, at least compared to if they didn't.

You can argue that your PC had little impact on the world in DA2, but the blight was going to end no matter what in DA:O. You couldn't end the game without saving the world. The differences were merely who killed the Archdemon and who was on the throne. And the ending was not wildly different because of it. The simple fact that you could have one of two completely different branches in DA2 is by far the most branched I've seen DA or ME become. Just because the ending is bad, the player feels they have less control over it. What exactly was a BAD ending in DA:O? Exiling Alistair? Dying? The blight HAD to be over by the end of the game, the same as there HAD to be war at the end of this one.

Sorry for the rant, but hate on DA2 is unfounded in a lot of places.

Modifié par maselphie, 17 mars 2011 - 09:17 .

[Sialater]

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Batteries wrote...

My dream game would be able to play as both the Warden and Hawke in DA3.

I'm not crazy, honest.
The forums would be a gate to hell itself if that happened.

That would be awesome.  Though I'm not sure Thedas can handle Moira Surana and Margaret Hawke on the same team.

Maybe not on the same team, but just rotating between the two of them, never having to actually meet but have a similar story intertwined. But that would be hard. Hawke is always a male or female human. The Warden can be a human, elf or dwarf of either gender. Could they just give them all the same voice and make sense? Animations?

Like I said, I'm not crazy.

I like your kind of crazy

The only problem I'd have is that Moira's an elf.  Would she look like Merril... or get beaten by the ugly stick like poor Zev.

[Miri1984]

I'm imagining my Alim ended up looking more like Orsino than like Zev. In fact, in my head canon, apart from the hair colour, Orsino looks exactly the way Alim will when he gets a little bit older. In other words HOT OLD ELF . And Alim's a blood mage too, so I hope he doesn't end up going the harvester route.

[BubbleDncr]

I will forever dream of my Warden and Hawke teaming up, but I think its just too impossible. Cos they both disappeared with their loves interests, so that's just way to many variables for one team.

But yea. Dream team of my dalish elf warden Amarie with Alistair, and Alindra Hawke and Anders. That would be so awesome. They'd be the A-Team, haha.

[Sialater]

I think she'd look like Merrill's older sister, but who knows?

She should at least be pretty enough for Anders to have agreed with her when she said, "Pretty girl, right here."

[Sarah1281]

maselphie wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I mean, other than a Cameo by the few characters who stayed loyal to you or ya didn't kill, I just don't see how any decisions in DA3 will actually carry over to DA2.

That didn't happen with DA:O to DA2 either. Alistair might show up and say something funny, or not. Same with ME2. Either one guy is the senator or not. They're basically little signposts in the game that said "you did this in the last game" and nothing more.

But what more can you really ask from the developers? Every second in a cutscene costs them big bucks. They can't branch the game without making each branch an unsatisfying experience, at least compared to if they didn't.

You can argue that your PC had little impact on the world in DA2, but the blight was going to end no matter what in DA:O. You couldn't end the game without saving the world. The differences were merely who killed the Archdemon and who was on the throne. And the ending was not wildly different because of it. The simple fact that you could have one of two completely different branches in DA2 is by far the most branched I've seen DA or ME become. Just because the ending is bad, the player feels they have less control over it. What exactly was a BAD ending in DA:O? Exiling Alistair? Dying? The blight HAD to be over by the end of the game, the same as there HAD to be war at the end of this one.

Sorry for the rant, but hate on DA2 is unfounded in a lot of places.

I don't hate DA2, I just dislike the fatalism. In DA:O, you decide the fate or Orzammar (which isn't a minor decision because there's the status quo who will likely be succeeded by status quo kings or the all-out reformer), you decide if the Circle will be annulled or not, you decide the fate of the werewolves and Zathrian's tribe, and you settle the throne.

In DA2, what major decisions do you make that change anything? Whether or not you have to wipe out Merrill's clan? I guess you can side with the templars or mages at the very end but Meredith and Orsino both end up dead either way. I guess a few more templars or mages live depending on your choice and one group or another gets to use your name to rally around but that's basically it.

With the side-quests you can make more of a difference but that's only very minor. You can save individuals but that's no different than saving Bevin and Valena in DA:O and have the time those same individuals (Grace, Thrask) end up dead and/or crazy anyway.

Plus there's the fact that if the Warden hadn't existed, the Blight would not have been ended without engulfing Ferelden (thank you DSC). If Hawke hadn't existed...some individual people Hawke helped might have been worse off but the idol would have been found, the qunari would have invaded and been repelled, and the mages and templar gone to war with each other with the same outcome regardless.

[Kim Shepard]

My Kane Amell is a blood mage too, but he wouldn't go all harvester. He's not quite that crazy. And he's far too lazy to become an evil overlord like Fenris might worry about. He would be so out of place in DA2's world, getting involved with a cause and making political decisions. I'd really like to see his cousin drag him into Anders' revolution. >

[mellifera]

Haha, my Dalish Warden chose to return to her clan in the end... she must have left them because they were being too stupid even by Dalish standards... She also probably looks like a drowned rat now, but she kinda looked like that anyway.

Now, my canon Warden (female casteless dwarf)... she probably would have looked hella sexy, but no lady dorfs for DA2, whine. She would have overshadowed Hawke completely, and had more fun with Isabela than he did (again). She'd have smacked Anders upside the head, too.

Modifié par yukidama, 17 mars 2011 - 09:39 .

[Eydris Ivo]

Votes: Shall I play this save game to the love scene?

[Sarah1281]

ha, my Dalish Warden chose to return to her clan in the end... she must have left them because they were being too stupid even by Dalish standards... She also probably looks like a drowned rat now, but she kinda looked like that anyway.

That reminds me...if you're a Dalish Warden they in all likelihood the Dalish have their own land now. So why in the world is your clan still up in Kirkwall? Ostagar's not THAT bad and taking Merrill away from that demon can only be a good thing.

[leggywillow]

yukidama wrote...

Haha, my Dalish Warden chose to return to her clan in the end... she must have left them because they were being too stupid even by Dalish standards... She also probably looks like a drowned rat now, but she kinda looked like that anyway.

My Dalish Warden is dead, which is a good thing.  If she was alive, she'd probably hunt Merrill down and strangle her.  Merrill always got on her nerves anyway.  I was so upset when I killed Fenarel and Master Ilen and Paivel on my last playthrough... so sad.  It really makes me happy that I chose the Ultimate Sacrifice ending for my Mahariel, though.  The poor thing was half-crazy with depression and sadness anyway; hearing about the slaughter of her clan would've broken the rest of her heart.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

And... that's why I'm glad most characters kept their clothes on.

[Eydris Ivo]

Pseudocognition wrote...

And... that's why I'm glad most characters kept their clothes on.

Do you really think he's that bad?

[maselphie]

@Sarah1281: You're arguing scale, and lack of an epilogue. I can't disagree that the scale of a blight is remarkably larger and more important than that of any one city. I can't argue that an entire country's story is as important as one character's. Nor can I say what impact any of your decisions truly had without a vivid epilogue. Had there been no epilogue in DA:O, you would feel the exact same as you do about DA2. Your choice about the werewolves or the dwarves would be merely moment-to-moment decisions that you either felt good or bad about in the immediate term. You would have never known the consequences of any of the actions. Considering how open-ended DA2 is, that seems wholly left to tell. Will Feynriel become a mass murderer if you let him become the sleeper? Will the Dalish tribe help your cause when the time comes, if they're still alive? Will your sibling remain by your side? Will being Viscount be important? Do the Qunari respect you? And most importantly, will mages will fear you? Or templars hunt you?

Instead of small groups, entire races of people will see you differently based on your actions. Every mage you let go or killed, all the innocents you slaughtered or saved ... These were present, but their importance is no less than in DA:O. It is the lack of epilogue that bothers everyone the most, because we need that little sense of closure. But there can't be closure, because we need to know what happens next in excrutiating detail. A simple "and the mages won the war while you sailed away on isabella's ship" would be more of a slap in the face than simply saying "you're still out there, waiting for the storm to catch up to you."

And who's to say that without Hawke the world wouldn't be different? Sure you can't stop Anders, but that's still two scenarios of you existing. He might have fled Kirkwall in sorrow had we not been there.

Modifié par maselphie, 17 mars 2011 - 09:53 .