Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
signcherie wrote...
I hope you're all happy, you've got me checking out Howden's twitter page. Don't you know I'm only allowed to fangirl over pixelated men?
the real one is just as good looking as the pixelated one though
Modifié par signcherie, 09 avril 2011 - 02:52 .
signcherie wrote...
@Mistress Tasharra, you know Anders always appreciates Hawke's groping attempts. Lol.
Heidenreich wrote...
So just a note. My best straight-male friend and I have been squeeing over DA2 for a couple weeks... and he admitted his first playthrough was a m!hawke/anders playthrough. Completely by accident. And it didn't ruin the game for him at all.
I say these guys complaining need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and ask themselves what they're really upset about. Guys who are comfortable with who they are shouldn't be bothered by gayness in a video game. srsly.
signcherie wrote...
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
signcherie wrote...
I hope you're all happy, you've got me checking out Howden's twitter page. Don't you know I'm only allowed to fangirl over pixelated men?
the real one is just as good looking as the pixelated one though
I know. That's the problem!
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
signcherie wrote...
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
signcherie wrote...
I hope you're all happy, you've got me checking out Howden's twitter page. Don't you know I'm only allowed to fangirl over pixelated men?
the real one is just as good looking as the pixelated one though
I know. That's the problem!
...and he is single. apparently. does tha only compound your problem or could that help alleviate it?
why would that make it worse?cleosilver wrote...
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
signcherie wrote...
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
signcherie wrote...
I hope you're all happy, you've got me checking out Howden's twitter page. Don't you know I'm only allowed to fangirl over pixelated men?
the real one is just as good looking as the pixelated one though
I know. That's the problem!
...and he is single. apparently. does tha only compound your problem or could that help alleviate it?
That makes it worse
Mistress Tasharra wrote...
signcherie wrote...
@Mistress Tasharra, you know Anders always appreciates Hawke's groping attempts. Lol.
True. Perhaps my Hawke enjoys being punched in the head each morning.
XD
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
...and he is single. apparently. does tha only compound your problem or could that help alleviate it?
Modifié par signcherie, 09 avril 2011 - 03:07 .
Modifié par Spikus, 09 avril 2011 - 03:16 .
payroo wrote...
Tasmen wrote...
payroo wrote...
I woke up to this and it was GLORIOUS.
signcherie wrote...
Mistress Tasharra wrote...
signcherie wrote...
@Mistress Tasharra, you know Anders always appreciates Hawke's groping attempts. Lol.
True. Perhaps my Hawke enjoys being punched in the head each morning.
XD
Hawke and Anders are kinky, it seemsThief-of-Hearts wrote...
...and he is single. apparently. does tha only compound your problem or could that help alleviate it?
No, that definitely makes it worse.
EDIT: Because I'M not single. lol silly but that's the source of my "no fangirling over real men" rule.
Tasmen wrote...
payroo wrote...
I woke up to this and it was GLORIOUS.
signcherie wrote...
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
...and he is single. apparently. does tha only compound your problem or could that help alleviate it?
No, that definitely makes it worse.
EDIT: Because I'M not single. lol silly but that's the source of my "no fangirling over real men" rule.
Spikus wrote...
The discussion is passed, but I can offer my perspective on why some men are frustrated at Anders in this game.
I don't really roleplay when I play video games, so most of my decisions are based on how I feel about things. When it comes to thinks such as romance I usually go for the character I like the most. In Origins, that was Zevran. I never intended my elf mage to be gay, and I tried Leliana and Morrigan with other characters just to see what that was all about, but Zevran appealed to me the most as a character and a partner.
When I started Dragon Age 2 I knew that Anders was in it and he was a love interest. I even knew what he did in the end, because my girlfriend had already played the game by the time I got around t o it. I was still looking forward to him. I played Awakenings a few times and Sigrun and him were my favorites.
Now that I've beat the game three times, I can say that I no longer like him. The first few times I felt sorry for him, but now I'm largely apathetic. The problem for me isn't that he flirts with my Hawke, thus tarnishing my manhood forever, it's that I expected him to be one thing from playing Awakening and he's a completely different person. I understand the reason he is, but there isn't even a foothold for me besides him talking about his cat. I don't mind that he's bisexual, I'd assumed as much during Awakenings, but the way that it's handled by the game makes it seem like the writers want us to completely forget the guy who whistled at statues and stared at that elf's ass for about five minutes longer than anyone needed to.
If he had only talked about Karl and flirted with Hawke, it would have been perfectly fine. But there's that "he always loved you" thing, and if I noticed it then I can't imagine it made it past other gamers who have no interest in being in a relationship with him. Between the moodiness, the hostility towards other companions (especially Merrill), the jealous conversations and confrontations it's more than just being hit on one time. I would be uncomfortable if any of the other companions that I wasn't interested in pursuing did those things, as I was with Leliana the time she decided we were lovers, but it being Anders made it worse because I wanted him to be Hawke's Garrus and instead he made me feel like a sack of **** for not being into him.
That's not even getting into his role in the plot. Were I more of a mind that video game reality and reality were the same, I could see myself hating him for killing the revered mother alone. As it is, by the end of my last game I was tired of him and I actually understood why alot of players are so ready to shank him when they get the opportunity. I would never do it (my girlfriend would make me sleep on the deck for a week) but he's exhausting and frustrating enough without knowing that he's creeping on you for seven years even if you politely turn him down. It's not something that's appealing to me and I don't care about sex, gender, species or attractiveness in video games. I can only imagine how "other" it made him to players that do care.
And that is a lot of words and I can't blame anyone for not reading them. The short of it is this. I have no problem with Anders being bi, but the game does his character a disservice by making him have so many negative characteristics and then having him put ALL Hawkes into a position where they have this man they may not want or like pining after them for years and making things awkward with his unrequited affection. I believe that David Gaider has mentioned that he would have changed the fact that Anders pursues Hawke and I think that would have been a good idea. Not because of gay panic but because of his emotional dependency and the fact that he's not an easy character to like, even if you were inclined to like him because of Awakenings.
.
dantares83 wrote...
Tasmen wrote...
payroo wrote...
I woke up to this and it was GLORIOUS.
priceless!
signcherie wrote...
There's been lots of discussion in this thread with varying viewpoints, and it's been pretty respectful. It's the extreme hate for him (and sometimes, by extension, for his fans) that makes us go
Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 09 avril 2011 - 03:42 .
I'm the same way.cleosilver wrote...
signcherie wrote...
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
...and he is single. apparently. does tha only compound your problem or could that help alleviate it?
No, that definitely makes it worse.
EDIT: Because I'M not single. lol silly but that's the source of my "no fangirling over real men" rule.
Exactly. Fangirling over fictional characters is fine. Fangirling over real people is on my "do not do this" list.
Dasha Dreyson wrote...
I'm the same way.cleosilver wrote...
signcherie wrote...
Thief-of-Hearts wrote...
...and he is single. apparently. does tha only compound your problem or could that help alleviate it?
No, that definitely makes it worse.
EDIT: Because I'M not single. lol silly but that's the source of my "no fangirling over real men" rule.
Exactly. Fangirling over fictional characters is fine. Fangirling over real people is on my "do not do this" list.
signcherie wrote...
Spikus wrote...
*snip*
Well, my 2 coppers.
Everyone is entitled not to like a character. That's totally cool.
I may be the only one who didn't really think that "Anders always loves you." When I did my non-Anders romance playthrough, I got the vibe that he was just looking out for his friend, who was dating someone he didn't trust. Though I find it more fun to pretend that he always loves Hawke no matter what.
I didn't have too much trouble connecting Awakening!Anders to DA2 Anders, either, because he's still a funny, joking guy in Act 1. He loses that as the game goes on, but I felt like there was a transition.
I don't think people mind if someone doesn't like Anders. There's been lots of discussion in this thread with varying viewpoints, and it's been pretty respectful. It's the extreme hate for him (and sometimes, by extension, for his fans) that makes us go
Spikus wrote...
The discussion is passed, but I can offer my perspective on why some men are frustrated at Anders in this game.
I don't really roleplay when I play video games, so most of my decisions are based on how I feel about things.
Modifié par nekhbet, 09 avril 2011 - 03:53 .
signcherie wrote...
Spikus wrote...
The discussion is passed, but I can offer my perspective on why some men are frustrated at Anders in this game.
I don't really roleplay when I play video games, so most of my decisions are based on how I feel about things. When it comes to thinks such as romance I usually go for the character I like the most. In Origins, that was Zevran. I never intended my elf mage to be gay, and I tried Leliana and Morrigan with other characters just to see what that was all about, but Zevran appealed to me the most as a character and a partner.
When I started Dragon Age 2 I knew that Anders was in it and he was a love interest. I even knew what he did in the end, because my girlfriend had already played the game by the time I got around t o it. I was still looking forward to him. I played Awakenings a few times and Sigrun and him were my favorites.
Now that I've beat the game three times, I can say that I no longer like him. The first few times I felt sorry for him, but now I'm largely apathetic. The problem for me isn't that he flirts with my Hawke, thus tarnishing my manhood forever, it's that I expected him to be one thing from playing Awakening and he's a completely different person. I understand the reason he is, but there isn't even a foothold for me besides him talking about his cat. I don't mind that he's bisexual, I'd assumed as much during Awakenings, but the way that it's handled by the game makes it seem like the writers want us to completely forget the guy who whistled at statues and stared at that elf's ass for about five minutes longer than anyone needed to.
If he had only talked about Karl and flirted with Hawke, it would have been perfectly fine. But there's that "he always loved you" thing, and if I noticed it then I can't imagine it made it past other gamers who have no interest in being in a relationship with him. Between the moodiness, the hostility towards other companions (especially Merrill), the jealous conversations and confrontations it's more than just being hit on one time. I would be uncomfortable if any of the other companions that I wasn't interested in pursuing did those things, as I was with Leliana the time she decided we were lovers, but it being Anders made it worse because I wanted him to be Hawke's Garrus and instead he made me feel like a sack of **** for not being into him.
That's not even getting into his role in the plot. Were I more of a mind that video game reality and reality were the same, I could see myself hating him for killing the revered mother alone. As it is, by the end of my last game I was tired of him and I actually understood why alot of players are so ready to shank him when they get the opportunity. I would never do it (my girlfriend would make me sleep on the deck for a week) but he's exhausting and frustrating enough without knowing that he's creeping on you for seven years even if you politely turn him down. It's not something that's appealing to me and I don't care about sex, gender, species or attractiveness in video games. I can only imagine how "other" it made him to players that do care.
And that is a lot of words and I can't blame anyone for not reading them. The short of it is this. I have no problem with Anders being bi, but the game does his character a disservice by making him have so many negative characteristics and then having him put ALL Hawkes into a position where they have this man they may not want or like pining after them for years and making things awkward with his unrequited affection. I believe that David Gaider has mentioned that he would have changed the fact that Anders pursues Hawke and I think that would have been a good idea. Not because of gay panic but because of his emotional dependency and the fact that he's not an easy character to like, even if you were inclined to like him because of Awakenings.
Well, my 2 coppers.
Everyone is entitled not to like a character. That's totally cool.
I may be the only one who didn't really think that "Anders always loves you." When I did my non-Anders romance playthrough, I got the vibe that he was just looking out for his friend, who was dating someone he didn't trust. Though I find it more fun to pretend that he always loves Hawke no matter what.
I didn't have too much trouble connecting Awakening!Anders to DA2 Anders, either, because he's still a funny, joking guy in Act 1. He loses that as the game goes on, but I felt like there was a transition.
I don't think people mind if someone doesn't like Anders. There's been lots of discussion in this thread with varying viewpoints, and it's been pretty respectful. It's the extreme hate for him (and sometimes, by extension, for his fans) that makes us go
salemslot wrote...
little creepy
Modifié par Kawamura, 09 avril 2011 - 04:05 .
Modifié par Aynslie, 09 avril 2011 - 04:07 .
Aynslie wrote...
I agree with signcherie. I didn't feel like Anders always loved hawke when Hawke turned him down and pursued Fenris, but that he was then looking out for a close friend. Especially if Hawke is a mage. I also think Fenris is by far worse towards Merrill than Anders, and Anders seems to be trying to enlighten her about Blood Magic/demonic possession, in a way trying to turn her from it. Fenris is just an **** towards her.
I also love the depth they gave Anders character instead of just being a skirt chaser. And I also thought there was a transition period where he is more light hearted at the beginning of the game and becomes more single minded obsessed by the end. It also depends on who he is traveling with. Unlike Awakenings Anders who jokes with EVERYONE, this Anders only lightheartly jokes with those companions he likes, such as Varric, He also gets older as the game progresses because time actually passes. Nothing is creepier than a 35+ skirt chaser.
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