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[Amondra]

It makes sense and in truth, because we didn't as much conversation time as a whole with anyone, the romances can feel a bit more rushed or "Surprise butt sex!" in DA 2 unlike Origins, which if you played the cards right you had a royal flush almost instantly. The year gap doesn't help, because it just skips, even the Codex doesn't give you much, on you and you LI. Also if the companions made more of a note of it...the little things Origins had...

[Ninche]

Wow it's remarkable how you guys hate so many of the things I hate, and love the things I love. I see a pattern here.

Too bad Anders arguments keep me constantly drained of argue-fire or I'd be all over that blog right now.

Housemates were making random chill playlists yesterday and MOby's Porcelain came up and when I heard the lyrics I wanted to cry and laugh at the same time they were so fitting.

In my dreams I'm dying all the time
When I wake its kaleidoscopic mind
I never meant to hurt you
I never meant to lie
So this is goodbye
This is goodbye

[Sable Rhapsody]

Amondra wrote...

It makes sense and in truth, because we didn't as much conversation time as a whole with anyone, the romances can feel a bit more rushed or "Surprise butt sex!" in DA 2 unlike Origins, which if you played the cards right you had a royal flush almost instantly. The year gap doesn't help, because it just skips, even the Codex doesn't give you much, on you and you LI. Also if the companions made more of a note of it...the little things Origins had...

David Gaider actually addressed this in the General discussion, I think.

DA2 actually has as much dialogue as DA:O for the companions, line for line.  The difference is that instead of DA:O where a lot of the conversations could be initiated by the player in camp, and each companion only had one related quest, DA2 stretches the dialogue out across seven years of in-game time, 2-3 companion quests of considerable length, and normal conversations.  It's not about quantity of dialogue so much as how it's presented.

I do think that DA2 has less ROMANCE dialogue, especially since a lot of the companion dialogue is in their quests.

EDIT: As an unrelated side-note, I introduced the words "shameboner" and "frusterbate" to two of my friends' vocabularies today 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 10 avril 2011 - 08:50 .

[Amondra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Amondra wrote...

It makes sense and in truth, because we didn't as much conversation time as a whole with anyone, the romances can feel a bit more rushed or "Surprise butt sex!" in DA 2 unlike Origins, which if you played the cards right you had a royal flush almost instantly. The year gap doesn't help, because it just skips, even the Codex doesn't give you much, on you and you LI. Also if the companions made more of a note of it...the little things Origins had...

David Gaider actually addressed this in the General discussion, I think.

DA2 actually has as much dialogue as DA:O for the companions, line for line.  The difference is that instead of DA:O where a lot of the conversations could be initiated by the player in camp, and each companion only had one related quest, DA2 stretches the dialogue out across seven years of in-game time, 2-3 companion quests of considerable length, and normal conversations.  It's not about quantity of dialogue so much as how it's presented.

I do think that DA2 has less ROMANCE dialogue, especially since a lot of the companion dialogue is in their quests.

Ahh I was poor in my explaining.  I meant for romances.Thus the horrid joke of butt sex and the royal flush...oh the idea of making Alistair turn six shades or red...I might need to bust out Origins again!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Amondra wrote...

Ahh I was poor in my explaining.  I meant for romances.Thus the horrid joke of butt sex and the royal flush...oh the idea of making Alistair turn six shades or red...I might need to bust out Origins again!

LOL.  I can't go back to Origins; the combat is kind of painful.  It's like my attitude toward ME1 and ME2: I thought ME1 had by far the better pacing and more cohesive plot, but gameplay does matter, even in RPGs.  Gameplay is what takes up a majority of my time, and the gameplay in both sequels was just so much better.

I could go for more romance dialogue, definitely, but that's what fanfiction is for   And I think us Anders fans got luckier than most, since he's more plot-important and gets additional dialogue overall.

[Camilladilla]

Ninche wrote...

Wow it's remarkable how you guys hate so many of the things I hate, and love the things I love. I see a pattern here.

Bwahaha, that blog... I now have a new way to waste my time.

Also, yeah, I'd say it takes a certain type of personality/insanity to be a Fanders/Anderstian. A sense of humour being one of them. Second being a love for the glorious rainbow sex.

[Kawamura]

I'd have a hard time going back into Origins, too, but mostly because I can do the fall from Heroic fantasy (ish) into Low, but it's heeeeeeella hard to go back up.

And I like Low better. I kept accidentally making my Surana go into Low fantasy, especially in Awakenings.

[Camilladilla]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

LOL.  I can't go back to Origins; the combat is kind of painful.  It's like my attitude toward ME1 and ME2: I thought ME1 had by far the better pacing and more cohesive plot, but gameplay does matter, even in RPGs.  Gameplay is what takes up a majority of my time, and the gameplay in both sequels was just so much better.

I could go for more romance dialogue, definitely, but that's what fanfiction is for   And I think us Anders fans got luckier than most, since he's more plot-important and gets additional dialogue overall.

Oh I so agree, I have a hard time going back to ME1 or DAO now and there have been so many games in which I just gave up on because the gameplay bored me to death. Plus, I have a preference for DA2's story, for all its flaw and hiccups, I felt DA2's story was more engaging.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kawamura wrote...

I'd have a hard time going back into Origins, too, but mostly because I can do the fall from Heroic fantasy (ish) into Low, but it's heeeeeeella hard to go back up.

Yeah, that too.  Awakening was a rough time for my Amell, but she was a cheerful and sassy little motherf***er who kicked ass, fell in love, saved the world, and looked stylish doing it.  Sure she grew up in the process and had her troubles, but overall, she got her heroic happy ending.

Hawke...yeah.  Let's not get into how DA2 runs her through the dark fantasy gauntlet of suck.  I am so glad I played a more ruthless and determinator Hawke; any less, and the character could easily snap.

[Amondra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Ahh I was poor in my explaining.  I meant for romances.Thus the horrid joke of butt sex and the royal flush...oh the idea of making Alistair turn six shades or red...I might need to bust out Origins again!

LOL.  I can't go back to Origins; the combat is kind of painful.  It's like my attitude toward ME1 and ME2: I thought ME1 had by far the better pacing and more cohesive plot, but gameplay does matter, even in RPGs.  Gameplay is what takes up a majority of my time, and the gameplay in both sequels was just so much better.

I could go for more romance dialogue, definitely, but that's what fanfiction is for   And I think us Anders fans got luckier than most, since he's more plot-important and gets additional dialogue overall.

Yeah the combat change was a blessing!  I can't play Awakenings every time I see Anders and Justice I just sigh and feel dirty for knowing something they don't.  I haven't tried to play DAO since I got DA 2 but I will take your guys word that I will more then likely pull my hair out and cry.

[Kawamura]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I'd have a hard time going back into Origins, too, but mostly because I can do the fall from Heroic fantasy (ish) into Low, but it's heeeeeeella hard to go back up.

Yeah, that too.  Awakening was a rough time for my Amell, but she was a cheerful and sassy little motherf***er who kicked ass, fell in love, saved the world, and looked stylish doing it.  Sure she grew up in the process and had her troubles, but overall, she got her heroic happy ending.

Hawke...yeah.  Let's not get into how DA2 runs her through the dark fantasy gauntlet of suck.  I am so glad I played a more ruthless and determinator Hawke; any less, and the character could easily snap.

See, that wasn't true for my Surana. He's already looking at the world as a place where happy endings aren't possible. Just less awful ones. He's probably going to grow into Irving V2

My Hawke was snarky. Because that's how you deal with bad situations, in my mind. Get funny. Or get crying. Funny folks are often more genre savvy, too. They know they're in a low fantasy, where the greenHawkes or the Anders and Sebastians might forget.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Kawamura wrote...
Funny folks are often more genre savvy, too. They know they're in a low fantasy, where the greenHawkes or the Anders and Sebastians might forget.

My Hawke is probably my most genre savvy protagonist thus far, and boy was that a saving grace.  Genre Blind and Wrong Genre Savvy characters just get the crap kicked out of them left and right in DA2.

I guess the one common thread that my protagonists have is their resilience.  Video game PCs have to be, considering all the crap that happens to them.  Otherwise it makes no sense for them to even be in the game.  They'd crack under the emotional and mental strain.

[brightblueink]

*poofs in out of lurking* I just started a new DA:O playthrough while I've been waiting for the patch. It's not as frustrating as I remembered, but...I'm playing a mage instead of a warrior this time, and I've only just gotten to Lothering. I might get more frustrated once the fighting ramps up or I get stuck in the fade...

I'm already missing the tone-icons and the combat a little, though.

...also to make my first reply to this topic a little more...well, on topic: I do agree that Ander's obsessive love confessions out of nowhere are a bit jarring, but I almost wonder if they were meant to be that way? Anders himself even labels his love for Hawke as an "obsession" that Justice disproves of. I think it might be one of the hints in the game that Anders is actually quite unstable...although maybe I'm putting too much thought into that/giving the writers too much credit.

It *is* sort of a shame the plot jumps around so much. I love the moving through the story in chronological order, but it does feel like we're "missing" some things. I still love DA2's plot overall though.

*poofs back into lurking*

[Amondra]

brightblueink wrote...

*poofs in out of lurking* I just started a new DA:O playthrough while I've been waiting for the patch. It's not as frustrating as I remembered, but...I'm playing a mage instead of a warrior this time, and I've only just gotten to Lothering. I might get more frustrated once the fighting ramps up or I get stuck in the fade...

I'm already missing the tone-icons and the combat a little, though.

...also to make my first reply to this topic a little more...well, on topic: I do agree that Ander's obsessive love confessions out of nowhere are a bit jarring, but I almost wonder if they were meant to be that way? Anders himself even labels his love for Hawke as an "obsession" that Justice disproves of. I think it might be one of the hints in the game that Anders is actually quite unstable...although maybe I'm putting too much thought into that/giving the writers too much credit.

It *is* sort of a shame the plot jumps around so much. I love the moving through the story in chronological order, but it does feel like we're "missing" some things. I still love DA2's plot overall though.

*poofs back into lurking*

I don't think you are thinking to much on it.  Anders does become vary bi-polar as the game goes on.  I didn 't catch the obession line until second play through, and it makes sense for a lot of reasons one being wether you friendmance him or rivalmance him, you are keeping him on what little ground he might have left...you allow him to feel human and alive, and not just be a host of an idea,because of that he doesn't want to loose it, and he wants to hold onto it as long as he can.  I think outside of  the Chanrty thing, he thinks he will loose you because you will tire of picking up the pieces of his breaking mirror. I think I am getting misty eyed now...I need Anders!

Modifié par Amondra, 10 avril 2011 - 09:26 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Amondra wrote...
I think outside of  the Chanrty thing, he thinks he will loose you because you will tire of picking up the pieces of his breaking mirror. I think I am getting misty eyed now...I need Anders!

I can see Anders thinking this.  He says in the convo where you give him the key that he's constantly surprised at how much Hawke is willing to do for him.  He thanks you after the Justice quest for sticking with him when he kept pushing you away.  Hawke might be awesome, but it takes a lot of emotional strength to deal with the inevitable consequences of loving an unstable, deeply troubled man.

[Amondra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Amondra wrote...
I think outside of  the Chanrty thing, he thinks he will loose you because you will tire of picking up the pieces of his breaking mirror. I think I am getting misty eyed now...I need Anders!

I can see Anders thinking this.  He says in the convo where you give him the key that he's constantly surprised at how much Hawke is willing to do for him.  He thanks you after the Justice quest for sticking with him when he kept pushing you away.  Hawke might be awesome, but it takes a lot of emotional strength to deal with the inevitable consequences of loving an unstable, deeply troubled man.

Something my Hawke took on head first.  She took what Flemth said to heart >_>  So when Anders was like "I am a breaking man..."  She was like "Thats okay, we all need to be loved." (I was playing the so good it hurts Hawke)  Then he redecorates the Chantry and my Hawke then went "Oh...Thats what she meant...I thought she was talking about Anders...." (Sadly she pulls Merrills and things go over her head) so she jumps with him into the dark and hope one of them becomes a dragon,

[AndreaDraco]

Payroo...

Thanks for the Dress Up game!

It's awesome!

[shiba5]

Tasmen wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

I hate you ****ing PC gamers.
-broods-

Maybe this will make you feel better?

That was great!

(However, she's a chicken. She's supposed to be broody. har. har.)


Also, the dress up game is wonderful! I gave him a headful of cats so he had his hands free to hold his dynamite.

Modifié par shiba5, 10 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[Threeparts]

Yenaquai wrote...

I think this might be relevant to our interest. It contains Anders. And delicious art:

<snip>

By the awesome and just as crazy kundagi.

That's amazing.

[Dunizel]

payroo wrote...

FFFFFFFFFFF I finally finished the dress up game!

That's awesome, thanks xD
You even added for real the David Bowie outifit... 

Yenaquai wrote...

When the whole romance scene fired up I was a bit ... surprised, to be honest. In Act 1 we have one/two conversations that could lead to potential flirting or proof that they are interested in each other. Sure, you somehow get to know Anders if you take him with you very often, but ... it's not exactly the same.
And then in Act 3 there are all those lines about "aching for you for three years" and "I want you right here, until the day we die" and "I couldn't stand to loose you to the templars" and "It would kill me to loose you".
It just seemed to be out of blue, for me, personally. 

Yes, that's my regret too regarding the relationships. You have just to imagine and fill the gaps. As I said earlier, you don't feel at all that the years are passing, aside some little references. While Anders appears to suddenly love you madly, Fenris has the opposite problem...you didn't talk for three years? That's a bit...odd.
If you don't imagine the gaps, you are left believing that everyone has its own life, and you don't see each other if you don't call them for some mission...every three years. It doesn't make much sense. Sometimes I wonder why we even needed the time gaps and the 10 years story span. But I guess it has something to do with the DA3 too.

It is even my regret talking about Anders fall. I am pretty sure that if we could see what he did in those years, the abuses on mages, the struggles to make them escape and so on...I'm sure many would have understood better. I wanted to imagine, fill the gaps and understand. But not everyone bothers too. So Anders is more or less a creepy guy that jumps on you sudenly, and suddenly goes terrorist. 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

brightblueink wrote...

 I think it might be one of the hints in the game that Anders is actually quite unstable.

I wasn't surprised that Anders has basically snapped.
I mean from the very first time my warden met him, he practically screamed "unstable" to me.

You walk in and he kills a hurlock. All around him are dead bodies (templars (not easy for a mage to take down) + darkspawn).

He doesn't show a great deal of concern about the presence of two armed people, and his first comment is "I didn't do it." (Yeah, convincing. But I don't think he did it... much.)
My reaction: Oh another crazy. Recruit him. NOW.

He reacts to near enough everything with humour, and doesn't show any major signs of anger (in comparison to the other characters. As far as I've seen, anyway. It's been a while), even when mentioning how the Templars had that habit of kicking him in the face to wake him up, and the year of solitary confinement.

He's a little too calm in DA:A, even when he's angry.

Then there's how cheerful he is when discussing the death of Templars...


I don't know, Anders was always somewhat off his rocker, in my opinion.

[shiba5]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

brightblueink wrote...

 I think it might be one of the hints in the game that Anders is actually quite unstable.

I wasn't surprised that Anders has basically snapped.
I mean from the very first time my warden met him, he practically screamed "unstable" to me.

You walk in and he kills a hurlock. All around him are dead bodies (templars (not easy for a mage to take down) + darkspawn).

He doesn't show a great deal of concern about the presence of two armed people, and his first comment is "I didn't do it." (Yeah, convincing. But I don't think he did it... much.)
My reaction: Oh another crazy. Recruit him. NOW.

He reacts to near enough everything with humour, and doesn't show any major signs of anger (in comparison to the other characters. As far as I've seen, anyway. It's been a while), even when mentioning how the Templars had that habit of kicking him in the face to wake him up, and the year of solitary confinement.

He's a little too calm in DA:A, even when he's angry.

Then there's how cheerful he is when discussing the death of Templars...


I don't know, Anders was always somewhat off his rocker, in my opinion.

I always thought he was nuts which is why I liked him so much. I'm sad that it looks like the canon is going to be that he's dead and my crazy mage is gone for good, but it is what it is.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Yenaquai wrote...

I think this might be relevant to our interest. It contains Anders. And delicious art:

<insert-awesomeness-here>

By the awesome and just as crazy kundagi.

Anders medical expertise is simply amazing.