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[Kaioku]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

That's true.
Edward is the line. Absolutely not.
I'd rather Anders **** in my mayonnaise and touch me inappropriately while I sleep, than have him look like Edward. Or talk like Edward. Or even be in the same realm as that insufferable blood-sucking box of ew.

[Tasmen]

Ryzaki wrote...


And handing Fenris over is a douche move. 

I don't hate Fenris. Not totally. He just...annoys me. 

Plus this way I get to kill more people. <3 

What? I'm not bloodthirsty. Not in the least bit. :innocent: 

This is my do not believe face.... or something.

[phantomdragoness]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I'm gonna make a nice guy warrior to friendmance Anders.

I'm gonna kill Fenris this playthrough

Edit: It'll be defensive though. I won't let him touch my Anders.  
 

Might as well hand him over to Danarius.
I hear that's very satisfying for Fenris haters....you get a letter later telling you that Fenris' memory has been wiped again...basically canceling out like, 6-9 years of running from Danarius. Total waste of life.

Lol. I could never do that to Fenris. He has his good qualities, and when you become BFFs, he fights by your side even if you join the mages. (*whispers* He secretly wants Hawke's juices.)

He just needs to grow a pair. Or quad.

[JesterPsychotica]

So, to all the Anders lovers...

What are your thoughts on Karl?

Personally, I think he's a creeper. I just picture Karl taking advantage of young Anders while he's in the Circle. He sees a vulnerable boy, who is fearful, angry, and confused and takes him under his wing of sorts, but not without something to gain on his end. I think he probably was a "nice" (for lack of a better term here) pedophile- one who went out of his way to gain Ander's trust.

[Ryzaki]

Aynslie wrote...

I am less irritated with Edward in that series and more so with Bella.  She has to be the dumbest girl ever born.  I couldn't get pass the first book because of her, and I want to throttle her every time my friend makes me watch thoes damn movies...but he has girl night with me so if he is willing to watch romantic comedies with me I can endure Bella Swan's dumb ass for 2 hours.

And I identify Edward with Fenris' broody ass than Anders.  I just imagine them having the same attitude....you know.....broody.

Not to mention ungrateful. "Oh my dad bought me car. How lame and dreary." 

...Self absorbed twit. 

LOL at the Fenris and Edward comparison. Makes sense. 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

And I'm done for the night. Still got a comic to finish and a chapter in my fanfic.

I'll leave you with this. Watch closely.

[ipgd]

oh boy more twilight arguments

I think it's sort of sad that a slew of perfectly decent literary tropes have been effectively outlawed from ever being used again just because some ****ty, masturbatory teen abstinence porn novel executed them poorly. It's not like Twilight invented "NO WE SHOULDN'T BANG BECAUSE I KNOW I'M A DOUCHEBAG".

The problem with how Twilight handled it is that Edward is a neutered vegan prettyboy whose actions do absolutely nothing to suggest he's actually any danger to Bella at all. The book expects the reader to take him at his word that he's a heartless killer while providing nothing at all to inspire any sort of conflict or urgency; he just limps around, sparkling ineffectually, talking about how awful he is and doing nothing at all. The worst thing he does is basically stalk Bella, but all of the negative implications of that are somehow entirely ignored and/or twisted into a disturbing romanticism.

But even then, that wasn't what made it bad -- what really makes Twilight awful is that it has absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever. The creepy stalker/simpering doormat dynamic between Edward and Bella even could have been interesting if the book acknowledged that in any way, and actually explored their unhealthy codependency with cognizance that it was unhealthy codependency; instead it's extolled as some kind of virtuous True Love without any irony. And that's where the book really gets creepy, because you can tell that the author seriously and wholly does not understand any of the Unfortunate Implications of anything she's written.

Yes, Anders's romance has the same general trope, but it's handled so differently and so much better that I can't help but wonder if the people who make these negative comparisons have any why Twilight was actually bad beyond the idea that they're supposed to hate it and everthing it did because everyone else does. The trope itself had nothing to do with why Twilight's romance was bad -- it was the book's failure to delve beneath the shoddy veneer of romanticism and examine the gruesome train wreck that comprises the heart of their relationship. Anders is written in complete acknowledgement of the train wreck; it doesn't beat you over the head with the idea that you're supposed to think what he does is romantic. The game knows he's codependant, hypocritical and capriciously schizophrenic. Anders actually has legitimate reasons to think he will damage Hawke, and most importantly, he actually does.

[Zep Rowsdower]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Yesssssss. <3

Oh, Chicken. You are my own personal brand of heroin.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Aynslie wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Zep Rowsdower wrote...

I LOVE TWILIGHT, IT IS THE BEST OKAY. It's comedy gold. Speaking of which, I still need to get around to reading Breaking Dawn. (CHESTBURSTER VAMPIRE BABY YES)

phantomdragoness wrote...

I HATE it when people compare
Anders to Edward Cullen. Yes, there are some similarities, but I agree
with what the above posts stated. Anders does not want to hurt Hawke,
and he resists for as long as anyone is mentally able to before they
realize: "I love this person too much to just pass up the chance."

That's pretty much what Edward does though. He doesn't really want to mardar Bella and dine on her delicious lavender-scented (seriously) blood, he's just afraid he will because ~*he is a monster and can't control himself around her*~.

And come on, calling Anders a creepy panty-sniffing stalker who jizzes in Hawke's mayo is okay, but saying he's like Edward is what irritates you guys?

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

I hope and pray to god that someone compares Anders to Edward Cullen anywhere near me.
I've been needing an outlet for my anger...you know, for those crappy days. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

do you still love me, chicken

Yesssssss. <3

I am less irritated with Edward in that series and more so with Bella.  She has to be the dumbest girl ever born.  I couldn't get pass the first book because of her, and I want to throttle her every time my friend makes me watch thoes damn movies...but he has girl night with me so if he is willing to watch romantic comedies with me I can endure Bella Swan's dumb ass for 2 hours.

And I identify Edward with Fenris' broody ass than Anders.  I just imagine them having the same attitude....you know.....broody.

Fenris: I hate everyone. I was a slave.
Edward: I mope all the time, because I want to suck the blood of the girl I love.
Fenris: I moved too fast for myself and slept with the girl I love, then when I left, she decided to move in my mortal enemy and now they spend all their time playing kissy face. In front of me.
Edward: Oh yeah? Well I had a group of bloodthirsty vampires seeking to destroy me. And the woman I love also loves a werewolf.
Fenris: OH YEAH? WELL MY FORMER MASTER HUNTS MY EVERY FOOTSTEP AND I CAN NEVER TRUST A MAGE.
Edward: OH YEAH? WELL I HAD TO TURN THE GIRL I LOVE INTO A VAMPIRE SO WE COULD GET MARRIED AND I COULD FINALLY HAVE SOME SEX.
Isabela: How about you both shut the **** up?

[Ryzaki]

Tasmen wrote...
This is my do not believe face.... or something.

*gasps* I am the picture of innocence. :innocent: 

[Amondra]

 

To help break up the Twilight...Also I don't think Anders likes Twlight on his thread....

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

@Phantomdragoness: Yay! More love. *kisses*

The thread also needs more kissing I feel. We're not living up to our name.

Modifié par AquilaChrysaetos86, 10 avril 2011 - 03:08 .

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...

oh boy more twilight arguments

I think it's sort of sad that a slew of perfectly decent literary tropes have been effectively outlawed from ever being used again just because some ****ty, masturbatory teen abstinence porn novel executed them poorly. It's not like Twilight invented "NO WE SHOULDN'T BANG BECAUSE I KNOW I'M A DOUCHEBAG".

The problem with how Twilight handled it is that Edward is a neutered vegan prettyboy whose actions do absolutely nothing to suggest he's actually any danger to Bella at all. The book expects the reader to take him at his word that he's a heartless killer while providing nothing at all to inspire any sort of conflict or urgency; he just limps around, sparkling ineffectually, talking about how awful he is and doing nothing at all. The worst thing he does is basically stalk Bella, but all of the negative implications of that are somehow entirely ignored and/or twisted into a disturbing romanticism.

But even then, that wasn't what made it bad -- what really makes Twilight awful is that it has absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever. The creepy stalker/simpering doormat dynamic between Edward and Bella even could have been interesting if the book acknowledged that in any way, and actually explored their unhealthy codependency with cognizance that it was unhealthy codependency; instead it's extolled as some kind of virtuous True Love without any irony. And that's where the book really gets creepy, because you can tell that the author seriously and wholly does not understand any of the Unfortunate Implications of anything she's written.

Yes, Anders's romance has the same general trope, but it's handled so differently and so much better that I can't help but wonder if the people who make these negative comparisons have any why Twilight was actually bad beyond the idea that they're supposed to hate it and everthing it did because everyone else does. The trope itself had nothing to do with why Twilight's romance was bad -- it was the book's failure to delve beneath the shoddy veneer of romanticism and examine the gruesome train wreck that comprises the heart of their relationship. Anders is written in complete acknowledgement of the train wreck; it doesn't beat you over the head with the idea that you're supposed to think what he does is romantic. The game knows he's codependant, hypocritical and capriciously schizophrenic. Anders actually has legitimate reasons to think he will damage Hawke, and most importantly, he actually does.

God this. 

The romance would'e been just fine. If it was ever acknowledged how unhealthy and ridculous it was.

Alas everyone pretends that it's perfect. <_<  

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Fenris: I hate everyone. I was a slave.
Edward: I mope all the time, because I want to suck the blood of the girl I love.
Fenris: I moved too fast for myself and slept with the girl I love, then when I left, she decided to move in my mortal enemy and now they spend all their time playing kissy face. In front of me.
Edward: Oh yeah? Well I had a group of bloodthirsty vampires seeking to destroy me. And the woman I love also loves a werewolf.
Fenris: OH YEAH? WELL MY FORMER MASTER HUNTS MY EVERY FOOTSTEP AND I CAN NEVER TRUST A MAGE.
Edward: OH YEAH? WELL I HAD TO TURN THE GIRL I LOVE INTO A VAMPIRE SO WE COULD GET MARRIED AND I COULD FINALLY HAVE SOME SEX.
Isabela: How about you both shut the **** up?

Oh god. LOL If only I could sig this! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 avril 2011 - 03:07 .

[JesterPsychotica]

@Amondra - I tried doing that by asking my Karl question, and because I am actually curious about people's thoughts.

[SurelyForth]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

So, to all the Anders lovers...

What are your thoughts on Karl?

Personally, I think he's a creeper. I just picture Karl taking advantage of young Anders while he's in the Circle. He sees a vulnerable boy, who is fearful, angry, and confused and takes him under his wing of sorts, but not without something to gain on his end. I think he probably was a "nice" (for lack of a better term here) pedophile- one who went out of his way to gain Ander's trust.

It depends on how old Anders was when they got involved, I guess. Do we know that he was Anders' first first , or just his first relationship with a man? 

If they weren't hooking up when Anders was a teenager, I think he's fine. When he's untranquil, he comes across quite sensitive and thoughtful. I like him. 

[Aynslie]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

So, to all the Anders lovers...

What are your thoughts on Karl?

Personally, I think he's a creeper. I just picture Karl taking advantage of young Anders while he's in the Circle. He sees a vulnerable boy, who is fearful, angry, and confused and takes him under his wing of sorts, but not without something to gain on his end. I think he probably was a "nice" (for lack of a better term here) pedophile- one who went out of his way to gain Ander's trust.

Considering Anders is at least mid 20s in DA2, I don't see how Karl could be a pedophile.

As far as Karl goes though, he seemed like a nice guys and Anders always struck me seeming bi anyway.  (yes even in awakening he just had that feel to him for me).  I know Karl is his first guy he was with, and I would be willing to agree that perhaps Karl pursued Anders, but I do think Anders was an adult capable of making decisions of this magnitude.  It doesn't seem like they were together very long before DA2.  I don't see Karl as a creeper tho.

[Ryzaki]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

So, to all the Anders lovers...

What are your thoughts on Karl?

Personally, I think he's a creeper. I just picture Karl taking advantage of young Anders while he's in the Circle. He sees a vulnerable boy, who is fearful, angry, and confused and takes him under his wing of sorts, but not without something to gain on his end. I think he probably was a "nice" (for lack of a better term here) pedophile- one who went out of his way to gain Ander's trust.

 

I don't think Karl is actually that much older than Anders. He just has a big beard.

I think their relationship was one of friends that had nowhere else to turn to. The two of them trapped in the circle and they took what happiness they could with each other. No more no less. 

And yeah I don't think it was abusive in the least bit. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 avril 2011 - 03:09 .

[leggywillow]

ipgd wrote...
::snippy::

I agree.  I want to have Meredanders' babies even more now.  My maternity armor is polished and my body is ready.

[JesterPsychotica]

From my guess, Karl appears to be at least as old as Mama Hawke.

Edit: 

My guess comes from mostly his shade of grey and wrinkle detailing on his face. Its not at the same level as Gamlen's, but he does have some.

Modifié par JesterPsychotica, 10 avril 2011 - 03:10 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

Zep Rowsdower wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Yesssssss. <3

Oh, Chicken. You are my own personal brand of heroin.

Ma'am, I do believe I'm gonna have to search you.

[Ryzaki]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

From my guess, Karl appears to be at least as old as Mama Hawke.

Hm...I don't see him as that old. He looks to be about give or take 10 years older than Anders. 

[Sarielle]

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

@Payroo and Ryzaki: Dear lord, you actually managed to sit through that much? I gave up after the first page!
It probably didn't help that my creepy ex bought them for me because he thought I needed to learn about real romance.

I know this probably wasn't funny to you, but I'm laughing my head off. I actually watched the first two movies (Rifftrax versions, but still) and all I could thing was "hellooooooo stalker" the whole first movie. Because apparently following you around when you don't know he's there, and watching you sleep (also when you don't know he's there) is romantic.

[Amondra]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

@Amondra - I tried doing that by asking my Karl question, and because I am actually curious about people's thoughts.

I had a hard time guess his age really, I can only play one medium settings so one never knows.

But sense Anders love people for the whole, age might not such a super huge factor for him.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Sarielle wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

@Payroo and Ryzaki: Dear lord, you actually managed to sit through that much? I gave up after the first page!
It probably didn't help that my creepy ex bought them for me because he thought I needed to learn about real romance.

I know this probably wasn't funny to you, but I'm laughing my head off. I actually watched the first two movies (Rifftrax versions, but still) and all I could thing was "hellooooooo stalker" the whole first movie. Because apparently following you around when you don't know he's there, and watching you sleep (also when you don't know he's there) is romantic.

It's romantic when Anders does it....because Anders just does everything better.
But when Edward does it....if I were Bella, having recently learned that information, I would hit him in the balls with a lead pipe.

[mellifera]

Now, now. Anders loves and creeps on everyone. HE'S AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY CREEPER

See, he likes Lady Hawke too. Even if she's a templar, rainbows abound NO MATTER WHAT GUIZE LOLOL